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(06-08-2021, 07:05 PM)K9Buck Wrote: (06-08-2021, 09:39 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: The Chinese are culpable for their response and for their continued behaviors that lead to these situations. They are also stonewalling investigations and engaging in propaganda regarding origins. There should be consequences and payment.Â
 Did they do it on purpose? I can't believe they're that stupid and reckless.
Great points too, 3rd!
And he is right the CCP is not stupid and reckless. But, they are that evil and determined.
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(06-08-2021, 07:02 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Iâ€d still like an answer on why GoF suddenly became a priority 11 days before Trump was sworn in.  I realize just asking that question makes me a “conspiracy theorist,†and this question will go unanswered, but it sure would be nice to know what went on there
Feds lift gain-of-function research pause, offer guidance | CIDRAP (umn.edu)
Lifted Dec. 19, 2017.
That is why these "rumors" and FB memes and whatnot bear checking, carefully, before assuming they are true.
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(06-08-2021, 07:02 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Iâ€d still like an answer on why GoF suddenly became a priority 11 days before Trump was sworn in.  I realize just asking that question makes me a “conspiracy theorist,†and this question will go unanswered, but it sure would be nice to know what went on there I suspect that it had been going on secretly for years and this was their way of making it official.
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It had been going on for years, there was a three year moratorium on funding such research, one that was lifted months AFTER Trump was in office.
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(06-08-2021, 08:17 PM)cincydawg Wrote: It had been going on for years, there was a three year moratorium on funding such research, one that was lifted months AFTER Trump was in office.
I'm going to presume that Trump was unaware of that. Besides, Nancy probably would have shut down the government had anyone objected to funding China's bioweapon research.
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(06-08-2021, 07:15 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (06-08-2021, 07:05 PM)K9Buck Wrote: (06-08-2021, 09:39 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: The Chinese are culpable for their response and for their continued behaviors that lead to these situations. They are also stonewalling investigations and engaging in propaganda regarding origins. There should be consequences and payment.Â
 Did they do it on purpose? I can't believe they're that stupid and reckless.
Great points too, 3rd!
And he is right the CCP is not stupid and reckless. But, they are that evil and determined.
The CCP is, essentially, what the Democrats hope to become minus the concentration camps.
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(06-08-2021, 08:38 PM)K9Buck Wrote: (06-08-2021, 07:15 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (06-08-2021, 07:05 PM)K9Buck Wrote: (06-08-2021, 09:39 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: The Chinese are culpable for their response and for their continued behaviors that lead to these situations. They are also stonewalling investigations and engaging in propaganda regarding origins. There should be consequences and payment.Â
 Did they do it on purpose? I can't believe they're that stupid and reckless.
Great points too, 3rd!
And he is right the CCP is not stupid and reckless. But, they are that evil and determined.
The CCP is, essentially, what the Democrats hope to become minus the concentration camps.
Oh those political prisons will come eventually. Look what they are doing even now to the January 6th protestors. Look how they have already politicized the criminal justice system.
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(06-08-2021, 08:38 PM)K9Buck Wrote: (06-08-2021, 07:15 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (06-08-2021, 07:05 PM)K9Buck Wrote: (06-08-2021, 09:39 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: The Chinese are culpable for their response and for their continued behaviors that lead to these situations. They are also stonewalling investigations and engaging in propaganda regarding origins. There should be consequences and payment.Â
 Did they do it on purpose? I can't believe they're that stupid and reckless.
Great points too, 3rd!
And he is right the CCP is not stupid and reckless. But, they are that evil and determined.
The CCP is, essentially, what the Democrats hope to become minus the concentration camps. The far left will always have some sort of re education camps if they ever get power. You are far too optimistic.
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(06-08-2021, 08:40 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (06-08-2021, 08:38 PM)K9Buck Wrote: (06-08-2021, 07:15 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (06-08-2021, 07:05 PM)K9Buck Wrote: (06-08-2021, 09:39 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: The Chinese are culpable for their response and for their continued behaviors that lead to these situations. They are also stonewalling investigations and engaging in propaganda regarding origins. There should be consequences and payment.Â
 Did they do it on purpose? I can't believe they're that stupid and reckless.
Great points too, 3rd!
And he is right the CCP is not stupid and reckless. But, they are that evil and determined.
The CCP is, essentially, what the Democrats hope to become minus the concentration camps.
Oh those political prisons will come eventually. Look what they are doing even now to the January 6th protestors. Look how they have already politicized the criminal justice system.
You're right. I stand corrected.
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So where did this 11 days before Trump was sworn in rumor originate? Â Maybe something else took place that day and some jackwad messed it up? Â Who knows, but you do no one any favors when you out and out make sh1t up.
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(06-08-2021, 08:44 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: (06-08-2021, 08:38 PM)K9Buck Wrote: (06-08-2021, 07:15 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (06-08-2021, 07:05 PM)K9Buck Wrote: (06-08-2021, 09:39 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: The Chinese are culpable for their response and for their continued behaviors that lead to these situations. They are also stonewalling investigations and engaging in propaganda regarding origins. There should be consequences and payment.Â
 Did they do it on purpose? I can't believe they're that stupid and reckless.
Great points too, 3rd!
And he is right the CCP is not stupid and reckless. But, they are that evil and determined.
The CCP is, essentially, what the Democrats hope to become minus the concentration camps. The far left will always have some sort of re education camps if they ever get power. You are far too optimistic.
You are also right. I was helping the wife with some wallpaper and, evidently, inhaling all that glue impaired my judgment.Â
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(06-08-2021, 07:59 PM)cincydawg Wrote: (06-08-2021, 07:02 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Iâ€d still like an answer on why GoF suddenly became a priority 11 days before Trump was sworn in.  I realize just asking that question makes me a “conspiracy theorist,†and this question will go unanswered, but it sure would be nice to know what went on there
Feds lift gain-of-function research pause, offer guidance | CIDRAP (umn.edu)
Lifted Dec. 19, 2017.
That is why these "rumors" and FB memes and whatnot bear checking, carefully, before assuming they are true. On January 9th 2017 this was released...  In January 2017, the U.S. Government released policy guidance for the review and oversight of research anticipated to create, transfer, or use enhanced PPPs. From the NIH. This appeared to be the offcial guidance policy used for the changes implemented in Dec 2017https://osp.od.nih.gov/biotechnology/gain-of-function-research/
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Whatever the date, was there a reason given for lifting the ban? Â
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(06-08-2021, 08:38 PM)K9Buck Wrote: (06-08-2021, 07:15 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (06-08-2021, 07:05 PM)K9Buck Wrote: (06-08-2021, 09:39 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: The Chinese are culpable for their response and for their continued behaviors that lead to these situations. They are also stonewalling investigations and engaging in propaganda regarding origins. There should be consequences and payment.Â
 Did they do it on purpose? I can't believe they're that stupid and reckless.
Great points too, 3rd!
And he is right the CCP is not stupid and reckless. But, they are that evil and determined.
The CCP is, essentially, what the Democrats hope to become minus the concentration camps. I wouldn't be so sure of that, they've already talked about needing to "re-educate millions of trump voters".
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