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Maybe I won't scratch Australia off my bucket list after all. Looking like the Aussies have had it with Covid and are going to "let Covid rip."
The country had surpassed ambitious vaccine targets, meaning its rolling lockdowns could cease, both internal and international borders would reopen, and as Prime Minister Scott Morrison declared, it was now possible to “live with this virus.â€
But as Australia moved to change course on its pandemic strategy, the highly transmissible omicron variant hit. In just over a month, cases have risen from around 1,000 a day to more than 100,000 a day. Hallmarks of the pandemic that Australia mostly avoided began to emerge. The health system is buckling. Many supermarket shelves are bare as sick workers stay home....
...Around 77 percent of the overall population has received two doses of the vaccine, compared with around 62 percent in the United States.
And the Australian government often trumpets another number — around 92 percent of the over-16 population has received two vaccine doses.
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-...-rcna11509
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(01-16-2022, 03:10 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: a couple reasons I only drop by every now and then for this Covid discussion stuff is 1. I have very limited-to-zero knowledge of the science of it. I was a Math guy, not a Biology guy. 2. The ambiguous nature of some of the discussions absolutely slays me. f.e. a hypothetical for dummies: Person A: Fauci was caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Person B: No he wasn't. PA: But the jar says COOKIE right on it. PB: that's clearly not a cookie jar, anyone with cookie eating knowledge and experience would know that. PA: there are cookie crumbs all over his face. PB: Define cookie for me. Clearly anyone can see that Fauci didn't take any cookies from a cookie jar. PA: Did he take brownies from a cookie jar? PB: Brownies don't go in a cookie jar. PA: so you're admitting it's a cookie jar? PB: what are you nuts, NO! That's clearly not a cookie jar. Anyone can see that.  etc, etc, etc, etc, etc... Â
I understand, at this point most have made up their minds and right or wrong, there's not much that can change them. Even most of us that are strong supporters of Vaccinations on this site are not for mandatory vaccination or masking requirements. I just don't give outright lies and ignorance a pass, decisions on what's best for all of us deserve the facts at least.
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(01-16-2022, 03:47 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Maybe I won't scratch Australia off my bucket list after all. Looking like the Aussies have had it with Covid and are going to "let Covid rip."
The country had surpassed ambitious vaccine targets, meaning its rolling lockdowns could cease, both internal and international borders would reopen, and as Prime Minister Scott Morrison declared, it was now possible to “live with this virus.â€
But as Australia moved to change course on its pandemic strategy, the highly transmissible omicron variant hit. In just over a month, cases have risen from around 1,000 a day to more than 100,000 a day. Hallmarks of the pandemic that Australia mostly avoided began to emerge. The health system is buckling. Many supermarket shelves are bare as sick workers stay home....
...Around 77 percent of the overall population has received two doses of the vaccine, compared with around 62 percent in the United States.
And the Australian government often trumpets another number — around 92 percent of the over-16 population has received two vaccine doses.
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-...-rcna11509 At some point China will have to follow suit as well, you can't keep things locked down to that level forever. Perhaps China gets lucky and a more complete vaccine is developed and they miss most of the fun but I doubt it, they are just delaying life.
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(01-16-2022, 04:03 PM)Sanitarian2 Wrote: (01-16-2022, 03:10 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: a couple reasons I only drop by every now and then for this Covid discussion stuff is 1. I have very limited-to-zero knowledge of the science of it. I was a Math guy, not a Biology guy. 2. The ambiguous nature of some of the discussions absolutely slays me. f.e. a hypothetical for dummies: Person A: Fauci was caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Person B: No he wasn't. PA: But the jar says COOKIE right on it. PB: that's clearly not a cookie jar, anyone with cookie eating knowledge and experience would know that. PA: there are cookie crumbs all over his face. PB: Define cookie for me. Clearly anyone can see that Fauci didn't take any cookies from a cookie jar. PA: Did he take brownies from a cookie jar? PB: Brownies don't go in a cookie jar. PA: so you're admitting it's a cookie jar? PB: what are you nuts, NO! That's clearly not a cookie jar. Anyone can see that.  etc, etc, etc, etc, etc... Â
I understand, at this point most have made up their minds and right or wrong, there's not much that can change them. Even most of us that are strong supporters of Vaccinations on this site are not for mandatory vaccination or masking requirements. I just don't give outright lies and ignorance a pass, decisions on what's best for all of us deserve the facts at least.
