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(07-24-2021, 08:39 AM)dunefan Wrote: You can still bring it home to them even when they are vaccinated. Have you missed that part? It's been in the news for weeks. Some vaccinated folks are still catching and dying from this scourge. Please explain how this is a false choice.
So then why bother with a vaccine? If anything that makes the case for the vaccine even weaker. Â
Look, vaccines work. I don't and won't dispute that. If ya want one get one. If ya don't you should not be forced into getting one.
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(07-24-2021, 10:42 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote: (07-24-2021, 08:39 AM)dunefan Wrote: You can still bring it home to them even when they are vaccinated. Have you missed that part? It's been in the news for weeks. Some vaccinated folks are still catching and dying from this scourge. Please explain how this is a false choice.
So then why bother with a vaccine? If anything that makes the case for the vaccine even weaker. Â
Look, vaccines work. I don't and won't dispute that. If ya want one get one. If ya don't you should not be forced into getting one. No one will be forced to get one. But there is no rational reason not to get one.
Given the documented dangers of Covid, the documented safeness of the vaccine and knowing that the Covid vaccine has been more effective than expected (95%), why wouldn't you get one?
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(07-24-2021, 07:30 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (07-24-2021, 07:21 AM)Beastdog Wrote: (07-24-2021, 07:15 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: In an average year, there are about 7,000 documented deaths from seasonal flu.
If there were 500,000 deaths/year, I suspect people would be lining up for the seasonal flu vaccine Stay away from numbers, pitch, or any kind of data. There are WAY more deaths from seasonal flu than what you stated.
What I said was there are about 7k DOCUMENTED deaths.
Maybe you should get a little closer to English. My proximity to numbers probably isn't the issue. Where does 7k come out of this data from the CDC? Do you know what "95% U I" means? I don't see any numbers there in 4 digits, for ANY year.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html
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(07-24-2021, 07:38 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: That is correct. Flu numbers are an estimate. COVID numbers are based on far harder data.Â
I have yet to hear any cogent or rational reason to not get vaccinated. I donâ€t expect to since none exist aside from already having had COVID. Hey pitch, er I mean 3rdgen, the CDC does keep data for flu deaths. A big "BS" on their COVID numbers being any more accurate than their flu numbers.Â
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html
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(07-24-2021, 11:15 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: No one will be forced to get one. But there is no rational reason not to get one.
I hope you're right, but I suspect a gradual boxing in over time where I will eventually be forced to. I can totally see it eventually becoming a condition for employment. etc... Â
As for the rationality, perhaps. I'm not overly concerned about the odds though. Folks just need to concern themselves with themselves and their families. The vaccine is available. It's there for people to make use of. I can't control what Bob down the street does. That's Bob's deal.
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(07-24-2021, 10:42 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote: (07-24-2021, 08:39 AM)dunefan Wrote: You can still bring it home to them even when they are vaccinated. Have you missed that part? It's been in the news for weeks. Some vaccinated folks are still catching and dying from this scourge. Please explain how this is a false choice.
So then why bother with a vaccine? If anything that makes the case for the vaccine even weaker. Â
Look, vaccines work. I don't and won't dispute that. If ya want one get one. If ya don't you should not be forced into getting one.
"It might be the right thing for you, but it doesn†t apply for me.  The vulnerable in my family are vaccinated."
If you read my reply to your quote above and understand what I wrote you will see and admit your refusal to vaccinate can and may affect your family. It DOES apply to you. You just don't care. That's your right but don't try to justify your refusal to vaccinate by using your "vulnerable" loved ones who are vaccinated as an excuse for you to be obtuse. Your life, your choice. I hope you don't experience or pass on this illness. You'll be very lucky if you don't.
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Seems like what is happening.
DC is a symptom, not the cause. The cause is basic voter stupidity and economic ignorance.
(07-24-2021, 11:55 AM)Beastdog Wrote: (07-24-2021, 07:30 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (07-24-2021, 07:21 AM)Beastdog Wrote: (07-24-2021, 07:15 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: In an average year, there are about 7,000 documented deaths from seasonal flu.
If there were 500,000 deaths/year, I suspect people would be lining up for the seasonal flu vaccine Stay away from numbers, pitch, or any kind of data. There are WAY more deaths from seasonal flu than what you stated.
What I said was there are about 7k DOCUMENTED deaths.
Maybe you should get a little closer to English. My proximity to numbers probably isn't the issue. Where does 7k come out of this data from the CDC? Do you know what "95% U I" means? I don't see any numbers there in 4 digits, for ANY year.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html
That's because you're looking at estimates.
Here's how the CDC estimates seasonal flu deaths
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/how...imates.htm
If you want the actual deaths, not estimated, you can go here and click on Downloads to get the raw data:
https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html
So, 2014 had 4,485 documented seasonal flu deaths:
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(07-24-2021, 11:57 AM)Beastdog Wrote: (07-24-2021, 07:38 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: That is correct. Flu numbers are an estimate. COVID numbers are based on far harder data.Â
I have yet to hear any cogent or rational reason to not get vaccinated. I donâ€t expect to since none exist aside from already having had COVID. Hey pitch, er I mean 3rdgen, the CDC does keep data for flu deaths. A big "BS" on their COVID numbers being any more accurate than their flu numbers.Â
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html Data on flu and flu deaths is based upon a statistical equation and not actual positive cases from reported test results. Ohio for example does not even report flu unless it results in a hospitalization which I think is just idiotic.
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(07-24-2021, 01:41 PM)Sanitarian2 Wrote: (07-24-2021, 11:57 AM)Beastdog Wrote: (07-24-2021, 07:38 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: That is correct. Flu numbers are an estimate. COVID numbers are based on far harder data.Â
I have yet to hear any cogent or rational reason to not get vaccinated. I donâ€t expect to since none exist aside from already having had COVID. Hey pitch, er I mean 3rdgen, the CDC does keep data for flu deaths. A big "BS" on their COVID numbers being any more accurate than their flu numbers.Â
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html Data on flu and flu deaths is based upon a statistical equation and not actual positive cases from reported test results. Ohio for example does not even report flu unless it results in a hospitalization which I think is just idiotic. Thank you.Â
Far less solid data than COVID cases/deaths.
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(07-23-2021, 06:58 PM)zigbee Wrote: (07-23-2021, 06:10 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: (07-23-2021, 03:43 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (07-23-2021, 03:30 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Bad information has swirled around this thing since the very start of it. Â The news media and election year politicians saw an opportunity to turn it all political and they pounced. Â Fauci himself should be shouldering a lot of the blame here as well. Â One mixed message after another. Â I lost count a year ago
The effectiveness and safeness of the vaccine isn't biased or political.Â
If you're concerned about getting the vaccine, it's because you are being fed bad information.
Iâ€m not concerned about getting the vaccine at all.  Iâ€m just also not the least bit concerned about the situation in general.  If you want the vaccine by all means get it.  No one is putting a chip in you.  The vaccines do what they do.  They mostly work.  If youâ€re over 60 you should probably get it.  If youâ€re a fat, greasy, disgusting pile of sh1t, regardless of age, you should probably get it as wellÂ
Regarding Fox News Iâ€ve seen nothing but responsible reporting about Covid.  The fact they treat their viewers like adults shouldnâ€t be confused with spreading “misinformation.†Yes, Siesta should be vaccinated.  Agree You spelled total lobotomy wrong.
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