Ukraine v Russia War Thread

[Dzone1]

Gonna be a bloodbath over there soon.

[wydileie]

They should just accept Ukraine's long standing request to join NATO, and call Putin's bluff. Putin knows there is no hope for victory against NATO forces, so his only choice is to back down. The only exception is if he has some terminal cancer, or something, and just has a death wish, which would seem like a very Putin thing to do.

[davebucknut]

They should just accept Ukraine's long standing request to join NATO, and call Putin's bluff. Putin knows there is no hope for victory against NATO forces, so his only choice is to back down. The only exception is if he has some terminal cancer, or something, and just has a death wish, which would seem like a very Putin thing to do.

That would be the death throws of a dictator.

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Sanders: US should 'put ourselves ... in Russia's position' because it 'might have legitimate concerns'

Bernie Sanders and Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin argued over how to best handle Vladimir Putin

Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., urged his colleagues to see the Russia-Ukraine situation from the side of the Kremlin, noting that just as the U.S. seeks to protect its interests in the West, Russia may only be looking to do the same in its part of the world.

On the Senate floor Thursday afternoon, Sanders and Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., argued over how the U.S. should deal with the current state of affairs. Sanders said that to reach a diplomatic solution, the U.S. would best be served by understanding where Vladimir Putin is coming from.


"I only ask my friend from Illinois to put himself into the mindset of Russians," Sanders said.

The Vermont senator recalled that, under the Monroe Doctrine, the U.S. has overthrown Latin American and Caribbean governments "to protect our so-called interests." He asked that if the U.S. has a right to do this, "there would be an uproar in this chamber perhaps from you and me as well if Mexico, an independent nation, decided to form a military alliance with China or Russia."

Earlier, Sanders acknowledged that it may not be popular to consider an adversary's perspectives, but he asserted that it was important for reaching a diplomatic solution.

Elaborating on this, Sanders said that the notion of Ukraine having a relationship with the U.S. and the perceived possibility of Ukraine joining NATO could be threatening to Russia.

"Vladimir Putin may be a liar and a demagogue, but it is hypocritical for the United States to insist that we as a nation do not accept the principle of spheres of influence." Sanders argued.

Durbin objected to this, arguing that past U.S. actions do not provide a reason to let Putin do whatever he wants.


"I donâ€t understand this theory of yours that somehow Vladimir Putin is entitled to a sphere of influence or control," Durbin said. "That, to me, is unacceptable and inconsistent with the notion of Ukrainian sovereignty.

"There is a way that he can find a more peaceful situation in the world," Durbin continued, "and itâ€s if heâ€ll stop being a thug and stop sending his troops to borders of countries

Sanders doubled down on his argument that Americans should see things through Russia's eyes, going so far as to give validation to some of Putin's possible concerns.

"Should we not put ourselves a little bit in Russiaâ€s position in understanding that if we consider Latin America, Central America, the Caribbean within our sphere of influence – the right to intervene – that Russia itself might have some legitimate concerns about military forces five miles from their border?" Sanders asked.

The self-described democratic socialist had earlier urged his colleagues and the Biden administration to avoid any kind of conflict, stating that not only would war have its obvious costs, but that sanctions could have unintended negative impacts in the U.S. and around the world.



Durbin said he shares Sanders' feeling about not wanting war but insisted that Putin's "strong-arm tactics" require an American response.

"I'm afraid that simply sending a harsh letter is not enough anymore," Durbin said.

[Soupcity Kid]

I am so jaded by our govt I still have my eye on China not Russia.  I just wonder if Putin and Biden are in cahoots together forthis great distraction while China makes some move on us that goes under the radar.  I would not be shocked if they say look Vlad create a diversion for me and I will assure your unfettered pipeline and we agree to buy oil from them.

[davebucknut]

I am so jaded by our govt I still have my eye on China not Russia.  I just wonder if Putin and Biden are in cahoots together forthis great distraction while China makes some move on us that goes under the radar.  I would not be shocked if they say look Vlad create a diversion for me and I will assure your unfettered pipeline and we agree to buy oil from them.

