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(05-07-2021, 12:37 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (05-07-2021, 12:29 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (05-07-2021, 11:39 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (05-07-2021, 08:23 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (05-06-2021, 08:09 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: And that is probably a 1970 photo.
Those pics aren't really helping your cause. Not being overweight isn't the same as being in shape and muscular.
Tiger's workout routine is acknowledged as being one of a kind in golf.
Baloney. You said Woods introduced weight training to golf. Already told you the PGA had a traveling workout room for the players in 1985. Obviously Gary Player above was doing more than just playing golf 30 years before anyone heard of Tiger Woods. Just admit you are wrong and move on.
Fair enough... Woods made weight/resistance training much more of a norm than it previously was. The two golfers above, I would bet largely, never took weight training seriously like Woods. Not being Lefty fat isn't the same as in shape.
However, we all like to believe that athletes in our generation are better than those before/after, so your reaction is expected.
Two golfers above? It's the same Gary Player on the right just probably 40 year older. He was obviously fitness oriented way before Tiger Woods. I have not commented at all about any generational differences in this thread. I have nothing against Tiger Woods but obviously he has benefited from a lot of hype. He did not invent the game of golf.
I would wager that pound for pound Gary Player was stronger than Tiger in every metric.
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(05-07-2021, 01:29 PM)dunefan Wrote: (05-07-2021, 12:37 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (05-07-2021, 12:29 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (05-07-2021, 11:39 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (05-07-2021, 08:23 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: Those pics aren't really helping your cause. Not being overweight isn't the same as being in shape and muscular.
Tiger's workout routine is acknowledged as being one of a kind in golf.
Baloney. You said Woods introduced weight training to golf. Already told you the PGA had a traveling workout room for the players in 1985. Obviously Gary Player above was doing more than just playing golf 30 years before anyone heard of Tiger Woods. Just admit you are wrong and move on.
Fair enough... Woods made weight/resistance training much more of a norm than it previously was. The two golfers above, I would bet largely, never took weight training seriously like Woods. Not being Lefty fat isn't the same as in shape.
However, we all like to believe that athletes in our generation are better than those before/after, so your reaction is expected.
Two golfers above? It's the same Gary Player on the right just probably 40 year older. He was obviously fitness oriented way before Tiger Woods. I have not commented at all about any generational differences in this thread. I have nothing against Tiger Woods but obviously he has benefited from a lot of hype. He did not invent the game of golf.
I would wager that pound for pound Gary Player was stronger than Tiger in every metric.
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Gary Player and Jack hit the ceremonial first ball at the Masters. He still looks fit for however old he is.....late 70's?
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05-07-2021, 01:54 PM
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(05-06-2021, 08:15 PM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: (05-06-2021, 02:46 PM)TcSoup Wrote: (05-06-2021, 02:42 PM)Blinky Wrote: (05-06-2021, 02:28 PM)TcSoup Wrote: Team Records :
Montreal Canadians Stanley Cups 24
Next Closest Toronto with 13 And Detroit with 11
Are the Canadians due to fold? If not, then they could easily break their own record of 24 by simply adding to it. And it would still be "Their" Team Record and yes they could. See I think as long as there is an NHL this can be broken. Again it may be 200 years from now but it can be done. 200 Years from Now its possible every record mentioned on here might be broken.
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(05-06-2021, 08:54 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: (05-06-2021, 08:04 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: Great. I'm sure you can find other golfers with a similar physique to Woods.
Pre or post juice? Â
I do recall a South African golfer, Ernie Els, being very similar to Tiger in body type. Not as ripped, but definitely athletic looking. Â
I just can't roll with the idea that the competition is so much better now. Yeah training etc... has advanced, but that's true of all major sports. Heck if anything, Nicholas had to play against some other greats (Palmer, Player, Watson, etc...) that didn't shrink at the sight of his shadow like the supposedly better competition that Tiger allegedly faced. Tiger had those guys squirting themselves at the sight of his red shirt and black cap. Better competition? Really?  Not sure I can roll with that one. Maybe better skilled by a straight up comparison, but for his era I think Nicholas had it at least just as hard if not harder. Who is this Nicholas everyone is referring to.?  Never heard of him.  Was he better than Jack Nicklaus ?
