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Lincoln Riley to USC
#73
(11-29-2021, 02:00 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-29-2021, 01:38 PM)Blinky Wrote:
(11-29-2021, 01:29 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-29-2021, 01:26 PM)Blinky Wrote:
(11-29-2021, 01:21 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: West Virginia played in the national championship game against Notre Dame in 1988 15 years before Miami left the Big East.

Also before there was a Big East. 

They played two ranked teams that year, Pitt and Syracuse. Then they got housed by ND.

Doesn't matter.  Don Nehlen had a pretty good program at West Virginia long before you claimed they "got good"in the Big East.

I was comparing their stint in the Big East to their stint in the Big 12. 

In the Big East they were nothing special until Miami and Virginia Tech left, then they remained good until they joined the Big 12, then they reverted back to their original Big East days of being good but not great when they joined the Big 12. Soon they will get a lot better again, now that Texas and Oklahoma are out of the picture. 

Look, I get that you are a Louisville fan, but the revamped Big East as some sort of formidable Conference is a strange hill for you to die on. The new Big 12 will be similarly situated to the revamped Big East, only much better from top to bottom, as evidenced by the far superior P5:G5:FCS composition ratio. 8:4:0 compared to 4:3:1. 

This conversation is ludicrous.

I didn't say the Big East circa 2005 was formidable. I said it was better as a conference than what the Big 12 is about to become and it was within the landscape of college football at that time.  Louisville and West Virginia were better then than anybody in the Big 12 after OU moves on. There will be no contenders for a national title in the new Big 12.


West Virginia is in the new Big 12, and they have multiple teams that are better than Louisville. Particularly Louisville circa 2005, when they were a glorified CUSA all star team.
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#74
(11-29-2021, 02:04 PM)Blinky Wrote:
(11-29-2021, 02:00 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-29-2021, 01:38 PM)Blinky Wrote:
(11-29-2021, 01:29 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-29-2021, 01:26 PM)Blinky Wrote: Also before there was a Big East. 

They played two ranked teams that year, Pitt and Syracuse. Then they got housed by ND.

Doesn't matter.  Don Nehlen had a pretty good program at West Virginia long before you claimed they "got good"in the Big East.

I was comparing their stint in the Big East to their stint in the Big 12. 

In the Big East they were nothing special until Miami and Virginia Tech left, then they remained good until they joined the Big 12, then they reverted back to their original Big East days of being good but not great when they joined the Big 12. Soon they will get a lot better again, now that Texas and Oklahoma are out of the picture. 

Look, I get that you are a Louisville fan, but the revamped Big East as some sort of formidable Conference is a strange hill for you to die on. The new Big 12 will be similarly situated to the revamped Big East, only much better from top to bottom, as evidenced by the far superior P5:G5:FCS composition ratio. 8:4:0 compared to 4:3:1. 

This conversation is ludicrous.

I didn't say the Big East circa 2005 was formidable. I said it was better as a conference than what the Big 12 is about to become and it was within the landscape of college football at that time.  Louisville and West Virginia were better then than anybody in the Big 12 after OU moves on. There will be no contenders for a national title in the new Big 12.


West Virginia is in the new Big 12, and they have multiple teams that are better than Louisville. Particularly Louisville circa 2005, when they were a glorified CUSA all star team.

West Virginia is not the program they used to be obviously and that was destined to happen after they moved to a conference that is structured for midwest and southwest teams.  Now you are talking out of your ass blinky.  Louisville has had their moments though few and far between but they do have Fiesta, Orange and Sugar bowl wins.  It's ok for a school that nearly cancelled football in 1984 when the coach donated his $40k a year salary back to the program.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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#75
(11-29-2021, 02:13 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-29-2021, 02:04 PM)Blinky Wrote:
(11-29-2021, 02:00 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-29-2021, 01:38 PM)Blinky Wrote:
(11-29-2021, 01:29 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: Doesn't matter.  Don Nehlen had a pretty good program at West Virginia long before you claimed they "got good"in the Big East.

I was comparing their stint in the Big East to their stint in the Big 12. 

In the Big East they were nothing special until Miami and Virginia Tech left, then they remained good until they joined the Big 12, then they reverted back to their original Big East days of being good but not great when they joined the Big 12. Soon they will get a lot better again, now that Texas and Oklahoma are out of the picture. 

Look, I get that you are a Louisville fan, but the revamped Big East as some sort of formidable Conference is a strange hill for you to die on. The new Big 12 will be similarly situated to the revamped Big East, only much better from top to bottom, as evidenced by the far superior P5:G5:FCS composition ratio. 8:4:0 compared to 4:3:1. 