I doubt Biden is in cahoots with anyone, maybe hunter but thats only to buy crack and Asian hookers.

I think that Xi and Putting are in cahoots though

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[Alabuckeye]

White House tone has shifted dramatically. They are now saying Americans need to leave immediately and there will be no expectations of being able to rescue them.

[davebucknut]

White House tone has shifted dramatically. They are now saying Americans need to leave immediately and there will be no expectations of being able to rescue them.

Funny you could say that people should have no expectations of being rescued from the govt for any other reason either. They're inept and corrupt to the core and incapable of doing anything right.

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[Alabuckeye]

White House tone has shifted dramatically. They are now saying Americans need to leave immediately and there will be no expectations of being able to rescue them.

Funny you could say that people should have no expectations of being rescued from the govt for any other reason either. They're inept and corrupt to the core and incapable of doing anything right.

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Well sure. The Biden admin already set the standard for expectations last august

[davebucknut]

White House tone has shifted dramatically. They are now saying Americans need to leave immediately and there will be no expectations of being able to rescue them.

Funny you could say that people should have no expectations of being rescued from the govt for any other reason either. They're inept and corrupt to the core and incapable of doing anything right.

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Well sure. The Biden admin already set the standard for expectations last august

Not just militarily though, remember it was Reagan who said that the scariest words in America are, "I'm from the govt and I'm here to help".

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[Syncro]

US and Israel giving 48 hours to get our people the f*ck out of Kyiv.

Sh*t is about to go down. Just give Putin Sevastopol and get to the end of this thing. All he wants is the deep water port anyways

[ScarletHayes]

Been a while since I been in this thread.  And Iâ€m pretty sure this has already been mentioned, but I just canâ€t get past the false flag stuff.  Not to mention the claim of knowing when the invasion was going to take place.  Our govt has devolved to Alex Jones level claims in advance of anything actually happening.  Pardon the pun, but why are they attempting to plant this flag in our brains?  

Donâ€t get me wrong, I wouldnâ€t put this stuff past Putin at all.  But under normal circumstances false flag claims are often mocked and ridiculed as theater of the absurd.  A set date for an invasion?  Who does that?  Etc... 

[Alabuckeye]

Been a while since I been in this thread.  And Iâ€m pretty sure this has already been mentioned, but I just canâ€t get past the false flag stuff.  Not to mention the claim of knowing when the invasion was going to take place.  Our govt has devolved to Alex Jones level claims in advance of anything actually happening.  Pardon the pun, but why are they attempting to plant this flag in our brains?  

Donâ€t get me wrong, I wouldnâ€t put this stuff past Putin at all.  But under normal circumstances false flag claims are often mocked and ridiculed as theater of the absurd.  A set date for an invasion?  Who does that?  Etc... 

the AP reporter was openly mocking the state department press secretary over this. “You put forward a rumor and you want us to accept it as fact?”

[ScarletHayes]

Been a while since I been in this thread.  And Iâ€m pretty sure this has already been mentioned, but I just canâ€t get past the false flag stuff.  Not to mention the claim of knowing when the invasion was going to take place.  Our govt has devolved to Alex Jones level claims in advance of anything actually happening.  Pardon the pun, but why are they attempting to plant this flag in our brains?  

Donâ€t get me wrong, I wouldnâ€t put this stuff past Putin at all.  But under normal circumstances false flag claims are often mocked and ridiculed as theater of the absurd.  A set date for an invasion?  Who does that?  Etc... 

the AP reporter was openly mocking the state department press secretary over this. “You put forward a rumor and you want us to accept it as fact?”

Something is clearly going on.  I mean you give a blessing to the big pipeline deal, but yet you try to whip up anti Russia sentiment via Ukraine.  2+2 = penguin

[Bonebuck]

Russia now has 175K troops along the border. Schitt is going to hit the fan soon. Biden is such a phuckup.