Did the coronavirus come from the Wuhan lab?

[Syncro]

I think the numbers you cite are likely low.

But Iâ€m just some mouth breathing, pathological lying rube…so what do I know? Iâ€m just the guy who started talking about this 2+ years ago here

[ScarletHayes]

I think the numbers you cite are likely low.

But Iâ€m just some mouth breathing, pathological lying rube…so what do I know? Iâ€m just the guy who started talking about this 2+ years ago here

I'm not 100% on that 1,600 being the total over the 2 years or if that has been the rate over the two years.  i.e.  800/year or 1,600/year.  Just a casual work conversation where I'm sure I botched some of the specific numbers.  The general trajectory is what jumps out though.  Is this even in the ball park?

[P1tchblack]

This is a total word of mouth story from a coworker, so the numbers aren't going to be exact.  The ball park/the trend is the take home here.  (I know this is akin to a drop of blood in a pool full of piranhas) Ok so here goes, guy at work tells me the world wide trend, up until 2021, of athletes dying during activity (practice, actual game/event, etc...)  was approx 29/year.  Since 2021 release of the vaccine he claims there have been over 1,600 cases.  Is this remotely true?  Either number?  Both numbers?

Whoever this person is, they should not be trusted as a source of accurate information.

I've seen this story online, but it's just another situation where people accept things as fact without doing any digging on their own to verify the claims.  Wikipedia is not, by any measure, and acceptable source for any kind of research that is expected to be taken seriously.  Of course, substack is also not a source for news, so it's a double fail.

To find out how many deaths actually occurred during the last two decades among FIFA players (2001-2020), we used Wikipedia - "List of association footballers who died while playing". To know how many cases occurred in 2021, we used the list collected by us in "Real-Time News" (which includes the cases noted in Wikipedia for 2021).

https://stephenc.substack.com/p/5-fold-i...en-cardiac

[ScarletHayes]

All athletes.  Not just soccer players.

[P1tchblack]

All athletes.  Not just soccer players.

My bad. 

That story came from goodsciencing.com (here).

They describe themselves as a group of anonymous researchers (here)

They provide nothing that resembles true scientific research - probably why they prefer to remain anonymous.

Also, look at it this way... We all follow college sports and professional sports fairly closely. If athletes were actually dropping like this person claims, would we not be hearing about it? If we had 25- 50 starters show up on the injury report as "Dead" , I think we would notice that sort of thing.

Again, this is not a person that should be trusted to provide accurate information.

[ScarletHayes]

I'm thinking the Hamlin situation resparked the conversation and got more and more people looking.

[3rdgensooner]

This is a total word of mouth story from a coworker, so the numbers aren't going to be exact.  The ball park/the trend is the take home here.  (I know this is akin to a drop of blood in a pool full of piranhas) Ok so here goes, guy at work tells me the world wide trend, up until 2021, of athletes dying during activity (practice, actual game/event, etc...)  was approx 29/year.  Since 2021 release of the vaccine he claims there have been over 1,600 cases.  Is this remotely true?  Either number?  Both numbers?

 Nope. Completely made up out of thin air. Like the 108 soccer players who died but no one can name one. No organization has seen any uptick at all. If there were itâ€d be far more likely due to COVID 19 than vaccinations given COVID can and does cause a myriad of cardiac problems. The weird antivaxxetards seem to think everyone who dies unexpectedly died because of the vaccine and that the virus hardly kills anyone.  Bizarre.

[3rdgensooner]

The triggers for looking at serious complications from vaccination are set pretty low. They stopped the J+J for a time over events you could count on your hands. They are now looking at whether there are increased strokes with the Pfizer vaccine. The trigger for such an analysis is certainly far lower than hundreds or thousands of deaths. Just a handful of events , not necessarily deaths, will trigger a review.

[Sanitarian2]

Be prepared for the good doctor to lash out and call all kinds of names that Zig will magically overlook.

Without knowing numbers there is no disputing the number of random cardiac deaths in healthy young people the last 2ish years. Itâ€s happening every day.

Doctors in Sweden and UK have come out in the last day or two suggesting people stop taking the spike. They arenâ€t nearly as bright as a guy in Phoenix so take that for what itâ€s worth

Some Doctors in the US of A are suggesting that healthy, young people also not take the fourth shot at this time. Their reasoning is that the current vaccine is effective at preventing severe disease but not preventing symptoms and since the healthy young are not usually in danger AND have had previous expose/disease or vaccination, it has limited value in that demographic.  

Most Doctors suggest the fourth and eventually the annual vaccinations for those over 70 and those with other medical concerns. No doctor worth their salt suggests that the vaccine is more dangerous than the original variant in an unexposed population of any age or health status.

I have not taken the fourth dose to this point and won't if the Ohio numbers continue to stay low. I did get the flu shot a month ago, flu is OUT OF CONTROL in my area, thankfully RSV has dropped.

[3rdgensooner]

Flu is dropping now. COVID going up. Iâ€m seeing a lot of RSV and COVID not much flu.

[Sanitarian2]

Flu is dropping now. COVID going up. Iâ€m seeing a lot of RSV and COVID not much flu.

We had an RSV peak a month or more ago, Flu is still treading up in my area with 38 hospitalizations last month in a small county. (Ohio only counts flu when it puts you in the hospital), Covid in Ohio strangely did not show any real bumps over Christmas and New Years and is stable. Part of that may be because of a lack of reporting home testing or even bothering to test. But then again, if it's not making people ill enough to bother to test or seek treatment did the tree falling in the woods make a sound.

[3rdgensooner]

Flu is dropping now. COVID going up. Iâ€m seeing a lot of RSV and COVID not much flu.

We had an RSV peak a month or more ago, Flu is still treading up in my area with 38 hospitalizations last month in a small county. (Ohio only counts flu when it puts you in the hospital), Covid in Ohio strangely did not show any real bumps over Christmas and New Years and is stable. Part of that may be because of a lack of reporting home testing or even bothering to test. But then again, if it's not making people ill enough to bother to test or seek treatment did the tree falling in the woods make a sound.

I hear about the home tests quite a bit directly from my patients. Positive and negative. Generally if I see an acute respiratory illness in the office Iâ€m running a PCR test that covers influenza A and B, RSV, and COVID.

[P1tchblack]

Clearly just a "rounding" error.

China sharply revises death toll linked to covid outbreak to 60,000 from 37

China on Saturday made a significant revision of its official death toll in the latest outbreak of the coronavirus — to nearly 60,000 deaths linked to covid-19 since December, when pandemic restrictions were lifted and infections surged across the country, up from just 37.

The announcement follows criticism by international health experts and complaints by citizens that the government has been understating the number of deaths caused by the virus.

Authorities have recently come under added scrutiny following reports of overwhelmed funeral homes and hospitals. A report by The Washington Post last week documented a surge in traffic outside funeral homes, according to satellite imagery, firsthand videos and interviews with crematorium staff and residents.

The National Health Commission said in a news briefing that hospitals recorded at least 59,938 covid-19-related deaths between Dec. 8 and Jan. 12. Of those deaths, 5,503 involved respiratory failure caused by the virus, and the rest of the deaths were caused by underlying diseases combined with covid-19. The average age of patients who had died was 80.3 years old.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/202...-revision/

[maize]

It sounds EXACTLY like something you would do. STFU. You don't get to play both sides now.

[Syncro]

It sounds EXACTLY like something you would do. STFU. You don't get to play both sides now.

Who and what are replying to here?