This conversation is ludicrous.

I didn't say the Big East circa 2005 was formidable. I said it was better as a conference than what the Big 12 is about to become and it was within the landscape of college football at that time.  Louisville and West Virginia were better then than anybody in the Big 12 after OU moves on. There will be no contenders for a national title in the new Big 12.


West Virginia is in the new Big 12, and they have multiple teams that are better than Louisville. Particularly Louisville circa 2005, when they were a glorified CUSA all star team.

West Virginia is not the program they used to be obviously and that was destined to happen after they moved to a conference that is structured for midwest and southwest teams.  Now you are talking out of your ass blinky.  Louisville has had their moments though few and far between but they do have Fiesta, Orange and Sugar bowl wins.  It's ok for a school that nearly cancelled football in 1984 when the coach donated his $40k a year salary back to the program.


Man, I've seen a lot of far out sports takes on message boards, but this one takes the cake. 

The new Big 12 can't possibly pick up where the revamped Big East left off, because the revamped Big East had such powerhouse programs as West Virginia, Louisville, Rutgers, UConn, USF, and Cincinnati?

Man, this is just getting bizarre. Clearly you have painted yourself into a corner, but can't bring yourself to admit it. 

I'm outta here.
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#76
(11-29-2021, 02:32 PM)Blinky Wrote:
(11-29-2021, 02:13 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-29-2021, 02:04 PM)Blinky Wrote:
(11-29-2021, 02:00 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-29-2021, 01:38 PM)Blinky Wrote: I was comparing their stint in the Big East to their stint in the Big 12. 

In the Big East they were nothing special until Miami and Virginia Tech left, then they remained good until they joined the Big 12, then they reverted back to their original Big East days of being good but not great when they joined the Big 12. Soon they will get a lot better again, now that Texas and Oklahoma are out of the picture. 

Look, I get that you are a Louisville fan, but the revamped Big East as some sort of formidable Conference is a strange hill for you to die on. The new Big 12 will be similarly situated to the revamped Big East, only much better from top to bottom, as evidenced by the far superior P5:G5:FCS composition ratio. 8:4:0 compared to 4:3:1. 

This conversation is ludicrous.

I didn't say the Big East circa 2005 was formidable. I said it was better as a conference than what the Big 12 is about to become and it was within the landscape of college football at that time.  Louisville and West Virginia were better then than anybody in the Big 12 after OU moves on. There will be no contenders for a national title in the new Big 12.


West Virginia is in the new Big 12, and they have multiple teams that are better than Louisville. Particularly Louisville circa 2005, when they were a glorified CUSA all star team.

West Virginia is not the program they used to be obviously and that was destined to happen after they moved to a conference that is structured for midwest and southwest teams.  Now you are talking out of your ass blinky.  Louisville has had their moments though few and far between but they do have Fiesta, Orange and Sugar bowl wins.  It's ok for a school that nearly cancelled football in 1984 when the coach donated his $40k a year salary back to the program.


Man, I've seen a lot of far out sports takes on message boards, but this one takes the cake. 

The new Big 12 can't possibly pick up where the revamped Big East left off, because the revamped Big East had such powerhouse programs as West Virginia, Louisville, Rutgers, UConn, USF, and Cincinnati?

Man, this is just getting bizarre. Clearly you have painted yourself into a corner, but can't bring yourself to admit it. 

I'm outta here.

You are rejecting facts.  Those teams were in the running for national titles and were in the top 10.  I doubt you remember much about it while it was going on 15 years ago.  What the Big 12 is turning into with Baylor and Okie State as the powerhouses is barely good enough to call itself P5.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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#77
(11-29-2021, 02:38 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-29-2021, 02:32 PM)Blinky Wrote:
(11-29-2021, 02:13 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-29-2021, 02:04 PM)Blinky Wrote:
(11-29-2021, 02:00 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: I didn't say the Big East circa 2005 was formidable. I said it was better as a conference than what the Big 12 is about to become and it was within the landscape of college football at that time.  Louisville and West Virginia were better then than anybody in the Big 12 after OU moves on. There will be no contenders for a national title in the new Big 12.


West Virginia is in the new Big 12, and they have multiple teams that are better than Louisville. Particularly Louisville circa 2005, when they were a glorified CUSA all star team.

