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New coronavirus/vaccine discussion thread
(01-14-2022, 10:20 AM)Syncro Wrote:
(01-13-2022, 07:33 PM)zigbee Wrote: Dr. Ashley Winter, a urologist in Oregon, confirmed to the podcast hosts that "COVID d--- is like a real thing."


Not too bad...kinda has crazy eyes though

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Whenever I see the crazy eyes in pics or in person I always get a jolt of fear. The flight response kicks in hard. It's like a mild form of PTSD. She has them.
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I tested positive Wednesday evening with a home test and since that wasnâ€t acceptable for my work I was tested this morning and confirmed positive. Iâ€m 58 and have midrange asthma, Iâ€m vaxxed and boosted and since my wife is a dental hygienist which is a high risk profession, weâ€re pretty careful.
My Dr told me last year that my asthma meds should help if I contracted COVID. So far so good, I just have a mild cough which is normal for me anyways, and have a bit of congestion. Iâ€m pretty thankful at this point.
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Hoping for the best Arby.
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(01-14-2022, 12:18 PM)Arby328 Wrote: I tested positive Wednesday evening with a home test and since that wasnâ€t acceptable for my work I was tested this morning and confirmed positive. Iâ€m 58 and have midrange asthma, Iâ€m vaxxed and boosted and since my wife is a dental hygienist which is a high risk profession, weâ€re pretty careful.
My Dr told me last year that my asthma meds should help if I contracted COVID. So far so good, I just have a mild cough which is normal for me anyways, and have a bit of congestion. Iâ€m pretty thankful at this point.
Actually sounds like you're fairly low risk and have a head start with vaccination. Unless asthma is particularly severe it doesn't seem to be a risk factor with COVID. If you have an inhaled steroid you are on hypothetically it might be helpful. There is some evidence showing budesonide , a steroid, in a nebulizer helps. It's not strong evidence.  But it's only hypothetical as a result for the asthma steroid inhalers being helpful. 
You should do fine, let us know.
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Thanks guys. I use a Symbicort inhaler which has Budesonide, it may or may not help but it eases my mind a bit. 😀
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(01-14-2022, 09:10 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 08:37 AM)amlex Wrote:
(01-13-2022, 09:23 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: The data would indicate the vaccines are far from useless.

Based on reports, the number of deaths with COVID is pretty similar between pre-vaccine and post-vaccine. One would expect between the 100 odd million confirmed COVID survivors and approximately 200 million vaccined people, we should be seeing a marked decline in the number of cases and severe illnesses and death.

Which reports?

At the same time there was never a baseline on the percentage of people who got COVID and developed asymptomatic or mild symptoms that never sought medical treatment pre-vaccine. Therefore, there really isnâ€t a data point that can accurately gauge the effectiveness of the vaccine.


There's plenty of data from many sources, including all of the independent hospitals that consistently report that those who are admitted are 80-95% unvaxxed. 

COVID patients overwhelm Kansas City hospitals. Hereâ€s how many arenâ€t vaccinated

Of the hundreds of people being treated for COVID-19 in local hospitals right now, nearly all are unvaccinated, Kansas City area hospitals report.

On Monday, 108 of 119 active COVID-19 cases — a pandemic high for The University of Kansas Health System — were unvaccinated, hospital officials reported. Thatâ€s nearly 91%.

Liberty Hospital also reported a record number of COVID patients Monday with 58, topping the previous high of 49. Two-thirds are unvaccinated, a hospital spokeswoman said.

None of the 27 COVID patients at Childrenâ€s Mercy on Monday were vaccinated, said a hospital spokeswoman.

Also on Monday, AdventHealth Shawnee Mission and University Health (formerly Truman Medical Center) reported that 77% of their COVID patients are unvaccinated. Only one of nine at AdventHealth South Overland Park is vaccinated.
At HCA Midwest Health hospitals, which include Overland Park Regional and Research medical centers, more than 80% of COVID patients are unvaccinated, a hospital spokeswoman said. And 89% of COVID patients in ICU are unvaccinated.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/coronavi...86137.html

Much like the global warming computer models, when you make up unrecorded numbers, you can have the models say anything you want… itâ€s purely a confirmation bias.

On a side note, my fiancÃâ€s parents are both vaxxed and got COVID-19, her mother was still testing positive well over a week after first positive. She was starting to feel fine but was clearly still a breeder.