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(05-07-2021, 03:19 PM)TcSoup Wrote: (05-06-2021, 08:15 PM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: (05-06-2021, 02:46 PM)TcSoup Wrote: (05-06-2021, 02:42 PM)Blinky Wrote: (05-06-2021, 02:28 PM)TcSoup Wrote: Team Records :
Montreal Canadians Stanley Cups 24
Next Closest Toronto with 13 And Detroit with 11
Are the Canadians due to fold? If not, then they could easily break their own record of 24 by simply adding to it. And it would still be "Their" Team Record and yes they could. See I think as long as there is an NHL this can be broken. Again it may be 200 years from now but it can be done. 200 Years from Now its possible every record mentioned on here might be broken. I guess my point is, as far as a team 200 years is alot of time for a team or organization to catch up on another one. Ex look what we did to scUM over a 20 year period. The other records are individual and or time limited over specific periods of time. I mean I do get your point.
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What is the lifespan of a sport? All of the sports around today were invented no earlier than the 19th century. Lacrosse is the only one that I can think of that is older than that, but it isn't exactly a popular sport. I have a tough time envisioning any of these leagues lasting for hundreds and hundreds of years.
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Football been around for eons. Severed enemy heads in battles as far back as the Celts were used to kick about vs another group trying to pick it up and run to an END of a zone.  Points were given if the HEAD was kicked between branches low hanging.  Games were tight as looooooooosers lost their head.
Mayans used a rubber ball in a type of basketball where goals or points were scored gaining this ball through a ring on a wall.  The looooosers were carved up for a feast.
Baseball been around even longer....those Neandertal would throw rocks against other cave men with sticks to knock them back.  Losers gotten beaten with sticks or stoned to death with big rocks. Â
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(05-07-2021, 03:21 PM)TcSoup Wrote: (05-06-2021, 08:54 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Pre or post juice? Â
I do recall a South African golfer, Ernie Els, being very similar to Tiger in body type. Not as ripped, but definitely athletic looking. Â
I just can't roll with the idea that the competition is so much better now. Yeah training etc... has advanced, but that's true of all major sports. Heck if anything, Nicholas had to play against some other greats (Palmer, Player, Watson, etc...) that didn't shrink at the sight of his shadow like the supposedly better competition that Tiger allegedly faced. Tiger had those guys squirting themselves at the sight of his red shirt and black cap. Better competition? Really?  Not sure I can roll with that one. Maybe better skilled by a straight up comparison, but for his era I think Nicholas had it at least just as hard if not harder. Who is this Nicholas everyone is referring to.?  Never heard of him.  Was he better than Jack Nicklaus ?
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(05-07-2021, 09:14 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: (05-07-2021, 03:21 PM)TcSoup Wrote: (05-06-2021, 08:54 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Pre or post juice? Â
I do recall a South African golfer, Ernie Els, being very similar to Tiger in body type. Not as ripped, but definitely athletic looking. Â
I just can't roll with the idea that the competition is so much better now. Yeah training etc... has advanced, but that's true of all major sports. Heck if anything, Nicholas had to play against some other greats (Palmer, Player, Watson, etc...) that didn't shrink at the sight of his shadow like the supposedly better competition that Tiger allegedly faced. Tiger had those guys squirting themselves at the sight of his red shirt and black cap. Better competition? Really?  Not sure I can roll with that one. Maybe better skilled by a straight up comparison, but for his era I think Nicholas had it at least just as hard if not harder. Who is this Nicholas everyone is referring to.?  Never heard of him.  Was he better than Jack Nicklaus ?
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(05-07-2021, 03:19 PM)TcSoup Wrote: (05-06-2021, 08:15 PM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: (05-06-2021, 02:46 PM)TcSoup Wrote: (05-06-2021, 02:42 PM)Blinky Wrote: (05-06-2021, 02:28 PM)TcSoup Wrote: Team Records :
Montreal Canadians Stanley Cups 24
Next Closest Toronto with 13 And Detroit with 11
Are the Canadians due to fold? If not, then they could easily break their own record of 24 by simply adding to it. And it would still be "Their" Team Record and yes they could. See I think as long as there is an NHL this can be broken. Again it may be 200 years from now but it can be done. 200 Years from Now its possible every record mentioned on here might be broken. Yep. Especially if they change rules. Different eras, different rules
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