(08-11-2021, 06:56 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: This whole thing is a cluster****.
One side says subpoenas are being ignored.
The other side says that $3 million worth of voting machines are ruined.
One side talking about being transparent is trying to keep audit files a secret.
The company doing the audit has failed to turn information over to Congress.
Itâ€s nothing but political theatre to strengthen arguments that voter laws need reformed and maybe spark more states to do the same.Â
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Yep. This is what happens when a significant portion of the population believe the blathering of a liar like Trump and accept as fact anything they see on Facebook, OAN, Gateway Pundit, etc.
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(08-11-2021, 10:22 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: (08-11-2021, 10:18 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-11-2021, 10:12 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: Keep wiggling on the hook. It won't make you know what you are talking about, but it may make you feel better. You'd be better off backing away and reloading with some 'small hat' and 'black folk' posts.
Too funny. So you have people motivated and with the means to cheat being audited by people motivated to find out how they cheated. Why aren't you good with that instead of trying to sidetrack the main issue with technical administrivia? See my answer to Syncro above.Â
I wouldn't trust Dave to do an audit for me, because he definitely isn't a details person. But if I needed to sell ice cubes to the Eskimo's, I'm sending him and not 3GS. 3GS would just piss them off and no sales occurs. Dave closes that deal.
It's the same concept here. I want the truth at the end of the process, but I have to recognize that the means being used aren't going to give people what answers they are looking for.
If at the end of the audit they have a reasonable confidence level in their results, I think it has to be considered as closer to the truth than the original election results. There are already numerous statistical anomalies that are very suspicious. Let the process play out and then question what they did. We already know the media position is every bit as partisan as anyone on the GOP side. Nothing is going to change the official results even if states decertify and then switch to Trump. THEN you will no longer see a weak complacent Supreme Court. They will quickly come in and "rescue democracy" for the Democrats.
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If they report on their expertise and express concerns about Arizona's handling, then I think they need to be given broad voice. I am concerned that the Arizona Senate leader is going to attempt to extrapolate what they find into a much larger 'find', without the requisite evidence, and thus blow the level of credibility they bring to the table. She's shown indications that she could very well do this.
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Add Dan Crenshaw to the RINO list. He announced the election wasnâ€t stolen.
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(08-12-2021, 04:05 PM)Georgem80 Wrote: Add Dan Crenshaw to the RINO list. He announced the election wasnâ€t stolen.Â
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"There's certain cities with problems, but don't kid yourself into believing that's why we lost. It's not. It's not," Crenshaw said.
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Someone needs to give Dan some math training. He is as skilled at it as the dummy pitchblack. 45k votes in 3 States was the difference between a Trump win and a Sleepy Joe victory. That is not "hundreds of thousands of votes." Sounds like he is a dumbass.
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(08-11-2021, 10:23 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: (08-11-2021, 10:20 AM)davebucknut Wrote: (08-11-2021, 10:17 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: (08-11-2021, 10:13 AM)Syncro Wrote: (08-11-2021, 10:05 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: I've worked with KPMG on Financial Audits for 15 years, which would be the equivalent of an election audit.
I've worked with a number of 'Cyber Ninja' type companies for 10 years on Penetration/Vulnerability testing.
You don't know what you are talking about here.
Serious question: If there is no FULL paper trail then a firm like KPMG would pretty much be useless in this situation, correct?
The cyber-type companies are really the only ones who can provide insight as to what is happening within the machines, provided they have proper access to the machines.
There is a reason every state in question is fighting like hell to not provide that access... I'm not saying that Cyber Ninja has no role here. I'm saying that their role is not an 'audit' of the election process.
They have expertise, according to their website anyway, with regards to vulnerability testing which I spoke of earlier, and to manipulation of the machines from unauthorized or even 'authorized' sources. THAT information could tell a story, but it's not going to tell a complete story. For example, they may be able to tell that there were X attempts during the night of Nov 4, 2020 to access the machines, and this was changed in the software or that was accessed. Â
What they can't tell anyone is the actual impact of any of that. Whether there was no actual vote impact or significant impact that could potentially affect an election. They aren't auditing the election process they and a team of contractors hired by the state of Arizona are combing through every but of information regarding the ballots and vote tallies.