The report on the number of deaths pre-vaccine under Trump and post-vaccine under Biden:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newswee...28%3famp=1

There are hospitals that have more vaccinated and partially vaccinated people in ICU, and Iâ€d still argue anecdotal evidence without a baseline of pre-vaccine data is nothing more than a confirmation bias. We donâ€t know what percentage of vaxxed to unvaxxed are seeking treatment, based on either a false sense of security or the constant hammering on us dying. These reports donâ€t include breakdowns of age and morbidities. They always tend to be vague by saying “healthy and relatively young”, which runs counter to the raw data that shows this affects older and sick people, with multiple morbidities.

Also the CDC has stated that 75 percent of deaths associated with vaccinated individuals has shown that they have four or more morbidities, what is the likelihood that these patients are even taken to the hospital or admitted to ICU? Triage could very well be kicking these patients out of that pool because the chances of survival pushes them into at home/assisted living palliative care.

Quote: “ Ontario is reporting 3,448 people hospitalized with COVID-19, and 505 in the ICU, a number that experts are worried could increase over time. Among the ICU cases for which vaccination status was reported as of Jan. 12, 157 were unvaccinated, 19 were partially vaccinated and 167 were fully vaccinated.”

https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/health/cor...-1.5738198

Either way, youâ€re running out of unvaccinated, non-COVID immunized people, so the quasispecies swarms (not a single variant) will begin to cause more breakthrough cases with the vaccinated because their immune system response doesnâ€t have a full picture of the quasispecies virus to combat it. I had COVID-19 when Delta was the prominent variant but I likely had more variants within the quasispecies swarm. My body has a fuller picture of the virus, compared to a vaxxed person who keeps seeing their shadow and running back for shelter.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7135314/
Can the law — which necessarily requires the use of force — rationally be used for anything except protecting the rights of everyone? … A citizen cannot at the same time be free and not free.

- Frédéric Bastiat, The Law
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(01-14-2022, 01:06 PM)amlex Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 09:10 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 08:37 AM)amlex Wrote:
(01-13-2022, 09:23 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: The data would indicate the vaccines are far from useless.

Based on reports, the number of deaths with COVID is pretty similar between pre-vaccine and post-vaccine. One would expect between the 100 odd million confirmed COVID survivors and approximately 200 million vaccined people, we should be seeing a marked decline in the number of cases and severe illnesses and death.

Which reports?

At the same time there was never a baseline on the percentage of people who got COVID and developed asymptomatic or mild symptoms that never sought medical treatment pre-vaccine. Therefore, there really isnâ€t a data point that can accurately gauge the effectiveness of the vaccine.


There's plenty of data from many sources, including all of the independent hospitals that consistently report that those who are admitted are 80-95% unvaxxed. 

COVID patients overwhelm Kansas City hospitals. Hereâ€s how many arenâ€t vaccinated

Of the hundreds of people being treated for COVID-19 in local hospitals right now, nearly all are unvaccinated, Kansas City area hospitals report.

On Monday, 108 of 119 active COVID-19 cases — a pandemic high for The University of Kansas Health System — were unvaccinated, hospital officials reported. Thatâ€s nearly 91%.

Liberty Hospital also reported a record number of COVID patients Monday with 58, topping the previous high of 49. Two-thirds are unvaccinated, a hospital spokeswoman said.

None of the 27 COVID patients at Childrenâ€s Mercy on Monday were vaccinated, said a hospital spokeswoman.

Also on Monday, AdventHealth Shawnee Mission and University Health (formerly Truman Medical Center) reported that 77% of their COVID patients are unvaccinated. Only one of nine at AdventHealth South Overland Park is vaccinated.
At HCA Midwest Health hospitals, which include Overland Park Regional and Research medical centers, more than 80% of COVID patients are unvaccinated, a hospital spokeswoman said. And 89% of COVID patients in ICU are unvaccinated.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/coronavi...86137.html

Much like the global warming computer models, when you make up unrecorded numbers, you can have the models say anything you want… itâ€s purely a confirmation bias.

On a side note, my fiancÃâ€s parents are both vaxxed and got COVID-19, her mother was still testing positive well over a week after first positive. She was starting to feel fine but was clearly still a breeder.

