Did the coronavirus come from the Wuhan lab?

[P1tchblack]

Michigan boy dies 3 days after getting Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, CDC is investigating


https://www.freep.com/story/news/2021/07...323095001/

Autopsy Histopathologic Cardiac Findings in 2 Adolescents Following the Second COVID-19 Vaccine Dose

James R Gill et al. Arch Pathol Lab Med. 2022.

Abstract
Context.—: Myocarditis in adolescents has been diagnosed clinically following the administration of the second dose of an mRNA vaccine for coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).

Objective.—: To examine the autopsy microscopic cardiac findings in adolescent deaths that occurred shortly following administration of the second Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 dose to determine if the myocarditis described in these instances has the typical histopathology of myocarditis.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35157759/

[Syncro]

Itâ€s very normal to have very healthy people just dropping all over the place.

Used to happen all the time, us dumb rubes just too smooth-brained to remember it.

Good thing weâ€ve got a fork lift driver turned strip mall doc to keep us straight

[P1tchblack]

Itâ€s very normal to have very healthy people just dropping all over the place.

Used to happen all the time, us dumb rubes just too smooth-brained to remember it.

Good thing weâ€ve got a fork lift driver turned strip mall doc to keep us straight

Young apparently healthy people actually do die of heart issues regularly.  Apparently, in incredibly rare cases, adolescent boys have died as a result of the second Pfizer vaccine shot.

[3rdgensooner]

Itâ€s very normal to have very healthy people just dropping all over the place.

Used to happen all the time, us dumb rubes just too smooth-brained to remember it.

Good thing weâ€ve got a fork lift driver turned strip mall doc to keep us straight

Yes no seemingly healthy people ever died before the vaccine. And the fact that there's a virus going around that causes cardiac mortality at significant rates is immaterial. 
I should note that the study above didn't show 310 per million cases of myocarditis after COVID infection but showed an EXTRA 310 per million cases while the child vaccine study showed a TOTAL of 1.8 per million not an extra 1.8 per million. The baseline rate for kids is .... about 2 per million anyway. Prior to the virus and vaccines.
Studies prior to COVID have been done regarding sudden cardiac death for years in young presumably healthy athletes. Various screening methods have been proposed but it's a needle in the haystack exercise. Prior to COVID rates of sudden cardiac death in young athletes was estimated at 1 in 40-80 thousand. IF that has increased the most likely culprit would be COVID 19 given the significant rates of cardiac events that occur after infection rather than the rare and usually mild ones after vaccination. Thus far no organizations anywhere have noted an increase. Actually surprising given the prevalence of COVID 19 and the rate of cardiac complications after infection.
But the rate of death in the US of young healthy athletes from sudden cardiac death is about one every 3 days prior to COVID. So it's easy for antivaxxetards to play this up.

[3rdgensooner]

Chris Pronger with a similar incident to Hamlin's is the second clip.

[Sanitarian2]

Experts in the field were very clear from the beginning, many noted that Coronaviruses mutate much faster than viruses in other families and there was an expectation from day one that annual vaccinations might be needed. They also indicated that the virus was very likely to become more infectious and less deadly as the Pandemic progressed. In fact, from day one it was predicted that over the next decade the virus would kill off the elderly ill and become just another childhood virus much like RSV.

The original vaccine was amazingly effective, that cannot be disputed. Public Health officials tried to spoon feed the ignorant masses sugar water, fluff up the future of living with the virus, because they feared their reaction. Because of that error the ignorant are now refusing childhood vaccines, we have a freaking measles outbreak in Ohio.

[maize]

Chris Pronger did take a 90+ MPH slap shot to the heart. He went on to have a long career after that.

Chris Pronger once suffered same freak injury as Bills' Damar Hamlin
"Until youâ€ve been in the situation and itâ€s happened to you, itâ€s really hard to describe.”

In the Monday Night Football clash between the Buffalo Bills and Cincinnati Bengals, Bills safety Damar Hamlin suffered a cardiac arrest on the field and still remains in critical condition as of Wednesday afternoon.

While Monday night's events were rare and unprecedented in football, an eerily similar play shocked the NHL almost 25 years ago.
During the 1998 Western Conference final between the St. Louis Blues and Detroit Red Wings, Blues blueliner Chris Pronger collapsed after being struck in the chest by a slap shot. After trying to get up after the initial hit, Pronger fell back to the ice.

“I remember stepping out to block the shot, it hit me right in the heart,” Pronger recalled on Wednesdayâ€s episode of ESPNâ€s The Drop. “It stung, as only a slap shot can. …In my head, Iâ€m like ‘Get to the bench.†I blacked out on the ice, and you can see I kind of got up and you can see I stumbled a little bit, take two stumbly strides, and then collapsed on the ice.

“I woke up and I was staring straight up at the banners and the retired numbers. I looked over to my right, to our bench, and I could see guys were crying and not really knowing what was going on. My shirt was cut open with scissors, everything was wide open, and I was just looking around going ‘Oh my God, what is going on?â€

“It was surreal, for sure. Until youâ€ve been in the situation and itâ€s happened to you, itâ€s really hard to describe.”

