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No, not underestimating any attempts at whatever.  Like I said you all are entitled to your opinions. I don't agree and I'll be right here in USA and there will be home schooling and there will be charter schools and there will be states deciding on how to teach history.  The day what you all fear comes there will be a giant revolution among those 70+ million who won't put up with this. We aren't headed to a NAZI liberal state. There is not one thing liberals have done in last 50 years which has changed my life since I was a kid. Not one.
EDIT: those attempts to impeach? Legal. The spying on Trump? Still investigated. Flynn? Looks to be set free. The election? It's in the courts. ALL the things tried have not worked for liberals and don't be surprised at this next election fraud to be in courts. That is a good sign
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(11-22-2020, 12:03 PM)zigbee Wrote: No, not underestimating any attempts at whatever.  Like I said you all are entitled to your opinions. I don't agree and I'll be right here in USA and there will be home schooling and there will be charter schools and there will be states deciding on how to teach history.  The day what you all fear comes there will be a giant revolution among those 70+ million who won't put up with this. We aren't headed to a NAZI liberal state. There is not one thing liberals have done in last 50 years which has changed my life since I was a kid. Not one.
EDIT: those attempts to impeach? Legal. The spying on Trump? Still investigated. Flynn? Looks to be set free. The election? It's in the courts. ALL the things tried have not worked for liberals and don't be surprised at this next election fraud to be in courts. That is a good sign
Just off the top of my head, legalized baby murder. Homosexual marriage normalized (this one makes me laugh hysterically that something that absolutely counter to all human reason and experience could possibly have come to fruition). Free speech infringed upon (look at FB and Twitter). 2nd amendment constantly under assault. Private property rights under assault via things like environmental regulations. Businesses shut down and/or hampered by the snap of a governor's fingers with no say by the state legislatures. Smoking made illegal in PRIVATE business. etc...Â
Now you personally may have not been affected, but a lot of other people have. The goal posts keep drifting left. To me that is undeniable.
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No one makes someone get an abortion.  Two dudes getting married is their business.  I own guns just the same. Like I said, it's really zero changes.  FB and twitter are ATTEMPTING all this but they are being scrutinized by congress. Is this not good? They are called out?  Would you not be further worried if not ???  Trump also relaxed many environmental issues, none of which made any difference in least one way or another.  Those hammer shut closings are more so in liberal states.  DeWine shut it down a while but I'm back in gym and restaurants open and my hair gets cut. He was also challenged over it by the electorate who voted Trump and had to reopen.
Look, again, you all can be as pessimistic as you wish.  My life is just the same and no different than 50 years ago.
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(11-22-2020, 12:26 PM)zigbee Wrote: No one makes someone get an abortion.  Two dudes getting married is their business.  I own guns just the same. Like I said, it's really zero changes.  FB and twitter are ATTEMPTING all this but they are being scrutinized by congress. Is this not good? They are called out?  Would you not be further worried if not ???  Trump also relaxed many environmental issues, none of which made any difference in least one way or another.  Those hammer shut closings are more so in liberal states.  DeWine shut it down a while but I'm back in gym and restaurants open and my hair gets cut. He was also challenged over it by the electorate who voted Trump and had to reopen.
Look, again, you all can be as pessimistic as you wish.  My life is just the same and no different than 50 years ago.
I didn't say anyone was forced to have an abortion; I'm simply saying that it became legal to murder your unborn child. That's happened in the last 50 years. Â
2 dudes getting "married" is a sign of a nation going absolutely insane. That is the epitome of creeping liberalism. States had routinely voted against it, but liberal justices at the state and federal levels have now normalized it. Â
Guns? In some places it's almost impossible to have one, but if you do it's made irrelevant if you aren't allowed to keep it in your car, etc... Â
FB and twitter are routinely assaulting free speech. No they're not the govt, but that's an awfully nice work-around to censor and/or shut down conservative voices via all sorts of little tricks and gimmicks.Â
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Life for a lot of Americans has changed a lot over the last 50 years.
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My life here in Ohio has not changed ONE DOT over guns, or abortion or gay marriage. ZERO.  Those states where someone may be impacted (the most of this would be guns) decided sometimes to vote in people who did this.
Let me add about FB and twitter: did they not reverse this for NY Post and admit wrong doing? Yes, they did. Their actions further exposed them and the news and that proves that our system bucks this and works to right it
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Was GM a thing 50+ years ago (or ever in the history of civilization)? No. Abortion? No. Drag queens reading story time in elementary schools? No.  etc...  i.e. Society has clearly moved radically left over the last 50 years. Â
Let me ask you this:Â can you speak in the work place as freely as you could, say, just 10-20 years ago?
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(11-22-2020, 12:54 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Was GM a thing 50+ years ago (or ever in the history of civilization)? No. Abortion? No. Drag queens reading story time in elementary schools? No.  etc...  i.e. Society has clearly moved radically left over the last 50 years. Â
Let me ask you this: can you speak in the work place as freely as you could, say, just 10-20 years ago? Gay marriage has not changed my life nor has abortion. No one has to get an abortion and people marrying impacts no one.
