(07-29-2021, 09:16 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (07-29-2021, 09:12 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (07-29-2021, 08:51 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (07-29-2021, 08:48 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (07-29-2021, 08:18 AM)lrrps21 Wrote: It's become Populism vs Socialism. The left does not want populism because it used it to get Ozero elected. Trump beat them at their own game by using populism to get elected. Now, the left has turned to socialism. This is why we have a jan 6 committee. It's sole purpose is to 'impeach' Trump for a 3rd time. The left hopes it will cause enough folks to turn on Trump/populism. That's not happening.
I would love to hear all the Dems that support socialism.
We have gone from one Dem that openly embraces socialism (Sanders) to many others including AOC and her crew. Whether the majority of Democrats admit to being socialists is irrelevant. Follow their policy ideas instead. Even if they aren't textbook socialism they are clearly Marxists in nature and leaning toward socialism. Bernie Sanders isn't even true socialist.
Few people are "true" socialists or communists or capitalists. That isn't the point. Government redistributing wealth is an aspect of socialism and you implying we should not use the term socialism unless something is textbook pure socialism is just intellectual dishonesty. You realize that our government has been redistributing wealth for decades... and has never once even approached the fringes of socialism.
So, again, there are NO current democrats, much less the entire party, who are proposing socialism, right?
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(07-29-2021, 10:37 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (07-29-2021, 09:16 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (07-29-2021, 09:12 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (07-29-2021, 08:51 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (07-29-2021, 08:48 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: I would love to hear all the Dems that support socialism.
We have gone from one Dem that openly embraces socialism (Sanders) to many others including AOC and her crew. Whether the majority of Democrats admit to being socialists is irrelevant. Follow their policy ideas instead. Even if they aren't textbook socialism they are clearly Marxists in nature and leaning toward socialism. Bernie Sanders isn't even true socialist.
Few people are "true" socialists or communists or capitalists. That isn't the point. Government redistributing wealth is an aspect of socialism and you implying we should not use the term socialism unless something is textbook pure socialism is just intellectual dishonesty. You realize that our government has been redistributing wealth for decades... and has never once even approached the fringes of socialism.
So, again, there are NO current democrats, much less the entire party, who are proposing socialism, right?
Defacto socialism isn't much different.
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(07-29-2021, 10:43 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (07-29-2021, 10:37 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (07-29-2021, 09:16 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (07-29-2021, 09:12 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (07-29-2021, 08:51 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: We have gone from one Dem that openly embraces socialism (Sanders) to many others including AOC and her crew. Whether the majority of Democrats admit to being socialists is irrelevant. Follow their policy ideas instead. Even if they aren't textbook socialism they are clearly Marxists in nature and leaning toward socialism. Bernie Sanders isn't even true socialist.
Few people are "true" socialists or communists or capitalists. That isn't the point. Government redistributing wealth is an aspect of socialism and you implying we should not use the term socialism unless something is textbook pure socialism is just intellectual dishonesty. You realize that our government has been redistributing wealth for decades... and has never once even approached the fringes of socialism.
So, again, there are NO current democrats, much less the entire party, who are proposing socialism, right?
Defacto socialism isn't much different.
If that's your position, then you don't know what socialism is.
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(07-29-2021, 10:32 AM)davebucknut Wrote: George admitted to me years ago that it isn't so much trumps policies that he hates, it is the man itself.
Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk No offense to our good friend Georgem80, but that's a low IQ take. And childish.
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(07-29-2021, 09:41 AM)davebucknut Wrote: (07-29-2021, 08:58 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: (07-29-2021, 08:41 AM)Beastdog Wrote: Well, right now Trump IS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. So if you're talking about the "two sides" and you're not placing Trump as one of these sides, your comment is pointless and irrelevant.
Right and Left are the only terms I recognize on the spectrum. The other labels change over time. Simple fact. Center is forming on each side. The idea of moderate right and moderate left is under attack. Progressives feel moderate left are crazy. Others on the right call moderate right silly, childish names like RINO.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I feel like I am center right and hardly extreme in my views at all.
Yet for some reason lefties always want to call me and/or people like me "far right".
Sorry but far right people don't marry immigrants, speak Spanish, have 10 visits to central/s America, couldn't care less about LGBT people living their lives, and have been a guest at multiple gay weddings.
Maybe.... just maybe, we just disagree with socialism and anti white propaganda
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The biggest problem is with your situation, that many on the right don†t agree with you socially. We are not far from each other on the spectrum. Economically more than anything. I want higher taxes across the board. (But cut spending across the board as well) Buzzwords like nationalism/globalism also are a difference. But, I†m quite socially progressive, mostly because I am not bothered how other people live their life.
Idiots are not political exclusive. Sorting through those things and tempering your reaction is the key to my existence. Most of what we see or hear is political theater or mountain out of mile hill stories. Basically anything too far from what used to center, like the tribalism that exists, turns me off. I audit a leftist dominated site. I get the same treatment from them as here.
I am a free agent as usual in my elections. I won†t be held to all one letter or all the other letter. I pity those that do that. Currently, I am trying to use my houses in Warren to get residency in Ohio (easier than you think) to vote for a former teammate in the 2022 Senate race.
But, I persist with civil discourse and respect.
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(07-29-2021, 10:48 AM)Beastdog Wrote: (07-29-2021, 10:32 AM)davebucknut Wrote: George admitted to me years ago that it isn't so much trumps policies that he hates, it is the man itself.
Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk No offense to our good friend Georgem80, but that's a low IQ take. And childish.
I assure you it†s not low IQ or childish. I vote how I see benefit for me and mine. I won†t be group thought into voting one side vs the others. Put a real intelligent moderate candidate that meets my minimum requirements up and I will consider them regardless of letter. If you can vote against Hillary…..why can†t others vote against Trump?