In this subject you are woefully ignorant of what exactly AZ is doing.
Why shouldn't ever ballot be reviewed and every registered voter be verified as being lawful?
Why are you against this?
Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk I never said I was against it. I said that Cyber Ninja's work isn't going to give you what you are looking for. Quite honestly no audit that under any circumstances will give me what I want, because our nation is corrupt to the core, so no amount of evidence will ever change anything.
They could find 500k totally obviously fake ballots and nothing will happen.
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(08-12-2021, 05:18 PM)davebucknut Wrote: (08-11-2021, 10:23 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: (08-11-2021, 10:20 AM)davebucknut Wrote: (08-11-2021, 10:17 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: (08-11-2021, 10:13 AM)Syncro Wrote: Serious question: If there is no FULL paper trail then a firm like KPMG would pretty much be useless in this situation, correct?
The cyber-type companies are really the only ones who can provide insight as to what is happening within the machines, provided they have proper access to the machines.
There is a reason every state in question is fighting like hell to not provide that access... I'm not saying that Cyber Ninja has no role here. I'm saying that their role is not an 'audit' of the election process.
They have expertise, according to their website anyway, with regards to vulnerability testing which I spoke of earlier, and to manipulation of the machines from unauthorized or even 'authorized' sources. THAT information could tell a story, but it's not going to tell a complete story. For example, they may be able to tell that there were X attempts during the night of Nov 4, 2020 to access the machines, and this was changed in the software or that was accessed. Â
What they can't tell anyone is the actual impact of any of that. Whether there was no actual vote impact or significant impact that could potentially affect an election. They aren't auditing the election process they and a team of contractors hired by the state of Arizona are combing through every but of information regarding the ballots and vote tallies.
In this subject you are woefully ignorant of what exactly AZ is doing.
Why shouldn't ever ballot be reviewed and every registered voter be verified as being lawful?
Why are you against this?
Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk I never said I was against it. I said that Cyber Ninja's work isn't going to give you what you are looking for. Quite honestly no audit that under any circumstances will give me what I want, because our nation is corrupt to the core, so no amount of evidence will ever change anything.
They could find 500k totally obviously fake ballots and nothing will happen.
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(08-12-2021, 05:32 PM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: Sadly IÂ believe this to be true and what I believe.
Of course you believe this, because it is true.
As has been said, if Biden won so overwhelmingly his handlers would be the first people at a microphone beating their chest about how dominate they were.
We ALL know that didn't happen. Anyone dumb enough to believe so deserves to have a .45 to the forehead.
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(08-12-2021, 04:05 PM)Georgem80 Wrote: Add Dan Crenshaw to the RINO list. He announced the election wasnâ€t stolen.Â
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He can't see well, so he gets a pass...
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Benfordâ€s Law...
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(08-19-2021, 06:09 PM)K9Buck Wrote: I guess we'll see.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08...hattering/
"...Jovan Pulitzer told Joe Hoft this morning the results of the audit will be earth-shattering!"
I suspect some crazy stuff went on (in all the swing states). I suspect fraud was committed on multiple levels from constitutional violations, to the utter INSANE idea of unsolicited mail-in ballots, to actual ballot fraud, to some funky stuff going on with the machines. Now will there be smoking gun proof that Donald Trump actually received more legit votes than Biden? Very doubtful. The punch has been spoiled. But it was still a worthwhile thing to do these audits. Ya can't fix something if ya don't know what exactly is broken.
Ya know if Biden led in all those swing states maybe I would entertain the idea that he actually won, but to be behind in every single one on election night, sans Arizona, and to then win every single one? Yeaaahhhhh.... No.
I watched a Facebook Live event that the state of Arizona hosted yesterday in advance of the Cyber Ninjas results. It's pretty interesting to hear people who, unlike CN, actually understand the election policies and procedures and what an actual audit looks like, as opposed to the jackholes at CN who are out ignorantly searching for bamboo ballots from China.
Arizona election officials are noticeably irritated with the time that has been wasted since Nov 3 trying to appease the internet trolls, Trump and his supporters and ready to absolutely wreck the CN report. I will enjoy every minute of it.
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