Speak freely? Like saying something derogatory in open speech about gay people? Why would I need to do so?  What good would it do me to do so? My life has not changed one bit since the 1960s at all. Now, among friends etc could I say blah.blah blah? Of course, but why would I need to say something about gays, etc to a group in public? To feel better? makes no sense.
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I'll admit the PC stuff is over the top. No argument there.
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(11-22-2020, 01:01 PM)zigbee Wrote: (11-22-2020, 12:54 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Was GM a thing 50+ years ago (or ever in the history of civilization)? No. Abortion? No. Drag queens reading story time in elementary schools? No.  etc...  i.e. Society has clearly moved radically left over the last 50 years. Â
Let me ask you this: can you speak in the work place as freely as you could, say, just 10-20 years ago? Gay marriage has not changed my life nor has abortion. No one has to get an abortion and people marrying impacts no one.
Speak freely? Like saying some derogatory in open speech about gay people? Why would I need to do so?  What good would it do me to do so? My life has not changed one bit since the 1960s at all. Now, among friends etc could I say blah.blah blah? Of course, but why would I need to say something about gays, etc to a group in public? To feel better? makes no sense.
You don't even have to say anything derogatory. Simply complimenting a woman could get you in hot water. Calling some transitioning person the wrong pronoun could affect your employment status. etc...  I didn't say anything about having the need to talk crap about people. I simply asked you if you could speak as freely in the workplace as you once did.  The answer to that is a simple NO. So yeah, you've at least been affected on the speech code front.Â
Gays marrying affects no one? Tell that to some poor kid adopted by a pair of those goofballs. Clearly affects his/her life.  Â
Has the left changed society over the last 50+ years? Clearly, YES. I don't even see how this is even up for debate. But that's like my opinion, man (a little Big Lebowski reference there is all)
Look, I'm not leaving the country. I'm not hiding under my bed. Country is definitely worth fighting for.  I'm just calling it as I see it. The days of gentlemanly governance are over. These people will do anything to advance their agenda.
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That's really the issue. Not derogatory or demeaning speech but just simply not agreeing with what a particular group wants and what leftists have decided is politically correct. IOW you cannot be opposed to gay marriage. That isn't derogatory or "hate". It's an opinion. I have no problem with gay marriage but I do have a problem with the muzzling of political opinion by the left.
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(11-22-2020, 01:17 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: (11-22-2020, 01:01 PM)zigbee Wrote: (11-22-2020, 12:54 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Was GM a thing 50+ years ago (or ever in the history of civilization)? No. Abortion? No. Drag queens reading story time in elementary schools? No.  etc...  i.e. Society has clearly moved radically left over the last 50 years. Â
Let me ask you this: can you speak in the work place as freely as you could, say, just 10-20 years ago? Gay marriage has not changed my life nor has abortion. No one has to get an abortion and people marrying impacts no one.
Speak freely? Like saying some derogatory in open speech about gay people? Why would I need to do so?  What good would it do me to do so? My life has not changed one bit since the 1960s at all. Now, among friends etc could I say blah.blah blah? Of course, but why would I need to say something about gays, etc to a group in public? To feel better? makes no sense.
You don't even have to say anything derogatory. Simply complimenting a woman could get you in hot water. Calling some transitioning person the wrong pronoun could affect your employment status. etc...  I didn't say anything about having the need to talk crap about people. I simply asked you if you could speak as freely in the workplace as you once did.  The answer to that is a simple NO. So yeah, you've at least been affected on the speech code front.Â
Gays marrying affects no one? Tell that to some poor kid adopted by a pair of those goofballs. Clearly affects his/her life.  Â
Has the left changed society over the last 50+ years? Clearly, YES. I don't even see how this is even up for debate. But that's like my opinion, man
Look, I'm not leaving the country. I'm not hiding under my bed. Country is definitely worth fighting for.  I'm just calling it as I see it. The days of gentlemanly governance are over. These people will do anything to advance their agenda. Has anything you mentioned impacted me? No. I never said anyone else like a kid adopted which is a very rare scenario, in fact I'd guess out of a 100 adoptions 1-2 would be to a gay couple which may or may not be abusive.
If I don't need to say derogatory things, or say to a woman you're hot looking today and I DON'T say these things, again, my life is not changed at all.  If I don't have the NEED why even bring it up to make a point? I didn't say these things 50 years ago and am not today, which gets back to the point my life hasn't changed at all.
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I guess we can definitively say that some people's lives have been affected and others haven't and leave it at that. Â
On the political front I will be interested to see where the country goes if Biden actually has won and if those 2 Georgia senate seats flip blue. If they do, then Pitch's view will definitely be on the clock. If the GOP hangs onto those seats and there aren't any folks going off the reservation cough cough Collins cough cough Murkowski cough cough then it's less likely we see the doomsday stuff come to fruition. That said, by hook or crook. Biden will have a political gun pointed at him the entire time before he passes out face first into his tongue depressor bird house. The infamous "pen and the phone" phrase will get resurrected. Book it.
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