All I†m remarking on is how a lot of the discussions appear to me.  I†m not making a case against the vaccine.
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(01-16-2022, 02:26 PM)Sanitarian2 Wrote: Unless I read the story incorrectly, it appears that he had Covid though most likely he would have never suffered any bad outcomes, it's better to be safe I suppose.
Nobody is saying he didn't have Covid and I'm not arguing this is due to the "vaccine". I'm no doctor, just a guy who has followed soccer for 30 years and has never seen the concentration of the same issues in the sport ever.
I'll let the Bayern speak for themselves:
"With Phonzy, when we did our follow-up examination yesterday that we do with ever player that has had COVID-19, we detected signs of mild myocarditis, i.e. an inflammation of the heart muscle," Bayern manager Julian Nagelsman said in a news conference. "He'll sit out training until further notice. He won't be available, also in the coming weeks. The ultrasound shows this myocarditis isn't so dramatic but it's a sign of myocarditis."
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(01-16-2022, 04:05 PM)Sanitarian2 Wrote: (01-16-2022, 03:47 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Maybe I won't scratch Australia off my bucket list after all. Looking like the Aussies have had it with Covid and are going to "let Covid rip."
The country had surpassed ambitious vaccine targets, meaning its rolling lockdowns could cease, both internal and international borders would reopen, and as Prime Minister Scott Morrison declared, it was now possible to “live with this virus.â€
But as Australia moved to change course on its pandemic strategy, the highly transmissible omicron variant hit. In just over a month, cases have risen from around 1,000 a day to more than 100,000 a day. Hallmarks of the pandemic that Australia mostly avoided began to emerge. The health system is buckling. Many supermarket shelves are bare as sick workers stay home....
...Around 77 percent of the overall population has received two doses of the vaccine, compared with around 62 percent in the United States.
And the Australian government often trumpets another number — around 92 percent of the over-16 population has received two vaccine doses.
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-...-rcna11509 At some point China will have to follow suit as well, you can't keep things locked down to that level forever. Perhaps China gets lucky and a more complete vaccine is developed and they miss most of the fun but I doubt it, they are just delaying life. Some believe China will change it's tactics after the Olympics, I doubt it. I think at a minimum they keep it in place though the end of April when there is a big People's Congress Meeting at the end of April. Even then I suspect they won't go full "living with it", just will lighten the lockdown a bit.
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(01-16-2022, 11:49 PM)Syncro Wrote: (01-16-2022, 02:26 PM)Sanitarian2 Wrote: Unless I read the story incorrectly, it appears that he had Covid though most likely he would have never suffered any bad outcomes, it's better to be safe I suppose.
Nobody is saying he didn't have Covid and I'm not arguing this is due to the "vaccine". I'm no doctor, just a guy who has followed soccer for 30 years and has never seen the concentration of the same issues in the sport ever.
