Ukraine v Russia War Thread

[ScarletHayes]

Well his idiocy on domestic energy kind of now works to his advantage.  He has leverage now by merely threatening to turn on the spigots of American energy.

[Hightop77]

So, back to sanity.....

On a positive note, at least Trump was all buddy-buddy with Putin, so this didn't happen during his presidency.  Just imagine the level of escalation and risk if it were Trump and Putin, as enemies, in the current situation.

Well of course. Trump was a Russian agent but he was clever about it driving oil prices through the basement and appearing to do massive economic damage to Putin.  Meanwhile Uncle Joe, the man who is now supposed to protect us from Putin has driven oil prices through the roof and is literally funding Putin's military actions.

[Alabuckeye]

So, back to sanity.....

On a positive note, at least Trump was all buddy-buddy with Putin, so this didn't happen during his presidency.  Just imagine the level of escalation and risk if it were Trump and Putin, as enemies, in the current situation.

For whatever he was….Trump showed absolutely no willingness to be risky with our armed forces. I think his comments on Clay and Buck were his usual “self serving, bloviated nonsense, with a lack of self awareness of where we are at”, but I donâ€t see him as being a bull in a China shop, ala Graham and to a sense, Biden

[Syncro]

Current thoughts on Ukraine;

1. I dont want to be world police, but this is different. This is a 1st world country attacking another because it can. Its Germany/Poland all over. Dangerous to not respond.

2. I hope the Ukrainians stand and fight. They cant collapse in a day.

3. Ill be pissed if we send billions in weapons over there and they just lay down thier arms and the Russians swoop in in take them. Its like arming our enemies.

4. Like Ala said, Mitt was right. We can never forget that Russia and China are 1 guy away from WW3.

5. We need to understand that autocratic regimes dont play by the rules that democracies do. We sometimes forget that to our own detriment.

6. This is a big moment for Biden. If he shows strength and resolve, it will massively help him. And the media will of course trumpet his success. But this is a real opportunity for him to reverse the Afghan debacle.

1. If we do anything more than send a vast array of weaponry and supplies we will be getting ourselves into a shooting war...over what? If Europe had any balls they'd be doing this to keep Putin off their doorstep.

2. The Ukrainians are a tough bunch, and no doubt they'll have plenty of guys lined up for some type of guerilla warfare, but they don't stand a chance.

3. We've probably already sent a billion dollars worth of ass over there...let's hope they know how to use it.

4. Of course Mitt was right. So was Trump...but what do either of those things matter at this point? The horse has left the barn.

5. Totally agree. War is not won by playing by the rules. The American people as a whole have been totally pussified.

6. Does anyone really expect Biden to find a way to spin this into some kind of win? That stuttering, mumbling prick is most likely going to embarrass us all once they finally get him shot up with whatever steroids and vitamins he needs to get in front of a microphone. Where is the powerful photo of him meeting with his advisors and generals in the War Room this morning? That stupid ***** is probably still waiting for his diaper to be changed.

[P1tchblack]

So, back to sanity.....

On a positive note, at least Trump was all buddy-buddy with Putin, so this didn't happen during his presidency.  Just imagine the level of escalation and risk if it were Trump and Putin, as enemies, in the current situation.

Well of course. Trump was a Russian agent but he was clever about it driving oil prices through the basement and appearing to do massive economic damage to Putin.  Meanwhile Uncle Joe, the man who is now supposed to protect us from Putin has driven oil prices through the roof and is literally funding Putin's military actions.

Ok, Cap'n Strawman.  I didn't say Trump was a Russian agent.  He clearly had some level of uncomfortable infatuation with/admiration for Putin.

My point is that the last thing we need is to mentally unstable, egotistical, narcissistic psychos, both armed with nukes, in the current situation.

[Hightop77]

Current thoughts on Ukraine;

1.  I dont want to be world police, but this is different.  This is a 1st world country attacking another because it can.  Its Germany/Poland all over.  Dangerous to not respond.

2.  I hope the Ukrainians stand and fight.  They cant collapse in a day. 

3.  Ill be pissed if we send billions in weapons over there and they just lay down thier arms and the Russians swoop in in take them.  Its like arming our enemies.

4.  Like Ala said, Mitt was right.  We can never forget that Russia and China are 1 guy away from WW3. 

5.  We need to understand that autocratic regimes dont play by the rules that democracies do.  We sometimes forget that to our own detriment. 

6.  This is a big moment for Biden.  If he shows strength and resolve, it will massively help him.  And the media will of course trumpet his success.  But this is a real opportunity for him to reverse the Afghan debacle.

6. Does anyone really expect Biden to find a way to spin this into some kind of win?  That stuttering, mumbling prick is most likely going to embarrass us all once they finally get him shot up with whatever steroids and vitamins he needs to get in front of a microphone.  Where is the powerful photo of him meeting with his advisors and generals in the War Room this morning?  That stupid ***** is probably still waiting for his diaper to be changed.

The media focus is on Trump.  The spin is to blame him for this while Biden is doing the best he can to fix something he inherited from the Russian spy.  Just like the invasion on our Southern border.  That is actually Trump's fault too.

[Hightop77]

So, back to sanity.....

On a positive note, at least Trump was all buddy-buddy with Putin, so this didn't happen during his presidency.  Just imagine the level of escalation and risk if it were Trump and Putin, as enemies, in the current situation.