West Virginia is not the program they used to be obviously and that was destined to happen after they moved to a conference that is structured for midwest and southwest teams.  Now you are talking out of your ass blinky.  Louisville has had their moments though few and far between but they do have Fiesta, Orange and Sugar bowl wins.  It's ok for a school that nearly cancelled football in 1984 when the coach donated his $40k a year salary back to the program.


Man, I've seen a lot of far out sports takes on message boards, but this one takes the cake. 

The new Big 12 can't possibly pick up where the revamped Big East left off, because the revamped Big East had such powerhouse programs as West Virginia, Louisville, Rutgers, UConn, USF, and Cincinnati?

Man, this is just getting bizarre. Clearly you have painted yourself into a corner, but can't bring yourself to admit it. 

I'm outta here.

You are rejecting facts.  Those teams were in the running for national titles and were in the top 10.  I doubt you remember much about it while it was going on 15 years ago.  What the Big 12 is turning into with Baylor and Okie State as the powerhouses is barely good enough to call itself P5.
Baylor finished #5 in the CFP poll in 2014 and is in the top 10 this year. OKState has a pretty good chance to make the CFP this year if they win the B12 championship, and should have played LSU for the championship in 2011, or whenever that was. Seems pretty comparable to me. Both conferences had a couple of teams that had random years where they were really good. Both are and were not on par with the other P5, but they were clearly above the G5 conferences. I'd say the new B12 is probably still comparable with the P12 and the ACC.
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#78
(11-29-2021, 12:07 PM)wydileie Wrote:
(11-29-2021, 11:58 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: It could be a stunningly beautiful place but even with money there the nasty is all around. The air is filthy and so are the streets and beaches. Malibu is effing gross, disgusting. He'll have to got to USC daily and that is god awful around there. 
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpatch.com%2Fcalifornia%2Fmalibu%2Fmalibu-declares-local-emergency-over-homeless-encampments&psig=AOvVaw0ur-maPccTwE92dUv2SKjx&ust=1638291420112000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAkQjhxqFwoTCOi2pa6FvvQCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD

Maybe Malibu has gone downhill since I was last there, but Santa Barbara is far removed from the LA influence (and smog). Denying SoCal is a beautiful place is simply laughable, and I say that as someone who despises their politics.
Santa Barbara is like 2 hours up the coast from LA. 
USC under Riley is going to own Cali recruiting. Mario Cristobal at Oregon has to be pissed, he just got kneecapped in recruiting-the Ducks were the “it” team on the West Coast for the past several years. Not anymore
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#79
(11-29-2021, 11:00 PM)stxbuck Wrote: USC under Riley is going to own Cali recruiting. Mario Cristobal at Oregon has to be pissed, he just got kneecapped in recruiting-the Ducks were the “it” team on the West Coast for the past several years. Not anymore

This is 100% true. Oregon has owned California recruiting the last few years...that will definitely change with Riley now in town
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#80
SC will almost immediately be back in the hunt for a conference title and be back in the rankings.  Will they have the type of success they had under McKay, Robinson, and Carroll when they were among the top 2 or 3 programs?  I still don't see that in the current climate in California.  They will be a much better program though.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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#81
The Pac 12 set it up so that USC and Oregon could cake walk through their divisions every year to the CCG.

For either of them to not make it to Vegas is akin to striking out in tee ball.
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#82
(11-30-2021, 10:38 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: SC will almost immediately be back in the hunt for a conference title and be back in the rankings.  Will they have the type of success they had under McKay, Robinson, and Carroll when they were among the top 2 or 3 programs?  I still don't see that in the current climate in California.  They will be a much better program though.

It all depends on if Riley can keep the best in state and poach nationally. TX/GA/FL.

I would like USC to be relevant again.
DC is a symptom, not the cause. The cause is basic voter stupidity and economic ignorance.
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#83
The Big 12 without OU and TX is just a level above the AAC. The Big 8/SWC best teams are no longer part of the Big 12. Arkansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Texas are gone. If Missouri returned to the Big 12 it would be one of the top 5 programs. That's how bad the conference will be without the original power programs. Eventually the Big 12 will dissolve and most of the teams will join the PAC12 or be independent. Some drop to G5 too.

The 5 power conferences are going to end up 4.
DC is a symptom, not the cause. The cause is basic voter stupidity and economic ignorance.
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#84
(11-30-2021, 12:19 PM)lrrps21 Wrote: The Big 12 without OU and TX is just a level above the AAC.


That was kind of true initially, until they poached the top three teams from the AAC which widened the gap quite a bit.
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