I'll let the Bayern speak for themselves:
"With Phonzy, when we did our follow-up examination yesterday that we do with ever player that has had COVID-19, we detected signs of mild myocarditis, i.e. an inflammation of the heart muscle," Bayern manager Julian Nagelsman said in a news conference. "He'll sit out training until further notice. He won't be available, also in the coming weeks. The ultrasound shows this myocarditis isn't so dramatic but it's a sign of myocarditis." Perfectly normal
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(01-16-2022, 04:08 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: (01-16-2022, 04:03 PM)Sanitarian2 Wrote: (01-16-2022, 03:10 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: a couple reasons I only drop by every now and then for this Covid discussion stuff is 1. I have very limited-to-zero knowledge of the science of it. I was a Math guy, not a Biology guy. 2. The ambiguous nature of some of the discussions absolutely slays me. f.e. a hypothetical for dummies: Person A: Fauci was caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Person B: No he wasn't. PA: But the jar says COOKIE right on it. PB: that's clearly not a cookie jar, anyone with cookie eating knowledge and experience would know that. PA: there are cookie crumbs all over his face. PB: Define cookie for me. Clearly anyone can see that Fauci didn't take any cookies from a cookie jar. PA: Did he take brownies from a cookie jar? PB: Brownies don't go in a cookie jar. PA: so you're admitting it's a cookie jar? PB: what are you nuts, NO! That's clearly not a cookie jar. Anyone can see that.  etc, etc, etc, etc, etc... Â
I understand, at this point most have made up their minds and right or wrong, there's not much that can change them. Even most of us that are strong supporters of Vaccinations on this site are not for mandatory vaccination or masking requirements. I just don't give outright lies and ignorance a pass, decisions on what's best for all of us deserve the facts at least.
All Iâ€m remarking on is how a lot of the discussions appear to me.  Iâ€m not making a case against the vaccine. I understand and you are right, that's how the discussions are right now. I missed them early on, wasn't a member when all the hate between various parties led to the "Vaxtard" comments and attacks on the Doctor started.
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(01-17-2022, 12:31 AM)davebucknut Wrote: (01-16-2022, 11:49 PM)Syncro Wrote: (01-16-2022, 02:26 PM)Sanitarian2 Wrote: Unless I read the story incorrectly, it appears that he had Covid though most likely he would have never suffered any bad outcomes, it's better to be safe I suppose.
Nobody is saying he didn't have Covid and I'm not arguing this is due to the "vaccine". I'm no doctor, just a guy who has followed soccer for 30 years and has never seen the concentration of the same issues in the sport ever.
I'll let the Bayern speak for themselves:
"With Phonzy, when we did our follow-up examination yesterday that we do with ever player that has had COVID-19, we detected signs of mild myocarditis, i.e. an inflammation of the heart muscle," Bayern manager Julian Nagelsman said in a news conference. "He'll sit out training until further notice. He won't be available, also in the coming weeks. The ultrasound shows this myocarditis isn't so dramatic but it's a sign of myocarditis." Perfectly normal
Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Yeah it is, I've been there myself after a viral infection though not being a soccer player I didn't have to change my lifestyle or miss work. I never thought Phonzy would jump the shark though.
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(01-17-2022, 07:52 AM)Sanitarian2 Wrote: Yeah it is
The fact that you have to make Fonzy jokes to avoid the serious nature of what is happening shows you don't have much interest in actually addressing the serious nature of what seems to be going on.
Totally normal:
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(01-17-2022, 08:10 AM)Syncro Wrote: (01-17-2022, 07:52 AM)Sanitarian2 Wrote: Yeah it is
The fact that you have to make Fonzy jokes to avoid the serious nature of what is happening shows you don't have much interest in actually addressing the serious nature of what seems to be going on.
Totally normal:
In this topic Sani is a jerk.
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(01-17-2022, 08:10 AM)Syncro Wrote: (01-17-2022, 07:52 AM)Sanitarian2 Wrote: Yeah it is
The fact that you have to make Fonzy jokes to avoid the serious nature of what is happening shows you don't have much interest in actually addressing the serious nature of what seems to be going on.
Totally normal:
Totally normal? No. Your heart shouldn't just stop beating. Common? Yes. :
“After Christian has been through different heart examinations, it has been decided that he should have an ICD (heart starter). this device is necessary after a cardiac attack due to rhythm disturbances,†Boesen said in a statement.
