How many trillions do you want the U.S. to cough up over "climate change"?

[wydileie]

You guys nailed it.  

I also get a chuckle out of the electric car commercials with the suburban broad all smiley because her car doesn't use gasoline.  Yeah, instead it uses electricity that's generated by the burning of coal you ####### dolt.  But hey, at least she feels better about herself and can show off to her friends that also voted for Biden.

Technically you are correct but to be fair, the carbon footprint of an electric car is far less than one using gas or diesel.

That really depends on what happens to the car that was replaced. The most "green" thing that can be done is to continue to drive the car you own and repair it, ad nauseum. The production of a new car will add more pollution than driving a car you already own and drive for millions of miles.

[ChinaBuck]

I think a Manhattan project for sequestration and encouraging things that are economically sensible, if there are any such things, that reduce carbon emissions would be great. I want no spending on the things I see going on now because they will only make us poorer and will fail to impact carbon emissions meaningfully. IOW they'll make things worse by not stopping climate change and making us too poor to adapt to the changes.

We have a different approach. I have always seen protection of the environment from a Christian perspective. While we have dominion over the resources of the Earth, we have been placed here to be good and faithful stewards of what the good Lord has provided. He did not grant us permission to carelessly plunder the Earth, He expects us to use the available resources respectively and to preserve and protect those resources for future generations. 
Also, natural conservation of the Earth is an extension of the logic of Conservatism.

[3rdgensooner]

You guys nailed it.  

I also get a chuckle out of the electric car commercials with the suburban broad all smiley because her car doesn't use gasoline.  Yeah, instead it uses electricity that's generated by the burning of coal you ####### dolt.  But hey, at least she feels better about herself and can show off to her friends that also voted for Biden.

Technically you are correct but to be fair, the carbon footprint of an electric car is far less than one using gas or diesel.

That really depends on what happens to the car that was replaced. The most "green" thing that can be done is to continue to drive the car you own and repair it, ad nauseum. The production of a new car will add more pollution than driving a car you already own and drive for millions of miles.

If every vehicle in the world is switched from fossil fuel to electric the impact on climate change would be too small to measure. It would also be enormously expensive and result in a decreased standard of living. 
Nothing being pushed will matter much even in the extremely unlikely event such things as ended fossil fuel use is accomplished in the near future.
 You haven't heard, because they won't say it, that the amount of carbon already in the atmosphere is well beyond the level that will cause catastrophic warming. IOW even zero emissions will accomplish next to nothing. Especially given carbon levels will be higher whenever that is achieved(it won't be). We actually need to pull carbon out of the atmosphere to impact global warming. We're at over 410ppb and need to be under 350ppb at least. And we needed to be there before now. The only thing limiting and eliminating carbon emissions and other warming gases will do is maybe delay or reduce the amount of warming maybe more than a half century from now. Maybe. Probably not. IMO any changes to reduce such emissions should be economically sensible to allow us to grow the wealth needed to adjust to the inevitably hotter world. Unless we can figure out how to sequester significant amounts of carbon.

[Soupcity Kid]

I think a Manhattan project for sequestration and encouraging things that are economically sensible, if there are any such things, that reduce carbon emissions would be great. I want no spending on the things I see going on now because they will only make us poorer and will fail to impact carbon emissions meaningfully. IOW they'll make things worse by not stopping climate change and making us too poor to adapt to the changes.

This is all a global re-set to try to equalize the other nations with the prosperous nations and an effort to control our freedoms.  It is the follow the science approach because so called scientist said we are destroying the climate.

[3rdgensooner]

I think a Manhattan project for sequestration and encouraging things that are economically sensible, if there are any such things, that reduce carbon emissions would be great. I want no spending on the things I see going on now because they will only make us poorer and will fail to impact carbon emissions meaningfully. IOW they'll make things worse by not stopping climate change and making us too poor to adapt to the changes.

We have a different approach. I have always seen protection of the environment from a Christian perspective. While we have dominion over the resources of the Earth, we have been placed here to be good and faithful stewards of what the good Lord has provided. He did not grant us permission to carelessly plunder the Earth, He expects us to use the available resources respectively and to preserve and protect those resources for future generations. 
Also, natural conservation of the Earth is an extension of the logic of Conservatism.

I agree. But I do not believe in doing expensive things that won't accomplish what is needed. Driving an electric car makes someone feel like they 're accomplishing something. They are not.

[davebucknut]

The smartest and quickest switch to a cleaner car would be transitioning our current fleet to natural gas burning instead of gasoline burning and nearly every internal combustion engine can run on it with minor modifications.

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[Alabuckeye]

Iâ€m disturbed that my smack talking to China has disappeared

[Soupcity Kid]

I think a Manhattan project for sequestration and encouraging things that are economically sensible, if there are any such things, that reduce carbon emissions would be great. I want no spending on the things I see going on now because they will only make us poorer and will fail to impact carbon emissions meaningfully. IOW they'll make things worse by not stopping climate change and making us too poor to adapt to the changes.

We have a different approach. I have always seen protection of the environment from a Christian perspective. While we have dominion over the resources of the Earth, we have been placed here to be good and faithful stewards of what the good Lord has provided. He did not grant us permission to carelessly plunder the Earth, He expects us to use the available resources respectively and to preserve and protect those resources for future generations. 
Also, natural conservation of the Earth is an extension of the logic of Conservatism.

I agree. But I do not believe in doing expensive things that won't accomplish what is needed. Driving an electric car makes someone feel like they 're accomplishing something. They are not.

Has anyone seen what they go through for the lithium batteries??

[ChinaBuck]

Iâ€m disturbed that my smack talking to China has disappeared

C'mon big boy, post again and show it. I can take anything you throwin' at me and give you back twice. 

So you are saying you posted something and it's now gone? Whatever it was is gone now and I didn't see it before.

[ChinaBuck]

I think a Manhattan project for sequestration and encouraging things that are economically sensible, if there are any such things, that reduce carbon emissions would be great. I want no spending on the things I see going on now because they will only make us poorer and will fail to impact carbon emissions meaningfully. IOW they'll make things worse by not stopping climate change and making us too poor to adapt to the changes.

We have a different approach. I have always seen protection of the environment from a Christian perspective. While we have dominion over the resources of the Earth, we have been placed here to be good and faithful stewards of what the good Lord has provided. He did not grant us permission to carelessly plunder the Earth, He expects us to use the available resources respectively and to preserve and protect those resources for future generations. 
Also, natural conservation of the Earth is an extension of the logic of Conservatism.

I agree. But I do not believe in doing expensive things that won't accomplish what is needed. Driving an electric car makes someone feel like they 're accomplishing something. They are not.

Has anyone seen what they go through for the lithium batteries??

There's a cost to everything - production, use and end-of use recycling/waste. Lithium batteries (and most solar panels) contain minor amounts of heavy metals which is an environmental cost if not contained and is a financial cost if they are. The point is to compare the overall product cycle costs in environmental impact (carbon and greenhouse gases in particular), containment (of environmental toxins), financial costs, and potential reuse (recycling/downcycling). In general there is longterm value to driving a Tesla instead of a Buick Lacrosse if one evaluates all of the costs. But as 3GS suggests, the value is not as great as the greeniacs suggest. But it does make them feel better.