The final fate of the righteous and the unrighteous

[P1tchblack]

You calling me chaff junior?

No.  You're a righteous person.  I believe that you will be saved, provided that you want to be saved.

Well if all that's stuff is true and I'm given the option I certainly think I'll go with the saved option. But your belief seems to be completely counter to what virtually every other Christian says. 
Righteous? You said I'm a Richard. Can you be a righteous Richard?

I don't believe that Jesus abandons his flock and I have not seen irrefutable gospel evidence that he does.  Most Christians believe that we must accept Jesus in this lifetime in order to be saved or else be damned to Hell for eternity.  I simply don't believe that Jesus does that.

when you look at the things that God did -Passover, the flood, Caanan, his own son- there seems to be a lot more evidence that non-believers would burn in hell for all eternity then there is that they would be given any kind of chance.

[Blinky]

Pitch #2
It's good to know who the mockers are.
It's almost ignore time for the "new" blink. (Wink, wink)

Not a Star Wars fan, eh?

That must suck.

[davebucknut]

I've seen innumerable near-death testimonies from atheists and non-Christians who say they met Jesus and that he was accepting and loving of them. I believe them.

What many Christians believe is that, when a non-believer dies, Jesus tells them "Nope. Too late. Off to Hell for you!"

I don't believe that Jesus operates that way. It's not logical. It's not loving. In fact, it's pointless.

Faith is a blessing that believers are fortunate to have. Some, like 3rd, might like to believe in a loving God and a heavenly here-after, but believe it's simply too good to be true. Many Christians believe 3rd and those like him will go to Hell. I do not.

The bible speaks of all sorts of people being condemned, but that doesn't mean that Jesus doesn't show mercy and grant them a pardon in the hereafter. You demand scriptural evidence that this is so, but you cannot provide scriptural evidence that it isn't so.

So 3rd doesn't believe in God?

Makes total and complete sense.

Non believers are usually blind yo the truth about a lot of things

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[dunefan]

The whole heaven/hell concept just seems absurd like everything else about religion. An infallible creator makes fallible beings that occupy one tiny infinitesimal speck of Universe it created and then it judges them based on how they behave. It gives them brains and expects them to believe weird and absurd things and it judges them on that too. If these fallible beings don't live up to the expectations of the infallible being they are cursed for eternity. I mean WTF? Obviously a man made construct and how can you expect a grown person to accept such a ridiculous load of horse crap? If there is a creator it certainly isn't whatever the hell that is depicted in any of the fairy tale books written by humans which certainly includes the Bible.

I believe we were placed in such a circumstance so that we will be able to fully appreciate the hereafter.  How would we know goodness if we were never exposed to evil?  How would we appreciate many things if we first had to do without and even suffer?  I also believe that God is not directly evident to us in order to see how we behave if we're not sure of his existence.  It's sort of like, how hard and well will the employee work if the boss is away?  

You have to consider, 3rd, that we have a creator and that, through his infinite wisdom, he created this system for us.  

One day, I believe, we'll know much more and many confusing things will make sense.

Just more of the same. The infallible creator can appreciate things without those conditions can't it? It's silly. Or it's very infallible. It looks to me as if this creator thing is a complete eff up. 
Now I'm talking about the beliefs people have. I am not saying that's why I'm an atheist. It isn't. I am saying I don't understand why you and others believe that stuff because it makes no sense whatsoever. It's almost comical.

It's all about the need for humans to have faith that there is something after death.  The idea of hell keeps the faithful in line regarding the afterlife.  It all really makes a lot of sense if looked at this way.  I don't pretend to know what happens when we die but I can't believe the life-force in all of us just blinks out of existence.  Do our souls end up somewhere?  I believe so but I'm not sold that if you don't accept Christ as the savior that you end up in hell.  Way too many people, babies, children and adults have had no exposure at all to Christianity let alone the good people who have had exposure but choose another belief.  It's impossible for me to accept they all end up suffering forever.

[3rdgensooner]

Is it "comical" for a super-rich set of parents to make their children work for what they get in order that they learn values and appreciation?

The analogy hardly fits. If parents were to torture children the way this god thingy does or consign children to an eternity of torment if they fall short of expectations we'd throw them in jail.

[3rdgensooner]

I've seen innumerable near-death testimonies from atheists and non-Christians who say they met Jesus and that he was accepting and loving of them.  I believe them. 

What many Christians believe is that, when a non-believer dies, Jesus tells them "Nope.  Too late.  Off to Hell for you!" 

I don't believe that Jesus operates that way.  It's not logical.  It's not loving.  In fact, it's pointless. 

