The "tree of knowledge" explained

[Hightop77]

You are not responding to what I wrote and just reciting your inaccurate template.  Just trolling.

I responded to everything you said. I just think you don't want to look any deeper.

No, you actually didn't.  What you typed above in bold is irrational gibberish.  In one sentence you acknowledge everyone is condemned which is true but then go on to say children are good.  Do you not see how contradicting that is?  If children are good, why are they condemned?  I am the one who doesn't want to look any deeper?  Your comments on this subject have no depth at all.  It's just emotionalism.

I should have said that I acknowledge that, according to the bible, children are all condemned at birth. I was simply acknowledging the common Christian belief, or at least your belief. The bigger point is that children don't have to be condemned at birth. They are because that is the choice that God made.

No it is the choice Adam made.

[P1tchblack]

You are not responding to what I wrote and just reciting your inaccurate template.  Just trolling.

I responded to everything you said. I just think you don't want to look any deeper.

No, you actually didn't.  What you typed above in bold is irrational gibberish.  In one sentence you acknowledge everyone is condemned which is true but then go on to say children are good.  Do you not see how contradicting that is?  If children are good, why are they condemned?  I am the one who doesn't want to look any deeper?  Your comments on this subject have no depth at all.  It's just emotionalism.

I should have said that I acknowledge that, according to the bible, children are all condemned at birth. I was simply acknowledging the common Christian belief, or at least your belief. The bigger point is that children don't have to be condemned at birth. They are because that is the choice that God made.

No it is the choice Adam made.

Adam made the choice to eat the fruit. God made the choice on what the consequence would be.  It wasn't just a universal truth that all humans would be condemned at conception from that point forward.

[K9Buck]

I came across this.

Romans 8:18
English Standard Version
Future Glory
18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time (A)are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.

[Hightop77]

I responded to everything you said. I just think you don't want to look any deeper.

No, you actually didn't.  What you typed above in bold is irrational gibberish.  In one sentence you acknowledge everyone is condemned which is true but then go on to say children are good.  Do you not see how contradicting that is?  If children are good, why are they condemned?  I am the one who doesn't want to look any deeper?  Your comments on this subject have no depth at all.  It's just emotionalism.

I should have said that I acknowledge that, according to the bible, children are all condemned at birth. I was simply acknowledging the common Christian belief, or at least your belief. The bigger point is that children don't have to be condemned at birth. They are because that is the choice that God made.

No it is the choice Adam made.

Adam made the choice to eat the fruit. God made the choice on what the consequence would be.  It wasn't just a universal truth that all humans would be condemned at conception from that point forward.

"From that point forward"? What does that even mean in this context?  The bottom line is you want certain evils removed from the world.  Who are you to pick and choose which ones are removed?

[P1tchblack]

No, you actually didn't.  What you typed above in bold is irrational gibberish.  In one sentence you acknowledge everyone is condemned which is true but then go on to say children are good.  Do you not see how contradicting that is?  If children are good, why are they condemned?  I am the one who doesn't want to look any deeper?  Your comments on this subject have no depth at all.  It's just emotionalism.

I should have said that I acknowledge that, according to the bible, children are all condemned at birth. I was simply acknowledging the common Christian belief, or at least your belief. The bigger point is that children don't have to be condemned at birth. They are because that is the choice that God made.

No it is the choice Adam made.

Adam made the choice to eat the fruit. God made the choice on what the consequence would be.  It wasn't just a universal truth that all humans would be condemned at conception from that point forward.

"From that point forward"? What does that even mean in this context?

From the moment Adam at the fruit, we were all condemned at conception.

  The bottom line is you want certain evils removed from the world.  Who are you to pick and choose which ones are removed?

Again, it's not about what I want.  It's about the claims about your god, made in the Bible, and the fact that they don't translate into reality. Your god created rules that make it ok punish children and people who had virtually no chance of believing in the "correct" god.

[Hightop77]

I should have said that I acknowledge that, according to the bible, children are all condemned at birth. I was simply acknowledging the common Christian belief, or at least your belief. The bigger point is that children don't have to be condemned at birth. They are because that is the choice that God made.

No it is the choice Adam made.

Adam made the choice to eat the fruit. God made the choice on what the consequence would be.  It wasn't just a universal truth that all humans would be condemned at conception from that point forward.

"From that point forward"? What does that even mean in this context?

From the moment Adam at the fruit, we were all condemned at conception.


Yes, that is biblical.

  The bottom line is you want certain evils removed from the world.  Who are you to pick and choose which ones are removed?

Again, it's not about what I want.  It's about the claims about your god, made in the Bible, and the fact that they don't translate into reality. Your god created rules that make it ok punish children and people who had virtually no chance of believing in the "correct" god.


That is hogwash and the Bible addresses it and why man is without excuses which you choose to ignore. 

[P1tchblack]

No it is the choice Adam made.

Adam made the choice to eat the fruit. God made the choice on what the consequence would be.  It wasn't just a universal truth that all humans would be condemned at conception from that point forward.

"From that point forward"? What does that even mean in this context?

From the moment Adam at the fruit, we were all condemned at conception.


Yes, that is biblical.

  The bottom line is you want certain evils removed from the world.  Who are you to pick and choose which ones are removed?

Again, it's not about what I want.  It's about the claims about your god, made in the Bible, and the fact that they don't translate into reality. Your god created rules that make it ok punish children and people who had virtually no chance of believing in the "correct" god.


That is hogwash and the Bible addresses it and why man is without excuses which you choose to ignore. 

