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(12-07-2020, 03:09 PM)wydileie Wrote: (12-07-2020, 02:55 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (12-07-2020, 02:45 PM)wydileie Wrote: (12-07-2020, 02:26 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (12-07-2020, 02:19 PM)wydileie Wrote: I think people, in general, have a skewed idea of what "leftists" are. Pelosi and Schumer are capitalist corporatist lackeys, like most of the rest of Congress on both sides of the aisle. Pelosi is the (hideous) face of Silicon Valley, people who like to virtue signal that they are "woke", but like counting their money behind the scenes even more. Pelosi doesn't like AOC and that side of the party, nor does Schumer. They cater to them sometimes, but they certainly would rather not have to.
A leftist wants to destroy, or massively alter, the capitalist system in favor of socialistic policies. One can hear them preach against the evil's of capitalism, and often use terms like "late-stage capitalism" when referring to their policies to "make things more fair". Bernie, AOC, Omar, etc. are leftists. Pelosi and Schumer are run-of-the-mill Democrats.
Doesn't matter whether or not they profit personally off of their Leftism and corruption. They are still Leftists. The Soviet Politburo, the leaders of the Soviet Communist Party, were Leftists but lived like the highest paid corporate CEO's. All Leftist leaders are hypocrites and elitists. They both have been in Congress for 30+ years. Before the left side of their party started whining, what have they done that would make you think they are leftists? Is Michael Bloomberg leftist? Because him and Chuck Schumer essentially have the same platform. Heck, Schumer is probably closer to a Republican than a Democrat at this point. He is pro Israel, pro free market, pro Wall Street. He's extremely popular all over New York, not just in NYC, and much of NY outside of NYC is Republican. Fortunately they have not had the chance to implement their wish list. Their last chance they gave us nationalized health care and a phony stimulus package that was nothing but a pay off to unions and their other supporters. Their current wish list is open borders, medicare for all including illegals, gun confiscation, possibly slave reparations, "New Green Deal, etc, etc. They do not oppose antifa and they positively adore BLM. How are they not Leftists?
Schumer is closer to a Republican? LOL Schumer is a US Senator because of Leftist NYC and Buffalo not upstate NY. He only supports Israel because NYC has a massive Jewish population and Chuckie is Jewish himself.
What the hell do you get your information? So you didn't answer my question at all. What policies or things those two, specifically, have introduced or heavily supported that would make you think they are leftists?
Pelosi and Schumer are the House and Senate leaders of a Leftist party. If they were something other than Leftists they would not be in that position. They completely support the Leftist agenda of their party and oppose all conservative and moderate policies of the GOP. For someone to claim they aren't Leftists is laughable.
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(12-07-2020, 03:26 PM)Blinky Wrote: Probably time to cut the Evanjellyfish loose. They form a large voting block, but they are just a bunch of annoying hand-wringers that are just as repugnant to the "center" as the hardcore SJW types. Let them fend for themselves, it's not like they are going to align with the Left all of a sudden. It's wayyyy past time. In retrospect, one of the biggest mistakes that the Evangelicals did was align under Jerry Falwell under the Moral Majority. It is in small part to blame for just the swerve left that the Democratic Party has taken.
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(12-07-2020, 05:00 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: (12-07-2020, 03:26 PM)Blinky Wrote: Probably time to cut the Evanjellyfish loose. They form a large voting block, but they are just a bunch of annoying hand-wringers that are just as repugnant to the "center" as the hardcore SJW types. Let them fend for themselves, it's not like they are going to align with the Left all of a sudden. It's wayyyy past time. In retrospect, one of the biggest mistakes that the Evangelicals did was align under Jerry Falwell under the Moral Majority. It is in small part to blame for just the swerve left that the Democratic Party has taken.
Christians should vote issues, not parties.
Maybe but what relevant issues that the Democrats support are even compatible with a general Christian worldview? And in terms of voting, you can't vote based on individual issues. You have to vote a candidate of one party or the other.
