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(12-15-2020, 10:52 AM)Jacketbuckeye Wrote: (12-15-2020, 12:10 AM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: Bottom line is the Swamp was bigger than Trump. With the exception of Cruz, Jordan, Nunez Gertz and maybe one or two more the others were a big ruse too.
Cruz? Really? The same Ted Cruz that said this?
"I'm going to tell you what I really think of Donald Trump. This man is a pathological liar. He doesn't know the difference between truth and lies. He lies, practically every word that comes out of his mouth. And in a pattern that I think is straight out of a psychology textbook, his response is to accuse everybody else of lying….Whatever he does, he accuses everybody else of doing. The man cannot tell the truth, but he combines it with being a narcissist—a narcissist at a level I don't think this country has ever seen…..Everything in Donald's world is about Donald….The man is utterly amoral. Morality does not exist for him….Donald is a bully….Donald is cynically exploiting that anger [at the political establishment], and he is lying to his supporters. Donald will betray his supporters on every issue." How about some quotes from Harris on Joe and vice versa before and during primaries.
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(12-15-2020, 04:29 PM)TcSoup Wrote: (12-15-2020, 10:52 AM)Jacketbuckeye Wrote: (12-15-2020, 12:10 AM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: Bottom line is the Swamp was bigger than Trump. With the exception of Cruz, Jordan, Nunez Gertz and maybe one or two more the others were a big ruse too.
Cruz? Really? The same Ted Cruz that said this?
"I'm going to tell you what I really think of Donald Trump. This man is a pathological liar. He doesn't know the difference between truth and lies. He lies, practically every word that comes out of his mouth. And in a pattern that I think is straight out of a psychology textbook, his response is to accuse everybody else of lying….Whatever he does, he accuses everybody else of doing. The man cannot tell the truth, but he combines it with being a narcissist—a narcissist at a level I don't think this country has ever seen…..Everything in Donald's world is about Donald….The man is utterly amoral. Morality does not exist for him….Donald is a bully….Donald is cynically exploiting that anger [at the political establishment], and he is lying to his supporters. Donald will betray his supporters on every issue." How about some quotes from Harris on Joe and vice versa before and during primaries.
You mean where Harris acknowledged that Uncle Joe was likely a rapist?
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(12-15-2020, 04:29 PM)TcSoup Wrote: (12-15-2020, 10:52 AM)Jacketbuckeye Wrote: (12-15-2020, 12:10 AM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: Bottom line is the Swamp was bigger than Trump. With the exception of Cruz, Jordan, Nunez Gertz and maybe one or two more the others were a big ruse too.
Cruz? Really? The same Ted Cruz that said this?
"I'm going to tell you what I really think of Donald Trump. This man is a pathological liar. He doesn't know the difference between truth and lies. He lies, practically every word that comes out of his mouth. And in a pattern that I think is straight out of a psychology textbook, his response is to accuse everybody else of lying….Whatever he does, he accuses everybody else of doing. The man cannot tell the truth, but he combines it with being a narcissist—a narcissist at a level I don't think this country has ever seen…..Everything in Donald's world is about Donald….The man is utterly amoral. Morality does not exist for him….Donald is a bully….Donald is cynically exploiting that anger [at the political establishment], and he is lying to his supporters. Donald will betray his supporters on every issue." How about some quotes from Harris on Joe and vice versa before and during primaries.
I won't dispute any of that. What I am disputing is that somehow Cruz isn't part of the Swamp just because he's supporting Trump in his campaign to overturn the will of the voters.
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(12-15-2020, 05:22 PM)Jacketbuckeye Wrote: (12-15-2020, 04:29 PM)TcSoup Wrote: (12-15-2020, 10:52 AM)Jacketbuckeye Wrote: (12-15-2020, 12:10 AM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: Bottom line is the Swamp was bigger than Trump. With the exception of Cruz, Jordan, Nunez Gertz and maybe one or two more the others were a big ruse too.
Cruz? Really? The same Ted Cruz that said this?
