It seems that the right is rioting in D.C.

[somenole]

What was she there to do? Why was she there on that day, at that time? The congress was in session to declare Biden the winner. She was there to stop that. You think sheâ€s a patriot. Others think she is a treasonous lunatic. Some of the loony traitors were there to stop pence, Pelosi and the others by any means needed.

[Hightop77]

What was she there to do?  Why was she there on that day, at that time?  The congress was in session to declare Biden the winner. She was there to stop that. You think sheâ€s a patriot. Others think she is a treasonous lunatic. Some of the loony traitors were there to stop pence, Pelosi and the others by any means needed.

So what you are saying is BLM and antifa had legitimate purposes for gathering by the hundreds in various cities to riot, loot and burn but law abiding American citizens have no business gathering publicly to protest what they believe was a fraudulent election process.  I'd say that certifies your Leftist credentials pretty well.

[3rdgensooner]

To me it was a bad shot. The police that had moved out of the way were right on the other side of her. Probably in the line of fire from the angle. Also they made a point of not attacking the police that were in front of the door. 
Now was she acting incredibly stupidly? Almost beyond comprehension what has happened to these folks with the Qanon and similar nonsense. I get the disenfranchisement. I feel disenfranchised and angry. This is not conservatism. That's how liberals act. These are the people that were Democrats before they were abandoned. Now they feel abandoned by the entire country. Vilified for the color of their skin, their work ethic, and their lack of elitist sophistication. Small business owners. Blue collar workers. And the like. They were betrayed again by the crazy side of the right and a leader who did have their back but didn't have the intelligence or ability to deliver because he wasn't any better able to tell what was crazy and counterproductive than they are. 
Still if no one shot at the rioters all summer I fail to. see why a misguided veteran and small business owner was.

[ScarletHayes]

Still waiting on the quote of Trump inciting an insurrection.  Are the Dems seriously going to try to impeach a guy who is leaving a week from Wednesday?

[zigbee]

Still waiting on the quote of Trump inciting an insurrection.  Are the Dems seriously going to try to impeach a guy who is leaving a week from Wednesday?

The claim he incited insurrection is exaggerated no doubt.  It comes from him telling crowd to march on capitol hill and protest the certification.   The rally turned those there who were a bit nutty into crazed loonies who broke the law.

[3rdgensooner]

I didn't see incitement to violence. Dems aided and abetted violence all summer and lied about it even existing despite billions in damages. He got the crazy wing of his base riled up stupidly not realizing they were this nutty. Obviously a much smaller group than the nuts of the far left destroying cities all year. The crazy nuts attacked the Capitol though. A place filled with scummy trash. The crazy left attacked businesses where decent people earned their living. That's a bigger outrage. I could care less if Congressmen and Senators were scared they're pretty much uniformly parasitic trash. They spent the year looking the other way while people's lives were destroyed, or even encouraged the destruction. Now they're upset because they got a little dose of what they've been dishing out all year.

[ScarletHayes]

I didn't see incitement to violence. Dems aided and abetted violence all summer and lied about it even existing despite billions in damages. He got the crazy wing of his base riled up stupidly not realizing they were this nutty. Obviously a much smaller group than the nuts of the far left destroying cities all year. The crazy nuts attacked the Capitol though. A place filled with scummy trash. The crazy left attacked businesses where decent people earned their living. That's a bigger outrage. I could care less if Congressmen and Senators were scared they're pretty much uniformly parasitic trash. They spent the year looking the other way while people's lives were destroyed, or even encouraged the destruction. Now they're upset because they got a little dose of what they've been dishing out all year.

Well said.  

Trump had every right to encourage people to protest in front of the capitol.  That is NOT inciting an insurrection; that's called free speech.  Idiots on the left (Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, the media, etc...).  Yeah let's have a trial in the senate.  Would last about 5 seconds, as no evidence of anything insurrection related exists in regards to Trump.  Curious if Twitter has deleted or suspended accounts saying the president incited an insurrection.  Yeah, that's rhetorical.

[3rdgensooner]

Well you can still read the Ayatollah's tweets if you're a twitter twit.

[somenole]

What was she there to do?  Why was she there on that day, at that time?  The congress was in session to declare Biden the winner. She was there to stop that. You think sheâ€s a patriot. Others think she is a treasonous lunatic. Some of the loony traitors were there to stop pence, Pelosi and the others by any means needed.

So what you are saying is BLM and antifa had legitimate purposes for gathering by the hundreds in various cities to riot, loot and burn but law abiding American citizens have no business gathering publicly to protest what they believe was a fraudulent election process.  I'd say that certifies your Leftist credentials pretty well.

I didnâ€t say anything about BLM or Antifa. Thatâ€s a red herring. 

she didnâ€t get shot outside the Capitol building. She was shot inside, trying to disrupt the congress.  She stopped being a law abiding citizen when she crossed the line that security inside the Capitol had drawn.

[Hightop77]

What was she there to do?  Why was she there on that day, at that time?  The congress was in session to declare Biden the winner. She was there to stop that. You think sheâ€s a patriot. Others think she is a treasonous lunatic. Some of the loony traitors were there to stop pence, Pelosi and the others by any means needed.

So what you are saying is BLM and antifa had legitimate purposes for gathering by the hundreds in various cities to riot, loot and burn but law abiding American citizens have no business gathering publicly to protest what they believe was a fraudulent election process.  I'd say that certifies your Leftist credentials pretty well.

I didnâ€t say anything about BLM or Antifa. Thatâ€s a red herring. 

she didnâ€t get shot outside the Capitol building. She was shot inside, trying to disrupt the congress.  She stopped being a law abiding citizen when she crossed the line that security inside the Capitol had drawn.

