Ukraine v Russia War Thread

[wydileie]

Biden just looked like a buffoon in his press conference.

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In fairness, does he ever not look like a buffoon? We need to adjust our frame of reference. Was he more or less of a buffoon that usual? Did he stammer through sentences and string together words that make no sense?

[lrrps21]

I take back my asking if you are Jake Tapper. I replace it with are you Alex Jones?

One too many hits to the head during dodgeball, huh?

Uh huh. I'm not the one saying "Putin is just taking back what is Russia's." Trying to deflect from your propaganda. It isn't going to work for me, sorry.

Putin already won. It's over, Johnny. China will side with Russia and Biden will back down. Ask Durham to investigate my connection with Russia. Just don't expect anything to come of it or it ending before 2027. 

Doveryai, no proveryai...

[wydileie]

I take back my asking if you are Jake Tapper. I replace it with are you Alex Jones?

One too many hits to the head during dodgeball, huh?

Uh huh. I'm not the one saying "Putin is just taking back what is Russia's." Trying to deflect from your propaganda. It isn't going to work for me, sorry.

Putin already won. It's over, Johnny. China will side with Russia and Biden will back down. Ask Durham to investigate my connection with Russia. Just don't expect anything to come of it or it ending before 2027. 

Doveryai, no proveryai...

I'm not speaking to what is happening, I'm speaking to the propaganda you are spewing. Ukraine voted overwhelmingly to be independent after the fall of the USSR. Their citizenry do not want to be part of Russia. They are in no way "Russia's". Saying they are is pure propaganda. Saying the East and West are split is propaganda. You are literally parroting Putin and Russian media.

[Soupcity Kid]

So, back to sanity.....

On a positive note, at least Trump was all buddy-buddy with Putin, so this didn't happen during his presidency.  Just imagine the level of escalation and risk if it were Trump and Putin, as enemies, in the current situation.

Well of course. Trump was a Russian agent but he was clever about it driving oil prices through the basement and appearing to do massive economic damage to Putin.  Meanwhile Uncle Joe, the man who is now supposed to protect us from Putin has driven oil prices through the roof and is literally funding Putin's military actions.

Ok, Cap'n Strawman.  I didn't say Trump was a Russian agent.  He clearly had some level of uncomfortable infatuation with/admiration for Putin.

My point is that the last thing we need is to mentally unstable, egotistical, narcissistic psychos, both armed with nukes, in the current situation.

Whay are you imagining this?  Trump served his term and it did not happen thus someone's judgement was better than his ego.

[Soupcity Kid]

Not a Trump fan obviously. Never once showed a cowboy streak or any instability regarding military matters. What I saw was he listened to military advisers and was fairly decisive. Was I a bit surprised? Yeah, but he showed me he could be fairly sober and calculating if the issue called for it. We'd be much better off here with Trump than Biden. Actually I don't think we'd be at this place with Trump in the White House.

The odd thing about this post is he was accused and apparently did not trust his military's advisers.  I believe he had2 generals that quit because he did not listen including Mad Dog Mattix and guess what what he quit over Trump was correct.  That was leaving the area where the Kurds were.  Trump mistrusted the military industrial complex.  His actions in Syria was also mocked but proved extremely effective.

Actually Vidman went behind Trump's back and was a whistle blower which was a huge part of the basis for the impeachment of Trump.  Vindman who is so worried about Ukraine is claiming everyone else but him has blood on his hands except he should look in the mirror.

[Soupcity Kid]

Not a Trump fan obviously. Never once showed a cowboy streak or any instability regarding military matters. What I saw was he listened to military advisers and was fairly decisive. Was I a bit surprised? Yeah, but he showed me he could be fairly sober and calculating if the issue called for it. We'd be much better off here with Trump than Biden. Actually I don't think we'd be at this place with Trump in the White House.

 Of course not.  Putin loved that Trump fawned over him.  He saw him as an ally.

Yeah gee fawning over him like a car salesman fans over a client.  Yet Trump didnotbudge an inch or flinch.  Biden appeased Putin and we got this.