The fact that the Bible addresses something, doesn't suddenly make it right. Watching children being abused, raped, starve, etc because YOU made a rule that forces you to do nothing, is not the action of an all-loving, fatherly being.  It's the action of a psychopath.

[Hightop77]

Adam made the choice to eat the fruit. God made the choice on what the consequence would be.  It wasn't just a universal truth that all humans would be condemned at conception from that point forward.

"From that point forward"? What does that even mean in this context?

From the moment Adam at the fruit, we were all condemned at conception.


Yes, that is biblical.

  The bottom line is you want certain evils removed from the world.  Who are you to pick and choose which ones are removed?

Again, it's not about what I want.  It's about the claims about your god, made in the Bible, and the fact that they don't translate into reality. Your god created rules that make it ok punish children and people who had virtually no chance of believing in the "correct" god.


That is hogwash and the Bible addresses it and why man is without excuses which you choose to ignore. 

The fact that the Bible addresses something, doesn't suddenly make it right. Watching children being abused, raped, starve, etc because YOU made a rule that forces you to do nothing, is not the action of an all-loving, fatherly being.  It's the action of a psychopath.

You asked a question in the context of Christianity.  The question has been answered in that context.  Your personal moral standards and the standards of the world are irrelevant.  The human condition is not fixed by trying to be moral.

[P1tchblack]

"From that point forward"? What does that even mean in this context?

From the moment Adam at the fruit, we were all condemned at conception.


Yes, that is biblical.

  The bottom line is you want certain evils removed from the world.  Who are you to pick and choose which ones are removed?

Again, it's not about what I want.  It's about the claims about your god, made in the Bible, and the fact that they don't translate into reality. Your god created rules that make it ok punish children and people who had virtually no chance of believing in the "correct" god.


That is hogwash and the Bible addresses it and why man is without excuses which you choose to ignore. 

The fact that the Bible addresses something, doesn't suddenly make it right. Watching children being abused, raped, starve, etc because YOU made a rule that forces you to do nothing, is not the action of an all-loving, fatherly being.  It's the action of a psychopath.

You asked a question in the context of Christianity.  The question has been answered in that context.  Your personal moral standards and the standards of the world are irrelevant.  The human condition is not fixed by trying to be moral.

I made a statement that God watches terrible things happen to children and does nothing about it.  There is no context; that is a fact.  It's also a fact that, according the Bible, the majority of those children will end up in hell for eternity because they believe in the wrong god.

[Blinky]

I saw God once when I was in College, with the aid of some potent hallucinogens.

[Hightop77]

The fact that the Bible addresses something, doesn't suddenly make it right. Watching children being abused, raped, starve, etc because YOU made a rule that forces you to do nothing, is not the action of an all-loving, fatherly being.  It's the action of a psychopath.

You asked a question in the context of Christianity.  The question has been answered in that context.  Your personal moral standards and the standards of the world are irrelevant.  The human condition is not fixed by trying to be moral.

I made a statement that God watches terrible things happen to children and does nothing about it.  There is no context; that is a fact.  It's also a fact that, according the Bible, the majority of those children will end up in hell for eternity because they believe in the wrong god.

I tried.  Not my fault that you don't get it.  Insurmountable ignorance.

[3rdgensooner]

I saw God once when I was in College, with the aid of some potent hallucinogens.

That or schizophrenia are basically the only ways to see gods.

[wydileie]

I made a statement that God watches terrible things happen to children and does nothing about it.  There is no context; that is a fact.  It's also a fact that, according the Bible, the majority of those children will end up in hell for eternity because they believe in the wrong god.

Yet you are unable to answer how we can have free will, and God can stop some arbitrary list of crimes you feel he should stop. They are not compatible. Either we are puppets and we live in a perfect world, ala the angels, or we are our own people and evil exists, you have to pick one.

[3rdgensooner]

I made a statement that God watches terrible things happen to children and does nothing about it.  There is no context; that is a fact.  It's also a fact that, according the Bible, the majority of those children will end up in hell for eternity because they believe in the wrong god.

Yet you are unable to answer how we can have free will, and God can stop some arbitrary list of crimes you feel he should stop. They are not compatible. Either we are puppets and we live in a perfect world, ala the angels, or we are our own people and evil exists, you have to pick one.

No you don't. If I'm all powerful I can give people free will and make them completely nice and have no evil.  Why does a baby die a painful death from cancer? Free will? WTF. This stuff is just bizarre. 
Why do animals suffer? I wouldn't create such a world you'd have to be complete scum to do that on purpose.

[wydileie]

I made a statement that God watches terrible things happen to children and does nothing about it.  There is no context; that is a fact.  It's also a fact that, according the Bible, the majority of those children will end up in hell for eternity because they believe in the wrong god.

Yet you are unable to answer how we can have free will, and God can stop some arbitrary list of crimes you feel he should stop. They are not compatible. Either we are puppets and we live in a perfect world, ala the angels, or we are our own people and evil exists, you have to pick one.

No you don't. If I'm all powerful I can give people free will and make them completely nice and have no evil.  Why does a baby die a painful death from cancer? Free will? WTF. This stuff is just bizarre. 
Why do animals suffer? I wouldn't create such a world you'd have to be complete scum to do that on purpose.

How do people have free will if they are unable to choose anything but the right path? That's a silly thing to say. That's called being puppets. 

God created beings with free will. The world that developed from that is results of our own choices, not God's. We brought evil on ourselves by being evil.