The report on the number of deaths pre-vaccine under Trump and post-vaccine under Biden:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newswee...28%3famp=1

There are hospitals that have more vaccinated and partially vaccinated people in ICU, and Iâ€d still argue anecdotal evidence without a baseline of pre-vaccine data is nothing more than a confirmation bias. We donâ€t know what percentage of vaxxed to unvaxxed are seeking treatment, based on either a false sense of security or the constant hammering on us dying. These reports donâ€t include breakdowns of age and morbidities. They always tend to be vague by saying “healthy and relatively young”, which runs counter to the raw data that shows this affects older and sick people, with multiple morbidities.

Also the CDC has stated that 75 percent of deaths associated with vaccinated individuals has shown that they have four or more morbidities, what is the likelihood that these patients are even taken to the hospital or admitted to ICU? Triage could very well be kicking these patients out of that pool because the chances of survival pushes them into at home/assisted living palliative care.

Quote: “ Ontario is reporting 3,448 people hospitalized with COVID-19, and 505 in the ICU, a number that experts are worried could increase over time. Among the ICU cases for which vaccination status was reported as of Jan. 12, 157 were unvaccinated, 19 were partially vaccinated and 167 were fully vaccinated.”

https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/health/cor...-1.5738198

Either way, youâ€re running out of unvaccinated, non-COVID immunized people, so the quasispecies swarms (not a single variant) will begin to cause more breakthrough cases with the vaccinated because their immune system response doesnâ€t have a full picture of the quasispecies virus to combat it. I had COVID-19 when Delta was the prominent variant but I likely had more variants within the quasispecies swarm. My body has a fuller picture of the virus, compared to a vaxxed person who keeps seeing their shadow and running back for shelter.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7135314/

In regard to Trump vs Biden: there are any number of factors to consider when looking at deaths.  There is absolutely no reason to assume that is has anything to do with effectiveness of the vaccine, given the overwhelming evidence that the vaccine works. 

I'm sure there are hospitals where there are exceptions to the vaxxed vs unvaxxed, but why would you treat the exception as the rule when there is so much evidence that shows that is the unvaxxed being hospitalized at a significantly higher rate?
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(01-14-2022, 02:21 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 01:06 PM)amlex Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 09:10 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 08:37 AM)amlex Wrote:
(01-13-2022, 09:23 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: The data would indicate the vaccines are far from useless.

Based on reports, the number of deaths with COVID is pretty similar between pre-vaccine and post-vaccine. One would expect between the 100 odd million confirmed COVID survivors and approximately 200 million vaccined people, we should be seeing a marked decline in the number of cases and severe illnesses and death.

Which reports?

At the same time there was never a baseline on the percentage of people who got COVID and developed asymptomatic or mild symptoms that never sought medical treatment pre-vaccine. Therefore, there really isnâ€t a data point that can accurately gauge the effectiveness of the vaccine.


There's plenty of data from many sources, including all of the independent hospitals that consistently report that those who are admitted are 80-95% unvaxxed. 

COVID patients overwhelm Kansas City hospitals. Hereâ€s how many arenâ€t vaccinated

Of the hundreds of people being treated for COVID-19 in local hospitals right now, nearly all are unvaccinated, Kansas City area hospitals report.

On Monday, 108 of 119 active COVID-19 cases — a pandemic high for The University of Kansas Health System — were unvaccinated, hospital officials reported. Thatâ€s nearly 91%.

Liberty Hospital also reported a record number of COVID patients Monday with 58, topping the previous high of 49. Two-thirds are unvaccinated, a hospital spokeswoman said.

None of the 27 COVID patients at Childrenâ€s Mercy on Monday were vaccinated, said a hospital spokeswoman.

Also on Monday, AdventHealth Shawnee Mission and University Health (formerly Truman Medical Center) reported that 77% of their COVID patients are unvaccinated. Only one of nine at AdventHealth South Overland Park is vaccinated.
At HCA Midwest Health hospitals, which include Overland Park Regional and Research medical centers, more than 80% of COVID patients are unvaccinated, a hospital spokeswoman said. And 89% of COVID patients in ICU are unvaccinated.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/coronavi...86137.html

Much like the global warming computer models, when you make up unrecorded numbers, you can have the models say anything you want… itâ€s purely a confirmation bias.

On a side note, my fiancÃâ€s parents are both vaxxed and got COVID-19, her mother was still testing positive well over a week after first positive. She was starting to feel fine but was clearly still a breeder.