I am sure people in Ukraine  right now wished Biden fawned over Putin and not budged. They prolly would prefer a mean tweet right about now

[Soupcity Kid]

If the reports on the ground are accurate, the Ukrainians have dropped arms, lost their naval port, 2 airports, and their leaders are fleeing while asking civilians to take up arms. If these reports are accurate, the Ukrainians should simply sign an agreement with Putin.

Yeah... no. Ukraine has a large military and a lot of supplies. They can hold out for a long time. You've already outed yourself as a Russian plant, so you may as well just leave the board, now.

So how long is a long time??

[3rdgensooner]

Not a Trump fan obviously. Never once showed a cowboy streak or any instability regarding military matters. What I saw was he listened to military advisers and was fairly decisive. Was I a bit surprised? Yeah, but he showed me he could be fairly sober and calculating if the issue called for it. We'd be much better off here with Trump than Biden. Actually I don't think we'd be at this place with Trump in the White House.

The odd thing about this post is he was accused and apparently did not trust his military's advisers.  I believe he had2 generals that quit because he did not listen including Mad Dog Mattix and guess what what he quit over Trump was correct.  That was leaving the area where the Kurds were.  Trump mistrusted the military industrial complex.  His actions in Syria was also mocked but proved extremely effective.

Actually Vidman went behind Trump's back and was a whistle blower which was a huge part of the basis for the impeachment of Trump.  Vindman who is so worried about Ukraine is claiming everyone else but him has blood on his hands except he should look in the mirror.

His actions were not against military advice. Were there some who disagreed ? Sure. Vindeman isn't a soldier. He's a fat effeminate turd in a uniform. But in general he didn't do things that weren't supported in general by his advisers in the military. No way he OKs bombing Russian contractors without substantial military advice and support. Same with taking out the Iranian terrorist and the missile attack on Syria when he enforced Obama's mythical red line. 
There are a lot of liberals like Vindeman in the military we can do without.

[wydileie]

If the reports on the ground are accurate, the Ukrainians have dropped arms, lost their naval port, 2 airports, and their leaders are fleeing while asking civilians to take up arms. If these reports are accurate, the Ukrainians should simply sign an agreement with Putin.

Yeah... no. Ukraine has a large military and a lot of supplies. They can hold out for a long time. You've already outed yourself as a Russian plant, so you may as well just leave the board, now.

So how long is a long time??

As long as they feel like fighting, really.

They have quite a bit more troops than Russia currently has deployed into Ukraine. With their reserves called up, they have ~450K to Russia's ~150-200K, not to mention any civvies that join in. They can match what Russia currently has deployed in tanks and artillery. They are outnumbered quite a bit in air superiority. However, unless Russia is willing to carpet bomb the country, which doesn't seem plausible under the assumption they want to take it over and they would like infrastructure to be mostly intact, then air superiority isn't all that important in this instance.

If Russia decides to push their chips all in, and brings in a lot more troops, tanks, and artillery, it would certainly make Russia's victory inevitable, given no one comes to help Ukraine, but it would still be a long, drawn out engagement if Ukraine wants it to be.

The problem right now is the Ukranian government and military were seemingly surprised by the attack, despite us telling them repeatedly they were going to attack. This left them a little flat footed. Hopefully they can muster some courage and push back. There's no reason Russia should be rolling through the countryside.

[wydileie]

Ukraine has taken back the airport Russia had taken outside Kyiv:

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[3rdgensooner]

If the reports on the ground are accurate, the Ukrainians have dropped arms, lost their naval port, 2 airports, and their leaders are fleeing while asking civilians to take up arms. If these reports are accurate, the Ukrainians should simply sign an agreement with Putin.

Yeah... no. Ukraine has a large military and a lot of supplies. They can hold out for a long time. You've already outed yourself as a Russian plant, so you may as well just leave the board, now.

So how long is a long time??

As long as they feel like fighting, really.