So at what point was it appropriate for anyone to use deadly force, killing her?  She was clearly not in the act of directly threatening anyone's life and other personnel could have physically restrained her at any time.  How is this any different than how a brutal totalitarian country would behave?

[Hightop77]

The only difference between what happened to her and what would happen in China is the Chi-coms would first arrest her and then taken her out of camera view to be shot in the head.

[ScarletHayes]

I didnâ€t say anything about BLM or Antifa. Thatâ€s a red herring. 

she didnâ€t get shot outside the Capitol building. She was shot inside, trying to disrupt the congress.  She stopped being a law abiding citizen when she crossed the line that security inside the Capitol had drawn.

I guess I'm old school, but seeing/hearing of a woman shot just bothers me more than if it's a dude.  I know I'm not supposed to think that way, but I just do.  Either way though,  I agree with you.  

Now was the cop justified in the shooting?  I didn't watch the video and have no plans to.  I guess that's for the investigators to decide.  

Was the mob, of which she was a part, heading toward where the joint session was holding proceedings?  If so it would be hard to say he wasn't justified.

[3rdgensooner]

I didnâ€t say anything about BLM or Antifa. Thatâ€s a red herring. 

she didnâ€t get shot outside the Capitol building. She was shot inside, trying to disrupt the congress.  She stopped being a law abiding citizen when she crossed the line that security inside the Capitol had drawn.

I guess I'm old school, but seeing/hearing of a woman shot just bothers me more than if it's a dude.  I know I'm not supposed to think that way, but I just do.  Either way though,  I agree with you.  

Now was the cop justified in the shooting?  I didn't watch the video and have no plans to.  I guess that's for the investigators to decide.  

Was the mob, of which she was a part, heading toward where the joint session was holding proceedings?  If so it would be hard to say he wasn't justified.

They were smashing the glass of two locked doors to try and get through them after telling the police there were too many people and they didn't want them hurt so go home. The three cops then moved away .The cops were standing just behind and to the side of her against the wall. They saw the gun pointed at them BTW. Called it out and seemed to slow down but someone was pushing something through a hole in the glass and the officer fired. The door was to an area called the Speaker's Lobby. They were saying and acting like they didn't want to see the police hurt. I don't know if that would've extended to Representatives or staffers though.
I don't think it was necessary but stupid is dealt with harshly at times. Shouldn't have been doing that it was beyond idiotic. Secondly when someone points a gun at you, take the hint.

[P1tchblack]

What was she there to do?  Why was she there on that day, at that time?  The congress was in session to declare Biden the winner. She was there to stop that. You think sheâ€s a patriot. Others think she is a treasonous lunatic. Some of the loony traitors were there to stop pence, Pelosi and the others by any means needed.

So what you are saying is BLM and antifa had legitimate purposes for gathering by the hundreds in various cities to riot, loot and burn but law abiding American citizens have no business gathering publicly to protest what they believe was a fraudulent election process.  I'd say that certifies your Leftist credentials pretty well.

I didnâ€t say anything about BLM or Antifa. Thatâ€s a red herring. 

she didnâ€t get shot outside the Capitol building. She was shot inside, trying to disrupt the congress.  She stopped being a law abiding citizen when she crossed the line that security inside the Capitol had drawn.

So at what point was it appropriate for anyone to use deadly force, killing her?  She was clearly not in the act of directly threatening anyone's life and other personnel could have physically restrained her at any time.  How is this any different than how a brutal totalitarian country would behave?

I absolutely love how quickly you've changed your tune about police killings.  You absolutely rationalized and supported the execution of a man, crawling on his hands and knees, with multiple semi-auto rifles pointed at him, begging for his life, but suddenly it's bad to kill a woman who's clearly aggressive, violent and trying to get through a door to where officers are stationed.

by the way, if you took out all the Republicans and replaced them with antifa or black lives matter, what would be your opinion of the shooting and killing then?

[Hightop77]

What was she there to do?  Why was she there on that day, at that time?  The congress was in session to declare Biden the winner. She was there to stop that. You think sheâ€s a patriot. Others think she is a treasonous lunatic. Some of the loony traitors were there to stop pence, Pelosi and the others by any means needed.

So what you are saying is BLM and antifa had legitimate purposes for gathering by the hundreds in various cities to riot, loot and burn but law abiding American citizens have no business gathering publicly to protest what they believe was a fraudulent election process.  I'd say that certifies your Leftist credentials pretty well.

I didnâ€t say anything about BLM or Antifa. Thatâ€s a red herring. 

she didnâ€t get shot outside the Capitol building. She was shot inside, trying to disrupt the congress.  She stopped being a law abiding citizen when she crossed the line that security inside the Capitol had drawn.

So at what point was it appropriate for anyone to use deadly force, killing her?  She was clearly not in the act of directly threatening anyone's life and other personnel could have physically restrained her at any time.  How is this any different than how a brutal totalitarian country would behave?

I absolutely love how quickly you've changed your tune about police killings.  You absolutely rationalized and supported the execution of a man, crawling on his hands and knees, with multiple semi-auto rifles pointed at him, begging for his life, but suddenly it's bad to kill a woman who's clearly aggressive, violent and trying to get through a door to where officers are stationed.

by the way, if you took out all the Republicans and replaced them with antifa or black lives matter, what would be your opinion of the shooting and killing then?

I haven't changed at all.  She was unarmed, not threatening anyone, presented no physical danger to anyone, and could have easily been detained by several police right around her.  If those cops saw no need to arrest her, why would anyone need to shoot her?  Of course you won't answer but your position is clearly not consistent for what was obviously an unnecessary and possibly illegal shoot.