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(07-29-2021, 10:51 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: (07-29-2021, 10:48 AM)Beastdog Wrote: (07-29-2021, 10:32 AM)davebucknut Wrote: George admitted to me years ago that it isn't so much trumps policies that he hates, it is the man itself.
Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk No offense to our good friend Georgem80, but that's a low IQ take. And childish.
I assure you itâ€s not low IQ or childish. I vote how I see benefit for me and mine.
What specific Trump policies have a negative impact on "you and yours"?
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(07-29-2021, 10:58 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (07-29-2021, 10:51 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: (07-29-2021, 10:48 AM)Beastdog Wrote: (07-29-2021, 10:32 AM)davebucknut Wrote: George admitted to me years ago that it isn't so much trumps policies that he hates, it is the man itself.
Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk No offense to our good friend Georgem80, but that's a low IQ take. And childish.
I assure you itâ€s not low IQ or childish. I vote how I see benefit for me and mine.
What specific Trump policies have a negative impact on "you and yours"? I think the only one he's got is it makes his puzzy hurt when Trump sends out a mean tweet. So he voted for the guy who doesn't make his cha cha hurt.
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(07-29-2021, 10:58 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (07-29-2021, 10:51 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: (07-29-2021, 10:48 AM)Beastdog Wrote: (07-29-2021, 10:32 AM)davebucknut Wrote: George admitted to me years ago that it isn't so much trumps policies that he hates, it is the man itself.
Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk No offense to our good friend Georgem80, but that's a low IQ take. And childish.
I assure you itâ€s not low IQ or childish. I vote how I see benefit for me and mine.
What specific Trump policies have a negative impact on "you and yours"?
Well. Priority one, I wanted to keep my daughter and son on my insurance through their 26th birthday. My daughter needs it, my son doesn†t, but it helps him start his married life with savings.
The positives of ACA like preexisting condition policies, I believe are good things.
So if you were about repeal no replace, I was against that.
Many of my students are DACA, being a good teacher, I don†t care about their immigration status, I just teach and love them. Those students I taught, I†m all about protecting them for the rest of my life.
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(07-29-2021, 11:08 AM)Beastdog Wrote: (07-29-2021, 10:58 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (07-29-2021, 10:51 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: (07-29-2021, 10:48 AM)Beastdog Wrote: (07-29-2021, 10:32 AM)davebucknut Wrote: George admitted to me years ago that it isn't so much trumps policies that he hates, it is the man itself.
Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk No offense to our good friend Georgem80, but that's a low IQ take. And childish.
I assure you itâ€s not low IQ or childish. I vote how I see benefit for me and mine.
What specific Trump policies have a negative impact on "you and yours"? I think the only one he's got is it makes his puzzy hurt when Trump sends out a mean tweet. So he voted for the guy who doesn't make his cha cha hurt.
Nice civil discourse. Are you a sophomore in high school? Truth be told, I didn†t follow his Twitter.
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(07-29-2021, 11:10 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: (07-29-2021, 10:58 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (07-29-2021, 10:51 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: (07-29-2021, 10:48 AM)Beastdog Wrote: (07-29-2021, 10:32 AM)davebucknut Wrote: George admitted to me years ago that it isn't so much trumps policies that he hates, it is the man itself.
Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk No offense to our good friend Georgem80, but that's a low IQ take. And childish.
I assure you itâ€s not low IQ or childish. I vote how I see benefit for me and mine.
What specific Trump policies have a negative impact on "you and yours"?
Well. Priority one, I wanted to keep my daughter and son on my insurance through their 26th birthday. My daughter needs it, my son doesnâ€t, but it helps him start his married life with savings.Â
The positives of ACA like preexisting condition policies, I believe are good things.Â
So if you were about repeal no replace, I was against that.Â
Many of my students are DACA, being a good teacher, I donâ€t care about their immigration status, I just teach and love them. Those students I taught, Iâ€m all about protecting them for the rest of my life.
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I don't know. It just seems to me that carving those items out as reasons to oppose Trump versus all of the positives he brings to the bigger picture seems myopic. I would think you would be more concerned about your children's future in terms of the economy, energy, safety and other important issues. But liberals obviously have a different perspective.
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(07-29-2021, 11:23 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (07-29-2021, 11:10 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: (07-29-2021, 10:58 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (07-29-2021, 10:51 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: (07-29-2021, 10:48 AM)Beastdog Wrote: No offense to our good friend Georgem80, but that's a low IQ take. And childish.
I assure you itâ€s not low IQ or childish. I vote how I see benefit for me and mine.
What specific Trump policies have a negative impact on "you and yours"?
Well. Priority one, I wanted to keep my daughter and son on my insurance through their 26th birthday. My daughter needs it, my son doesnâ€t, but it helps him start his married life with savings.Â
The positives of ACA like preexisting condition policies, I believe are good things.Â
So if you were about repeal no replace, I was against that.Â
Many of my students are DACA, being a good teacher, I donâ€t care about their immigration status, I just teach and love them. Those students I taught, Iâ€m all about protecting them for the rest of my life.
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I don't know. It just seems to me that carving those items out as reasons to oppose Trump versus all of the positives he brings to the bigger picture seems myopic. I would think you would be more concerned about your children's future in terms of the economy, energy, safety and other important issues. But liberals obviously have a different perspective.
I was asked for a specific policy. I never worry about the economy, I†m insulated from its negative effects.
My kids are educated and have followed plans to get decent employment.
Safety? From what boogeyman? In reality, day to day life isn†t affected by the President. We have seen 15 years plus of legislative stalemate….what has anyone done that has made your life better? Bring right of doesn†t make me a liberal. Beware. I†m that free agent voter that both sides need.
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