They have quite a bit more troops than Russia currently has deployed into Ukraine. With their reserves called up, they have ~450K to Russia's ~150-200K, not to mention any civvies that join in. They can match what Russia currently has deployed in tanks and artillery. They are outnumbered quite a bit in air superiority. However, unless Russia is willing to carpet bomb the country, which doesn't seem plausible under the assumption they want to take it over and they would like infrastructure to be mostly intact, then air superiority isn't all that important in this instance.

If Russia decides to push their chips all in, and brings in a lot more troops, tanks, and artillery, it would certainly make Russia's victory inevitable, given no one comes to help Ukraine, but it would still be a long, drawn out engagement if Ukraine wants it to be.

The problem right now is the Ukranian government and military were seemingly surprised by the attack, despite us telling them repeatedly they were going to attack. This left them a little flat footed. Hopefully they can muster some courage and push back. There's no reason Russia should be rolling through the countryside.

I'm not military but the notion air superiority isn't all that important is comically false. Ukraine better have a very effective air defense or the Russian Air Force will neutralize Ukraine's tank and artillery. That artillery and tank force will not be able to face off with the Russians if they have no air cover. From what I've read the west has been sending them hand held anti tank and anti aircraft missile systems. That could inflict a lot of pain on the Russians. But armor and artillery will have to hide if Russia rules the skies.

[wydileie]

I'm not military but the notion air superiority isn't all that important is comically false. Ukraine better have a very effective air defense or the Russian Air Force will neutralize Ukraine's tank and artillery. That artillery and tank force will not be able to face off with the Russians if they have no air cover. From what I've read the west has been sending them hand held anti tank and anti aircraft missile systems. That could inflict a lot of pain on the Russians. But armor and artillery will have to hide if Russia rules the skies.

While true, Russia's planes aimed at eliminating ground targets are mostly older Cold War planes, namely the Sukhoi SU-24. Unlike Russian interceptors, which are actually pretty decent, these are pretty substandard planes by any modern measure, and Ukraine supposedly has a decent supply of SAMs and anti aircraft vehicles. The Russian attack helicopters could pose some issue, but even RPGs can be quite effective against them.

[P1tchblack]

Not a Trump fan obviously. Never once showed a cowboy streak or any instability regarding military matters. What I saw was he listened to military advisers and was fairly decisive. Was I a bit surprised? Yeah, but he showed me he could be fairly sober and calculating if the issue called for it. We'd be much better off here with Trump than Biden. Actually I don't think we'd be at this place with Trump in the White House.

 Of course not.  Putin loved that Trump fawned over him.  He saw him as an ally.

Yeah gee fawning over him like a car salesman fans over a client.  Yet Trump didnotbudge an inch or flinch.  Biden appeased Putin and we got this.

I am sure people in Ukraine  right now wished Biden fawned over Putin and not budged. They prolly would prefer a mean tweet right about now

Trump didn't budge an inch in the face of what?

[ChinaBuck]

All of you are focused on the wrong thing at this globally critical moment. Fortunately, we have one true visionary who understands the bigger picture and is speaking to the most essential truth we all need to hear. Thank God we have John Kerry bravely stepping forward and getting to the true needs for the future. 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-kerry...e-invasion

[Dzone1]

Not a Trump fan obviously. Never once showed a cowboy streak or any instability regarding military matters. What I saw was he listened to military advisers and was fairly decisive. Was I a bit surprised? Yeah, but he showed me he could be fairly sober and calculating if the issue called for it. We'd be much better off here with Trump than Biden. Actually I don't think we'd be at this place with Trump in the White House.

 Of course not.  Putin loved that Trump fawned over him.  He saw him as an ally.

Yeah gee fawning over him like a car salesman fans over a client.  Yet Trump didnotbudge an inch or flinch.  Biden appeased Putin and we got this.

I am sure people in Ukraine  right now wished Biden fawned over Putin and not budged. They prolly would prefer a mean tweet right about now

Yep, completely disgusting, just like every liberal in our country.