July 16, 2021 Arizona Election Update

[ScarletHayes]

I mentioned earlier that the moderate center morphed into the swamp.  They only have themselves to blame for how they are viewed.

[P1tchblack]

It's become Populism vs Socialism. The left does not want populism because it used it to get Ozero elected. Trump beat them at their own game by using populism to get elected. Now, the left has turned to socialism. This is why we have a jan 6 committee. It's sole purpose is to 'impeach' Trump for a 3rd time. The left hopes it will cause enough folks to turn on Trump/populism. That's not happening.

I would love to hear all the Dems that support socialism.

We have gone from one Dem that openly embraces socialism (Sanders) to many others including AOC and her crew.  Whether the majority of Democrats admit to being socialists is irrelevant.  Follow their policy ideas instead.  Even if they aren't textbook socialism they are clearly Marxists in nature and leaning toward socialism.

Bernie Sanders isn't even  true socialist.

[Hightop77]

It's become Populism vs Socialism. The left does not want populism because it used it to get Ozero elected. Trump beat them at their own game by using populism to get elected. Now, the left has turned to socialism. This is why we have a jan 6 committee. It's sole purpose is to 'impeach' Trump for a 3rd time. The left hopes it will cause enough folks to turn on Trump/populism. That's not happening.

I would love to hear all the Dems that support socialism.

We have gone from one Dem that openly embraces socialism (Sanders) to many others including AOC and her crew.  Whether the majority of Democrats admit to being socialists is irrelevant.  Follow their policy ideas instead.  Even if they aren't textbook socialism they are clearly Marxists in nature and leaning toward socialism.

Bernie Sanders isn't even  true socialist.

Few people are "true" socialists or communists or capitalists.  That isn't the point.  Government redistributing wealth is an aspect of socialism and you implying we should not use the term socialism unless something is textbook pure socialism is just intellectual dishonesty.

[davebucknut]

Ironically I did in 08.  And had he won we most likely wouldnâ€t be going through this woke revolution that was spawned by the Marxist in a suit.

I voted for him as well. Most likely the Tea Party doesnâ€t form. Pull right then counter pull left. It goes both ways on the political spectrum. One side pulls hard the other side races to the extreme. With the absence of center, this will be the new norm in politics.


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Tea party was a great thing for our country and I wish it had continued.



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[davebucknut]

Ironically I did in 08.  And had he won we most likely wouldnâ€t be going through this woke revolution that was spawned by the Marxist in a suit.

I voted for him as well. Most likely the Tea Party doesnâ€t form.  Pull right then counter pull left.  It goes both ways on the political spectrum.  One side pulls hard the other side races to the extreme. With the absence of center, this will be the new norm in politics.


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Can you please cite some of the "extreme" policies pushed by DJT?

Those tweets man... those tweets.


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[ScarletHayes]

It did, it's called MAGA.

[davebucknut]

Well, right now Trump IS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. So if you're talking about the "two sides" and you're not placing Trump as one of these sides, your comment is pointless and irrelevant.

Right and Left are the only terms I recognize on the spectrum. The other labels change over time. Simple fact. Center is forming on each side. The idea of moderate right and moderate left is under attack. Progressives feel moderate left are crazy. Others on the right call moderate right silly, childish names like RINO.


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I feel like I am center right and hardly extreme in my views at all.

Yet for some reason lefties always want to call me and/or people like me "far right".

Sorry but far right people don't marry immigrants, speak Spanish, have 10 visits to central/s America, couldn't care less about LGBT people living their lives, and have been a guest at multiple gay weddings.

Maybe.... just maybe, we just disagree with socialism and anti white propaganda

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[ScarletHayes]

If you believe in limited govt and the constitution you are now considered to be "far right."  

The social issues have been hijacked by the fanatical left for political purposes (wedge issues that they need to get and keep power).  Most people don't GAS about race and people's personal lives.  That said, when the left attempted to redefine marriage (which they did successfully) people with sense opposed them and then were labeled "far right."  Remember that they told us that slippery slopes don't exist, and things like trannies reading story time to kindergartners would never happen?  Those of you that told us all that, you still rolling your eyes?  Our society has devolved into an ongoing psychopath convention, and yet some people *STILL* have no idea why?  