The report on the number of deaths pre-vaccine under Trump and post-vaccine under Biden:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newswee...28%3famp=1

There are hospitals that have more vaccinated and partially vaccinated people in ICU, and Iâ€d still argue anecdotal evidence without a baseline of pre-vaccine data is nothing more than a confirmation bias. We donâ€t know what percentage of vaxxed to unvaxxed are seeking treatment, based on either a false sense of security or the constant hammering on us dying. These reports donâ€t include breakdowns of age and morbidities. They always tend to be vague by saying “healthy and relatively young”, which runs counter to the raw data that shows this affects older and sick people, with multiple morbidities.

Also the CDC has stated that 75 percent of deaths associated with vaccinated individuals has shown that they have four or more morbidities, what is the likelihood that these patients are even taken to the hospital or admitted to ICU? Triage could very well be kicking these patients out of that pool because the chances of survival pushes them into at home/assisted living palliative care.

Quote: “ Ontario is reporting 3,448 people hospitalized with COVID-19, and 505 in the ICU, a number that experts are worried could increase over time. Among the ICU cases for which vaccination status was reported as of Jan. 12, 157 were unvaccinated, 19 were partially vaccinated and 167 were fully vaccinated.”

https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/health/cor...-1.5738198

Either way, youâ€re running out of unvaccinated, non-COVID immunized people, so the quasispecies swarms (not a single variant) will begin to cause more breakthrough cases with the vaccinated because their immune system response doesnâ€t have a full picture of the quasispecies virus to combat it. I had COVID-19 when Delta was the prominent variant but I likely had more variants within the quasispecies swarm. My body has a fuller picture of the virus, compared to a vaxxed person who keeps seeing their shadow and running back for shelter.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7135314/

In regard to Trump vs Biden: there are any number of factors to consider when looking at deaths.  There is absolutely no reason to assume that is has anything to do with effectiveness of the vaccine, given the overwhelming evidence that the vaccine works. 

I'm sure there are hospitals where there are exceptions to the vaxxed vs unvaxxed, but why would you treat the exception as the rule when there is so much evidence that shows that is the unvaxxed being hospitalized at a significantly higher rate?

Thatâ€s just it, most of the early reports were that the Omnicron dominant virus was targeting the unvaxxed. The tide could very well be turning as the number of unvaxxed swell and have acquired natural immunity.

By the same token, there are reports of newspapers in Europe that have publicly apologized for pushing the COVID-19 narrative without questioning the data. Much like the reporting on the frequency of mass shooters, thereâ€s an economy of mass hysteria that skews these reports.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7913136/
Can the law — which necessarily requires the use of force — rationally be used for anything except protecting the rights of everyone? … A citizen cannot at the same time be free and not free.

- Frédéric Bastiat, The Law
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Omicron is hitting everyone. Vaxxed, vaxxed and boosted, previously infected, previously infected and vaxxed, unvaxxed. What is clear is the unvaxxed are getting it more often and are far more likely to get seriously ill or die. The data is pretty consistent.
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(01-14-2022, 02:42 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: Omicron is hitting everyone. Vaxxed, vaxxed and boosted, previously infected, previously infected and vaxxed, unvaxxed. What is clear is the unvaxxed are getting it more often and are far more likely to get seriously ill or die. The data is pretty consistent.
What a Fauci-ite

No longer GroupThink 'woke'.  but it was fun while it lasted.
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(01-14-2022, 02:35 PM)amlex Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 02:21 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 01:06 PM)amlex Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 09:10 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 08:37 AM)amlex Wrote: Based on reports, the number of deaths with COVID is pretty similar between pre-vaccine and post-vaccine. One would expect between the 100 odd million confirmed COVID survivors and approximately 200 million vaccined people, we should be seeing a marked decline in the number of cases and severe illnesses and death.

Which reports?

At the same time there was never a baseline on the percentage of people who got COVID and developed asymptomatic or mild symptoms that never sought medical treatment pre-vaccine. Therefore, there really isnâ€t a data point that can accurately gauge the effectiveness of the vaccine.


There's plenty of data from many sources, including all of the independent hospitals that consistently report that those who are admitted are 80-95% unvaxxed. 

COVID patients overwhelm Kansas City hospitals. Hereâ€s how many arenâ€t vaccinated

Of the hundreds of people being treated for COVID-19 in local hospitals right now, nearly all are unvaccinated, Kansas City area hospitals report.

On Monday, 108 of 119 active COVID-19 cases — a pandemic high for The University of Kansas Health System — were unvaccinated, hospital officials reported. Thatâ€s nearly 91%.

Liberty Hospital also reported a record number of COVID patients Monday with 58, topping the previous high of 49. Two-thirds are unvaccinated, a hospital spokeswoman said.