One Euro player who knows Eriksen well and can identify with what he is going through is Daley Blind, a Netherlands player and former Ajax teammate of Eriksenâ€s. He received a pacemaker after heart inflammation caused a dizzy spell during a Champions League game in 2019. It failed during a game last August and he collapsed again in what was determined to have been a one-off occurrence. Blind considered not playing in the Netherlands†Euro opener the day after Eriksenâ€s collapse and was emotional as he left the pitch.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/20...t-starter/
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There are no increases in sports figures collapsing being detected anywhere in the world right now including in soccer. IF such a thing were occurring the most likely cause would be COVID 19 which is known to cause a fairly significant number of myocarditis cases.
BTW no it isn't common. But even if uncommon it does occur. I've seen numbers estimating between 1 in 40,000 to 1 in 200,000 young athletes collapsing dying in competition annually. Some quacky people are saying the numbers are way up but that isn't being reported by any responsible parties. IF it's occurring no solid numbers are available yet to determine by how much.
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(01-17-2022, 08:16 AM)davebucknut Wrote: (01-17-2022, 08:10 AM)Syncro Wrote: (01-17-2022, 07:52 AM)Sanitarian2 Wrote: Yeah it is
The fact that you have to make Fonzy jokes to avoid the serious nature of what is happening shows you don't have much interest in actually addressing the serious nature of what seems to be going on.
Totally normal:
In this topic Sani is a jerk.
Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Why, it's not really rare, with a couple hundred thousands KNOWN cases per year and also known to happen with viral infections, including SARS-CoV-2. I've had an enlarged heart caused by myocarditis from a viral infection myself with no treatment needed. With a Covid infection you are 16 times more likely to develop the condition than a non-infected person and the cases are generally mild.
This pooled analysis of the available data shows several important findings. First, myocarditis related to COVID-19 vaccines mostly occurs in young male individuals following the second dose of the vaccine. Second, myocarditis related to COVID vaccines mostly occurs with mRNA vaccines (ie, Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines). Third, in all the reported cases of myocarditis related to COVID-19 vaccine, clinical symptoms resolved within 6 days with preservation of the cardiac function. Third, no complications were reported in any of these patients. This analysis shows that myocarditis related to COVID-19 vaccine has an overall fast recovery with no short-term complications.
COVID-19 Vaccine and Myocarditis (nih.gov)
I'm curious how this works because I have seen studies that claim Ivermectin and HCQ are effective against Covid. Â
Doctor loses license, must have psych evaluation for COVID falsehoods, board says
A doctor with decades of experience can†t practice medicine after her license was temporarily suspended over complaints that she shared coronavirus misinformation, according to a Maine licensing board. The board has ordered her to undergo a neuropsychological evaluation, it said. Dr. Meryl J. Nass, who got a license to practice medicine in Maine in 1997, had her license “immediately†suspended for 30 days after a board investigation and review of complaints against her on Jan. 12, according to a suspension order from the Maine Board of Licensure in Medicine.
Nass, who†s an internist in Ellsworth, must “submit†to an evaluation by a “Board-selected psychologist†on Feb. 1, the board†s evaluation order issued Jan. 11 said. “I have no comment about submitting to a neuropsych exam, except that the board ordered me to do so on shaky grounds,†Nass told McClatchy News, adding that she†s had her license for a total of 41 years.Â
 “The information received by the Board demonstrates that Dr. Nass is or may be unable to practice medicine with reasonable skill and safety to her patients by reason of mental illness, alcohol intemperance, excessive use of drugs, narcotics, or as a result of a mental or physical condition interfering with the competent practice of medicine,†the evaluation order states. The complaints against Nass include how the board was told she engaged in “public dissemination of ‘misinformation††about COVID-19 and vaccinations “via a video interview and on her website,†the board said about the October 26, 2021 complaint. It lists several comments Nass made that were subject to the board†s investigation. Roughly 10 days later, the board got another complaint about Nass “spreading COVID and COVID vaccination misinformation on Twitter,†it said.
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