Both sports are so physical that some kind of injury is almost expected for every player, but when Pronger was asked if he expected an injury this serious could happen, he knows thereâ€s a distinct difference.

“I donâ€t think like this,” Pronger said. “You might get hurt, you might get injured. That type of stuff. But I donâ€t think youâ€re thinking about having a type of event such as commotio cordis.”

Commotio cordis occurs when a person suffers a blow directly to the area directly over the heart during a critical time of their heartbeat. It disrupts the heart enough to cause cardiac arrest. It has to happen within a 40-millisecond window of the personâ€s heartbeat cycle and the rarity of it happening again is why the defenseman was willing to return so quickly.

“That was one of the things that we talked about before playing,” Pronger recalled. “Well, I only know one way to play. I canâ€t just dip a toe in, Iâ€m either all in or Iâ€m all out. And that was part of the questions. ‘Can I play physical? Can I hit? Can I do all the things that are going to happen in a playoff game, especially in 1998?†And [the specialist] gave a full checkmark, and said ‘No, you can do whatever you want to do. This is literally a one-off, the chances of this happening again are probably greater than you winning the lottery.â€â€

Pronger went on to play less than 48 hours after collapsing on the ice, and because that game went into overtime, logged a team-leading 41:35 time on ice. Unfortunately, there are major differences between what happened to Hamlin and what happened to Pronger.

“I lost consciousness, but I never stopped breathing. They never had to do CPR, they didnâ€t have to restart my heart. They didnâ€t have to do any of that stuff. In this instance, there was a significant amount of time without breathing, theyâ€re doing CPR, theyâ€re hitting him with the paddles. Theyâ€re doing everything they can to keep him alive. And as a player, seeing that, it only takes one guy playing at 50 percent and the risk of injury drastically increases, especially in a physical sport like football. I think they made the right call.”

Pronger went further with the distinction between the two incidents, saying that he could have skated off if they let him, instead of being stretchered off, being alert enough to do so.

Now 48-years-old, the legendary defenseman went on to play for 13 more seasons, won the Stanley Cup with the Anaheim Ducks in 2007, was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 2015, and now lives a healthy life in St. Louis. The whole sports world is hoping that Hamlin can experience the same full life off the field that Pronger has enjoyed following the scary injury.

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[3rdgensooner]

Looks like Pronger's arrhythmia self corrected shortly after. Hamlin had to be shocked twice. Fortunate. I've seen a list of young athletes dying suddenly from cardiac events. They all predate COVID. I haven't seen any increase. Again I would be surprised if there wasn't given the very high rate of cardiac complications from even milder COVID infections. The only NFL player to die on the field of cardiac causes occurred in 1972. I can think of two NCAA Bball players and those were in the 90s. This died suddenly of the COVID vaccines is absolutely retardate. The data is clear. It would be enormously rare and a tiny fraction of that caused by COVID. Even at 50% effectiveness preventing disease(much more effective at preventing severe disease) the vaccine should markedly reduce the number of such events.

[P1tchblack]

[Alabuckeye]

Interesting. Rand Paul referring to caves with bat guano….as a potential source. When 3rd G mentioned that MONTHS ago, he was mocked by Amlex and others. Hmmmm

[3rdgensooner]

Interesting. Rand Paul referring to caves with bat guano….as a potential source. When 3rd G mentioned that MONTHS ago, he was mocked by Amlex and others. Hmmmm

No. Not exactly. It's a bit more complex but some already know everything so they don't actually try to understand anything else. So the bats are a reservoir and mutations occur quite a bit. That's one part. The other thing is they found spike protein mutations in the wild in bats they didn't know about before showing things found in SARS-COV2 did occur in nature. Recombination occurs in those guano filled caves. The leap to humans wasn't from bats directly. The animal most likely was the raccoon dogs in the market. But the virus likely originally evolved in bats.

[ChinaBuck]

https://www.foxnews.com/health/face-mask...fic-review

A review of research by an international team found that surgical style masks had little to no value on a population wide basis. They were more likely effective on a personal level. Even N95 masks had little to no value. 

It has been estimated that 90% of China caught COVID from the 1st of December. This is a society that heavily wears masks. So this exists as proof of this most recent research finding that masks are mostly useless at a population level.

[maize]

We knew that.

I still see people wearing them incorrectly...

[ChinaBuck]

We knew that.

I still see people wearing them incorrectly...

Most of us observed the lack of mask efficacy in the life around us. I think if we had sensible, instead of political, decision making we would not have disrupted our economy and way of life so severely. But with the authoritarian libs pushing mask mandates for the people and their leaders constantly eschewing them when they were at special events led to a revolt of sorts. The other confounding decision is both closing parks or requiring masks out in the open air spaces where the risk of viral dispersion was infinitesimally small. Any half brain knows that being out in the fresh air and sunshine is healthy. 

It's as if the CDC had no plan whatsoever to manage this virus. God help us when the next one comes around. Because, there will be another one.

[maize]

When the next one comes, there will be many more confrontations from the Karens and Chads. Pretty much everyone followed the masking rules at first during Covid (at least inside). That will not happen next time if there are similar mask mandates. Would/will likely be a lot more fights. Verbally and physically.