Faith is a blessing that believers are fortunate to have.  Some, like 3rd, might like to believe in a loving God and a heavenly here-after, but believe it's simply too good to be true.  Many Christians believe 3rd and those like him will go to Hell.  I do not. 

The bible speaks of all sorts of people being condemned, but that doesn't mean that Jesus doesn't show mercy and grant them a pardon in the hereafter.  You demand scriptural evidence that this is so, but you cannot provide scriptural evidence that it isn't so.

So 3rd doesn't believe in God?

Makes total and complete sense.

Non believers are usually blind yo the truth about a lot of things

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People who believe in magical nonsensical superstitious nonsense are often suckers for kooky things like conspiracy theories and are prone to believe all sorts of silly illogical things.

[K9Buck]

Is it "comical" for a super-rich set of parents to make their children work for what they get in order that they learn values and appreciation?

The analogy hardly fits. If parents were to torture children the way this god thingy does or consign children to an eternity of torment if they fall short of expectations we'd throw them in jail.

I don't believe that God "tortures" anyone, but he certainly permits it to occur.  Perhaps it will all make sense one day, sort of like how a parent will sometimes allow their child to endure a certain amount of suffering in order that they learn.

[3rdgensooner]

Is it "comical" for a super-rich set of parents to make their children work for what they get in order that they learn values and appreciation?

The analogy hardly fits. If parents were to torture children the way this god thingy does or consign children to an eternity of torment if they fall short of expectations we'd throw them in jail.

I don't believe that God "tortures" anyone, but he certainly permits it to occur.  Perhaps it will all make sense one day, sort of like how a parent will sometimes allow their child to endure a certain amount of suffering in order that they learn.

I see. So a child getting cancer and dying in agony allows us to learn. Nice of this god thingy. 
This is all ludicrous. 
Again I don't believe because it just is so obviously random. The man made explanations of the various religions aren't why I don't believe. I just don't understand why you or anyone else reads that stuff and believes. I read it or hear about it and my only reaction is really just "hunh?". If someone is going to make some sort of argument for religious belief to me, any religion, they're going to have to do a whole lot better than what I've seen. Light years better. This is stuff that is for the Computerbucks of the world. 
And again I don't have any explanations so the usual well how do you explain all this argument is just pointless. I don't have an explanation. That doesn't leave me open to ridiculous explanations.

[K9Buck]

Well, 3rd, if you don't believe in a creator, then I suppose you're left to believe that nothing created everything. I'd like to believe that, but I just don't have the faith.

[3rdgensooner]

Well, 3rd, if you don't believe in a creator, then I suppose you're left to believe that nothing created everything.  I'd like to believe that, but I just don't have the faith.

You have to believe nothing created something too. It's a circular argument. If your god can create itself or just is then anyone can say the same about anything else.  You're saying nothing created everything too.

[Blinky]

[davebucknut]

I've seen innumerable near-death testimonies from atheists and non-Christians who say they met Jesus and that he was accepting and loving of them.  I believe them. 

What many Christians believe is that, when a non-believer dies, Jesus tells them "Nope.  Too late.  Off to Hell for you!" 

I don't believe that Jesus operates that way.  It's not logical.  It's not loving.  In fact, it's pointless. 

Faith is a blessing that believers are fortunate to have.  Some, like 3rd, might like to believe in a loving God and a heavenly here-after, but believe it's simply too good to be true.  Many Christians believe 3rd and those like him will go to Hell.  I do not. 

The bible speaks of all sorts of people being condemned, but that doesn't mean that Jesus doesn't show mercy and grant them a pardon in the hereafter.  You demand scriptural evidence that this is so, but you cannot provide scriptural evidence that it isn't so.

So 3rd doesn't believe in God?

Makes total and complete sense.

Non believers are usually blind yo the truth about a lot of things

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People who believe in magical nonsensical superstitious nonsense are often suckers for kooky things like conspiracy theories and are prone to believe all sorts of silly illogical things.

So Oswald acted alone huh? Sure

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[K9Buck]

Well, 3rd, if you don't believe in a creator, then I suppose you're left to believe that nothing created everything.  I'd like to believe that, but I just don't have the faith.

You have to believe nothing created something too. It's a circular argument. If your god can create itself or just is then anyone can say the same about anything else.  You're saying nothing created everything too.

How DARE you defy me!

[3rdgensooner]

Well, 3rd, if you don't believe in a creator, then I suppose you're left to believe that nothing created everything.  I'd like to believe that, but I just don't have the faith.

You have to believe nothing created something too. It's a circular argument. If your god can create itself or just is then anyone can say the same about anything else.  You're saying nothing created everything too.

How DARE you defy me!

Sorry I'm just a natural born infidel.