"I'm going to tell you what I really think of Donald Trump. This man is a pathological liar. He doesn't know the difference between truth and lies. He lies, practically every word that comes out of his mouth. And in a pattern that I think is straight out of a psychology textbook, his response is to accuse everybody else of lying….Whatever he does, he accuses everybody else of doing. The man cannot tell the truth, but he combines it with being a narcissist—a narcissist at a level I don't think this country has ever seen…..Everything in Donald's world is about Donald….The man is utterly amoral. Morality does not exist for him….Donald is a bully….Donald is cynically exploiting that anger [at the political establishment], and he is lying to his supporters. Donald will betray his supporters on every issue." How about some quotes from Harris on Joe and vice versa before and during primaries.
I won't dispute any of that. What I am disputing is that somehow Cruz isn't part of the Swamp just because he's supporting Trump in his campaign to overturn the will of the voters.
The 2016 primary was a bitter personal fight between Trump and Cruz. Many personal charges and accusations were made back and forth. After Trump defeated Clinton, Cruz became one of Trumps most dependable supporters. Those things happen in politics all the time so you citing that quote by Cruz was just cheap and not a good argument.
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(12-15-2020, 05:07 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (12-15-2020, 04:29 PM)TcSoup Wrote: (12-15-2020, 10:52 AM)Jacketbuckeye Wrote: (12-15-2020, 12:10 AM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: Bottom line is the Swamp was bigger than Trump. With the exception of Cruz, Jordan, Nunez Gertz and maybe one or two more the others were a big ruse too.
Cruz? Really? The same Ted Cruz that said this?
"I'm going to tell you what I really think of Donald Trump. This man is a pathological liar. He doesn't know the difference between truth and lies. He lies, practically every word that comes out of his mouth. And in a pattern that I think is straight out of a psychology textbook, his response is to accuse everybody else of lying….Whatever he does, he accuses everybody else of doing. The man cannot tell the truth, but he combines it with being a narcissist—a narcissist at a level I don't think this country has ever seen…..Everything in Donald's world is about Donald….The man is utterly amoral. Morality does not exist for him….Donald is a bully….Donald is cynically exploiting that anger [at the political establishment], and he is lying to his supporters. Donald will betray his supporters on every issue." How about some quotes from Harris on Joe and vice versa before and during primaries.
You mean where Harris acknowledged that Uncle Joe was likely a rapist? And a racist for trying to stop a fictional kamala from being bussed while in school.
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(12-15-2020, 05:33 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (12-15-2020, 05:22 PM)Jacketbuckeye Wrote: (12-15-2020, 04:29 PM)TcSoup Wrote: (12-15-2020, 10:52 AM)Jacketbuckeye Wrote: (12-15-2020, 12:10 AM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: Bottom line is the Swamp was bigger than Trump. With the exception of Cruz, Jordan, Nunez Gertz and maybe one or two more the others were a big ruse too.
Cruz? Really? The same Ted Cruz that said this?
"I'm going to tell you what I really think of Donald Trump. This man is a pathological liar. He doesn't know the difference between truth and lies. He lies, practically every word that comes out of his mouth. And in a pattern that I think is straight out of a psychology textbook, his response is to accuse everybody else of lying….Whatever he does, he accuses everybody else of doing. The man cannot tell the truth, but he combines it with being a narcissist—a narcissist at a level I don't think this country has ever seen…..Everything in Donald's world is about Donald….The man is utterly amoral. Morality does not exist for him….Donald is a bully….Donald is cynically exploiting that anger [at the political establishment], and he is lying to his supporters. Donald will betray his supporters on every issue." How about some quotes from Harris on Joe and vice versa before and during primaries.
I won't dispute any of that. What I am disputing is that somehow Cruz isn't part of the Swamp just because he's supporting Trump in his campaign to overturn the will of the voters.
The 2016 primary was a bitter personal fight between Trump and Cruz. Many personal charges and accusations were made back and forth. After Trump defeated Clinton, Cruz became one of Trumps most dependable supporters. Those things happen in politics all the time so you citing that quote by Cruz was just cheap and not a good argument. Yes, it was some really weak sauce there.
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