None of the 27 COVID patients at Childrenâ€s Mercy on Monday were vaccinated, said a hospital spokeswoman.

Also on Monday, AdventHealth Shawnee Mission and University Health (formerly Truman Medical Center) reported that 77% of their COVID patients are unvaccinated. Only one of nine at AdventHealth South Overland Park is vaccinated.
At HCA Midwest Health hospitals, which include Overland Park Regional and Research medical centers, more than 80% of COVID patients are unvaccinated, a hospital spokeswoman said. And 89% of COVID patients in ICU are unvaccinated.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/coronavi...86137.html

Much like the global warming computer models, when you make up unrecorded numbers, you can have the models say anything you want… itâ€s purely a confirmation bias.

On a side note, my fiancÃâ€s parents are both vaxxed and got COVID-19, her mother was still testing positive well over a week after first positive. She was starting to feel fine but was clearly still a breeder.

The report on the number of deaths pre-vaccine under Trump and post-vaccine under Biden:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newswee...28%3famp=1

There are hospitals that have more vaccinated and partially vaccinated people in ICU, and Iâ€d still argue anecdotal evidence without a baseline of pre-vaccine data is nothing more than a confirmation bias. We donâ€t know what percentage of vaxxed to unvaxxed are seeking treatment, based on either a false sense of security or the constant hammering on us dying. These reports donâ€t include breakdowns of age and morbidities. They always tend to be vague by saying “healthy and relatively young”, which runs counter to the raw data that shows this affects older and sick people, with multiple morbidities.

Also the CDC has stated that 75 percent of deaths associated with vaccinated individuals has shown that they have four or more morbidities, what is the likelihood that these patients are even taken to the hospital or admitted to ICU? Triage could very well be kicking these patients out of that pool because the chances of survival pushes them into at home/assisted living palliative care.

Quote: “ Ontario is reporting 3,448 people hospitalized with COVID-19, and 505 in the ICU, a number that experts are worried could increase over time. Among the ICU cases for which vaccination status was reported as of Jan. 12, 157 were unvaccinated, 19 were partially vaccinated and 167 were fully vaccinated.”

https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/health/cor...-1.5738198

Either way, youâ€re running out of unvaccinated, non-COVID immunized people, so the quasispecies swarms (not a single variant) will begin to cause more breakthrough cases with the vaccinated because their immune system response doesnâ€t have a full picture of the quasispecies virus to combat it. I had COVID-19 when Delta was the prominent variant but I likely had more variants within the quasispecies swarm. My body has a fuller picture of the virus, compared to a vaxxed person who keeps seeing their shadow and running back for shelter.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7135314/

In regard to Trump vs Biden: there are any number of factors to consider when looking at deaths.  There is absolutely no reason to assume that is has anything to do with effectiveness of the vaccine, given the overwhelming evidence that the vaccine works. 

I'm sure there are hospitals where there are exceptions to the vaxxed vs unvaxxed, but why would you treat the exception as the rule when there is so much evidence that shows that is the unvaxxed being hospitalized at a significantly higher rate?

Thatâ€s just it, most of the early reports were that the Omnicron dominant virus was targeting the unvaxxed. The tide could very well be turning as the number of unvaxxed swell and have acquired natural immunity.

By the same token, there are reports of newspapers in Europe that have publicly apologized for pushing the COVID-19 narrative without questioning the data. Much like the reporting on the frequency of mass shooters, thereâ€s an economy of mass hysteria that skews these reports.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7913136/

Do you have a link to one of the early reports?

Omicron is definitely hitting the vaxxed more than the previous variants, but the most recent data still shows a significant gap between vaxxed and unvaxxed:



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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/11/brief...nated.html
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(01-14-2022, 12:18 PM)Arby328 Wrote: I tested positive Wednesday evening with a home test and since that wasnâ€t acceptable for my work I was tested this morning and confirmed positive. Iâ€m 58 and have midrange asthma, Iâ€m vaxxed and boosted and since my wife is a dental hygienist which is a high risk profession, weâ€re pretty careful.
My Dr told me last year that my asthma meds should help if I contracted COVID. So far so good, I just have a mild cough which is normal for me anyways, and have a bit of congestion. Iâ€m pretty thankful at this point.
Good Luck, you should do fine, once you get by day five without any significant increase in symptoms you should be on the way to recovery. Dental hygienist, yeah that's a tough gig for Covid.
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