You can bring a horse to water, but...

[Beastdog]

Did Georgem80 post some examples of extreme views from the Tea Party yet? If so, i must have missed them. How about DJT?

[Hightop77]

Did Georgem80 post some examples of extreme views from the Tea Party yet? If so, i must have missed them. How about DJT?

Is there any doubt he likely swallowed the media talking point that the TP were a bunch of racists and bigots?

[davebucknut]

George admitted to me years ago that it isn't so much trumps policies that he hates, it is the man itself.

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[Georgem80]

Sorry. They donâ€t let you on your phone when going through customs. Actually policy wise the last 15 years, ACA was the only thing done by either side. So itâ€s not like they have legislation to look at. Yea Party used fear mongering to whip up votes against the Dems in 2010. Which was perfect timing because of the census and apportionment. But, policy wise the Tea Party failed in producing anything except a judiciary. So, when you campaign against something, do you really have policy at all?

I mean both ends of the spectrum are saying they defend the constitution.

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[P1tchblack]

It's become Populism vs Socialism. The left does not want populism because it used it to get Ozero elected. Trump beat them at their own game by using populism to get elected. Now, the left has turned to socialism. This is why we have a jan 6 committee. It's sole purpose is to 'impeach' Trump for a 3rd time. The left hopes it will cause enough folks to turn on Trump/populism. That's not happening.

I would love to hear all the Dems that support socialism.

We have gone from one Dem that openly embraces socialism (Sanders) to many others including AOC and her crew.  Whether the majority of Democrats admit to being socialists is irrelevant.  Follow their policy ideas instead.  Even if they aren't textbook socialism they are clearly Marxists in nature and leaning toward socialism.

Bernie Sanders isn't even  true socialist.

Few people are "true" socialists or communists or capitalists.  That isn't the point.  Government redistributing wealth is an aspect of socialism and you implying we should not use the term socialism unless something is textbook pure socialism is just intellectual dishonesty.

You realize that our government has been redistributing wealth for decades... and has never once even approached the fringes of socialism.

So, again, there are NO current democrats, much less the entire party, who are proposing socialism, right?

[Hightop77]

I would love to hear all the Dems that support socialism.

We have gone from one Dem that openly embraces socialism (Sanders) to many others including AOC and her crew.  Whether the majority of Democrats admit to being socialists is irrelevant.  Follow their policy ideas instead.  Even if they aren't textbook socialism they are clearly Marxists in nature and leaning toward socialism.

Bernie Sanders isn't even  true socialist.

Few people are "true" socialists or communists or capitalists.  That isn't the point.  Government redistributing wealth is an aspect of socialism and you implying we should not use the term socialism unless something is textbook pure socialism is just intellectual dishonesty.

You realize that our government has been redistributing wealth for decades... and has never once even approached the fringes of socialism.

So, again, there are NO current democrats, much less the entire party, who are proposing socialism, right?

Defacto socialism isn't much different.

[P1tchblack]

We have gone from one Dem that openly embraces socialism (Sanders) to many others including AOC and her crew.  Whether the majority of Democrats admit to being socialists is irrelevant.  Follow their policy ideas instead.  Even if they aren't textbook socialism they are clearly Marxists in nature and leaning toward socialism.

Bernie Sanders isn't even  true socialist.

Few people are "true" socialists or communists or capitalists.  That isn't the point.  Government redistributing wealth is an aspect of socialism and you implying we should not use the term socialism unless something is textbook pure socialism is just intellectual dishonesty.

You realize that our government has been redistributing wealth for decades... and has never once even approached the fringes of socialism.

So, again, there are NO current democrats, much less the entire party, who are proposing socialism, right?

Defacto socialism isn't much different.

If that's your position, then you don't know what socialism is.