Well of course. Trump was a Russian agent but he was clever about it driving oil prices through the basement and appearing to do massive economic damage to Putin.  Meanwhile Uncle Joe, the man who is now supposed to protect us from Putin has driven oil prices through the roof and is literally funding Putin's military actions.

Ok, Cap'n Strawman.  I didn't say Trump was a Russian agent.  He clearly had some level of uncomfortable infatuation with/admiration for Putin.

My point is that the last thing we need is to mentally unstable, egotistical, narcissistic psychos, both armed with nukes, in the current situation.

Media keeps recycling nonsensical narratives and you gobble them up.  They said the same thing about Ronald Reagan and how he was a cowboy who would start a nuclear war with the Soviets.  People like Putin are only restrained by strength which both Reagan and Trump represent.  Biden, Clinton and Jimmy Carter, not so much.

[3rdgensooner]

Not a Trump fan obviously. Never once showed a cowboy streak or any instability regarding military matters. What I saw was he listened to military advisers and was fairly decisive. Was I a bit surprised? Yeah, but he showed me he could be fairly sober and calculating if the issue called for it. We'd be much better off here with Trump than Biden. Actually I don't think we'd be at this place with Trump in the White House.

[Conanthelibrarian]

So, back to sanity.....

On a positive note, at least Trump was all buddy-buddy with Putin, so this didn't happen during his presidency.  Just imagine the level of escalation and risk if it were Trump and Putin, as enemies, in the current situation.

For whatever he was….Trump showed absolutely no willingness to be risky with our armed forces. I think his comments on Clay and Buck were his usual “self serving, bloviated nonsense, with a lack of self awareness of where we are at”, but I donâ€t see him as being a bull in a China shop, ala Graham and to a sense, Biden

I agree.  I just think its a terrible look to tip your cap to a man who just invaded another country and is killing civilians.

[Conanthelibrarian]

Not a Trump fan obviously. Never once showed a cowboy streak or any instability regarding military matters. What I saw was he listened to military advisers and was fairly decisive. Was I a bit surprised? Yeah, but he showed me he could be fairly sober and calculating if the issue called for it. We'd be much better off here with Trump than Biden. Actually I don't think we'd be at this place with Trump in the White House.

I agree.  I liked Trumps diplomacy for the  most part.  Thought it might be a weakness, but he did really well in this area.

[UNCLife]

I dont believe Trump is a Russian agent.  At all.

But giving a tip of the cap to an illegal invasion of another country and saying we should do the same thing on our border is not a good thing IMO.

That isn't what he did. That is just how Trump talks and describes things.  And yes, he was once again mocking our border fiasco created by Biden.  You are falling for spin.

Spin?  I listed a direct quote from a conversation he had with a conservative talk guy.  

How did you take his quote?  What do you think he meant by it?

I listened to it also.  It is no different than when Trump would always say we gave China a sweetheart deal with trade.  He said I did not blame (China's leader) he was making deals for his country and he blamed how we gave the sweetheart deals and why China loved that deal.  These were the deal from Clinton and Bush he referred to.

He did the same thing with Putin said from the Russian standpoint (not ours) it was genius.  Putin put together a plan and will execute it to get their needs.  Trump made it clear that would have never happened under his watch.  He also added Putin talked about this when Trump was potus and Trump told him you don't want to make the move while I am potus I can't let you do that.  That is the full story and the same interview.

CNN of course spun it different.

[Dzone1]

So, back to sanity.....

On a positive note, at least Trump was all buddy-buddy with Putin, so this didn't happen during his presidency.  Just imagine the level of escalation and risk if it were Trump and Putin, as enemies, in the current situation.

You were doing fine in this thread… until this stupidity.

[P1tchblack]

Not a Trump fan obviously. Never once showed a cowboy streak or any instability regarding military matters. What I saw was he listened to military advisers and was fairly decisive. Was I a bit surprised? Yeah, but he showed me he could be fairly sober and calculating if the issue called for it. We'd be much better off here with Trump than Biden. Actually I don't think we'd be at this place with Trump in the White House.

 Of course not.  Putin loved that Trump fawned over him.  He saw him as an ally.

[3rdgensooner]

Not a Trump fan obviously. Never once showed a cowboy streak or any instability regarding military matters. What I saw was he listened to military advisers and was fairly decisive. Was I a bit surprised? Yeah, but he showed me he could be fairly sober and calculating if the issue called for it. We'd be much better off here with Trump than Biden. Actually I don't think we'd be at this place with Trump in the White House.

 Of course not.  Putin loved that Trump fawned over him.  He saw him as an ally.

Actually Putin isn't as stupid as liberals. He viewed the liberals as allies. The useful idiots who did his bidding. He knew the Trump likes Putin and Russia bit was a joke. He encouraged it because it destabilized US politics and that is how liberals and morons like you acted as his useful idiots. 
Obama had red lines. Biden had, well Biden isn't sure what he has. Trump just killed the Russians or Iranians that crossed the lines. He knew that.
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[3rdgensooner]

Putin as much as threatened nuclear war if interfered with while invading the Ukraine. At this point sanctions aren't enough. Russia has to be made a pariah state like Iran or North Korea. Cut off from virtually any meaningful interaction with the developed world.