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(12-07-2020, 05:11 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (12-07-2020, 05:00 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: (12-07-2020, 03:26 PM)Blinky Wrote: Probably time to cut the Evanjellyfish loose. They form a large voting block, but they are just a bunch of annoying hand-wringers that are just as repugnant to the "center" as the hardcore SJW types. Let them fend for themselves, it's not like they are going to align with the Left all of a sudden. It's wayyyy past time. In retrospect, one of the biggest mistakes that the Evangelicals did was align under Jerry Falwell under the Moral Majority. It is in small part to blame for just the swerve left that the Democratic Party has taken.
Christians should vote issues, not parties.
Maybe but what relevant issues that the Democrats support are even compatible with a general Christian worldview? And in terms of voting, you can't vote based on individual issues. You have to vote a candidate of one party or the other. At this point, very few.  Rome wasn†t built in a day. But this is partially why they are what they are today.
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(12-07-2020, 04:56 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: Pelosi and Schumer are the House and Senate leaders of a Leftist party. If they were something other than Leftists they would not be in that position. They completely support the Leftist agenda of their party and oppose all conservative and moderate policies of the GOP. For someone to claim they aren't Leftists is laughable. They are the leaders specifically because they aren't leftists. A majority of Democratic Congressmen aren't. They are the leaders to temper the actual leftists and keep them in line. Anyone who thinks the Democrats are going to run roughshod, stack SCOTUS, and all these other crazy claims are delusional. The left is loud about wanting these things at all costs, but it would turn off independents and even some Democrats from their party. They would get railroaded in future elections. There's been calls from AOC to Omar to replace Pelosi for a long time. Why haven't they replaced her? Because House Democrats don't want the left running the party.
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(12-07-2020, 05:52 PM)wydileie Wrote: (12-07-2020, 04:56 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: Pelosi and Schumer are the House and Senate leaders of a Leftist party. If they were something other than Leftists they would not be in that position. They completely support the Leftist agenda of their party and oppose all conservative and moderate policies of the GOP. For someone to claim they aren't Leftists is laughable. They are the leaders specifically because they aren't leftists. A majority of Democratic Congressmen aren't. They are the leaders to temper the actual leftists and keep them in line. Anyone who thinks the Democrats are going to run roughshod, stack SCOTUS, and all these other crazy claims are delusional. The left is loud about wanting these things at all costs, but it would turn off independents and even some Democrats from their party. They would get railroaded in future elections. There's been calls from AOC to Omar to replace Pelosi for a long time. Why haven't they replaced her? Because House Democrats don't want the left running the party.
You aren't seeing the changes in real time. At the national level, there are no moderate Democrats that I can see unless you want to count Manchin. It is a Leftist party with Leftist leaders. The only reason AOC has not replaced Pelosi is because the mainstream Leftist Democrats still outnumber the communists in the party. That will eventually change. We might get a chance to see how far Left the party has gone if those two Senate seats go to the Democrats. Sam Nunn is not walking through that door.
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(12-07-2020, 01:23 PM)wydileie Wrote: (12-07-2020, 01:14 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (12-07-2020, 01:09 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: We gained in the house and may have held in the Senate. We won locally. Trump will go away soon. 80 million don't show up to vote for a second rate retread well past his prime which wasn't prime. They voted out Trump. Without that impetus likely we do even better down ballot. The Trump pumpers will go nuts but a decent Republican candidate would've won bigger in 2016 against the hag, held better in 2018, and would've likely won this year with better results down ballot.
While on the surface that might appear like a GOP positive, the Democrats held the House and might take the Senate by doing absolutely nothing but spending 100% of their time and effort attacking Trump and talking about how they want to give us functional socialism. Pelosi and people like AOC and Schumer are nothing but Leftist nut job lunatics and they still didn't drive voters away in large numbers. Pelosi and Schumer are definitely not leftists.Â
In any case, the Republican's only hope is to shift libertarian/federalist, and I'm not saying that just because I am a libertarian. If they returned to a party of fiscal responsibility, and changed their social platform such that the federal government holds no social policies, they could return to a dominating position. Social issues should be left to the states, anyway.
This this this. This isn†t the party of Reagan. Move back towards center.
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