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This Catholic is done with the Catholic Church
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(11-18-2020, 05:03 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: Nonsense.  The liturgy, and every element of it, is 100% based on the Bible. 

Uh huh, sure it is. If you want to say the sacrament is in the Bible, sure, I agree, it is good to remember and perform as an occasional thing. It is not the purpose of the Church, though. I don't see how you can take Paul's writings and get anything resembling a formulaic liturgical experience from those writings.

(11-18-2020, 05:03 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: For you to actually say forgiveness of sin, the primary purpose and reason for Christianity,
Yeah, that's not the purpose of Christianity. The purpose of Christianity is to bring glory and praise to God through growth and fellowship in Him.

(11-18-2020, 05:03 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: has little to do with the purpose of church, is like saying making sick people better has nothing to do with hospitals.
Reciting some words like automatons and performing rituals distracts from the purpose of Christianity stated above. Why do you need Church to reflect on forgiveness and remembrance, when you can do that on your own time? You have an opportunity to grow, interact, and encourage each other. That is what church is for.
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(11-18-2020, 05:23 PM)wydileie Wrote:
(11-18-2020, 05:03 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: Nonsense.  The liturgy, and every element of it, is 100% based on the Bible. 

Uh huh, sure it is. If you want to say the sacrament is in the Bible, sure, I agree, it is good to remember and perform as an occasional thing. It is not the purpose of the Church, though. I don't see how you can take Paul's writings and get anything resembling a formulaic liturgical experience from those writings.

Then apparently you either haven't read it or you aren't understanding what you read.

(11-18-2020, 05:03 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: For you to actually say forgiveness of sin, the primary purpose and reason for Christianity,
Yeah, that's not the purpose of Christianity. The purpose of Christianity is to bring glory and praise to God through growth and fellowship in Him.

If you seriously don't understand that the main purpose of Christianity was the sacrifice of Christ for the purpose of forgiving sin, then I don't know where to go with you at this point.

(11-18-2020, 05:03 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: has little to do with the purpose of church, is like saying making sick people better has nothing to do with hospitals.
Reciting some words like automatons and performing rituals distracts from the purpose of Christianity stated above. Why do you need Church to reflect on forgiveness and remembrance, when you can do that on your own time? You have an opportunity to grow, interact, and encourage each other. That is what church is for.

Confession of sin and repentance bring forgiveness of sin.  If you go to a church that does not have that as part of their service, why would you even go?  The entire service is designed around the doctrine of justification or at least it should be.  If you aren't there for that, then what is the point? 
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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Thatâ€s a very selfish view of Christianity to say the purpose was the sacrifice of Jesus to forgive sins. Itâ€s a core component in the belief, yes, but it is not the PURPOSE of the religion. Why do you need to go to church to get forgiveness for your sins? Where does the Bible say that? Iâ€ll wait.

If itâ€s not a necessary component to be forgiven, then why would going to church for that purpose be at all necessary?
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(11-18-2020, 06:02 PM)wydileie Wrote: Thatâ€s a very selfish view of Christianity to say the purpose was the sacrifice of Jesus to forgive sins. Itâ€s a core component in the belief, yes, but it is not the PURPOSE of the religion. Why do you need to go to church to get forgiveness for your sins? Where does the Bible say that? Iâ€ll wait.

If itâ€s not a necessary component to be forgiven, then why would going to church for that purpose be at all necessary?

In the Lutheran church there is clear theology about the purpose of the pastor in the service, the preaching of the law and gospel, confession and repentance, and the sacraments that indicate forgiveness flows from all those things and as such is the primary reason you are there.  But based on what you have said about your church, I see no reason to go to church at all.  You can get good feelings, fellowship and enjoyment by going out with friends and having a few beers.
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(11-18-2020, 09:02 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote: I left the church ages ago.  For me it started with the classic late teen/early 20s years/phase of just not going to church.  Then I married a Lutheran girl pretty much in the same boat.  We got married in a non denominational Christian church.  Some years past and my neighbors introduced me to a Baptist service and I was like...  Whoa!  What is this?  They actually speak from the heart and, get this, use the Bible during the service?!?!  Meaning, the people are following along and not just going through the motions of sitting, standing and kneeling.  That really appealed to me.  Then as you look back at the kid diddling and stuff like what you brought up here?  I definitely feel I made the right choice for myself.  

Look, I was raised in the Catholic Church and I don't wish it any ill will/problems or anything, but it definitely has a lot of problems of their own doing.  The powers that be need to do some serious self reflection when they start talking gay marriage and insanity like this.  etc...
Awesome Scarlet. I was born/raised in Catholic Church. Even Alter boy for 6-8 grade. That Religion is on crack. No way you can find God if you are searching going to a Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is a HUGE reason why so many people think Christianity is for crazy people.
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(11-18-2020, 06:07 AM)K9Buck Wrote: I am now a non-denominational Christian.  

There are some things that disturb me about the Catholic Church.  

A few years ago I saw pictures of Pope John Paul II kissing the Koran.  To me, this was an extraordinary act of betrayal to Jesus Christ.  As you may know, Jesus was brutally honest and critical of nonbelievers, especially with the religious leaders of the time known as the "Pharisees".  He called them "vipers" and "hypocrites" and "liars", etc.  Jesus never sugarcoated anything.  

What would Jesus have done had someone presented him with a Koran?  Yea, I know, Islam wasn't created until centuries later but just go with it, ok?  The Koran says that Jesus is NOT the messiah.  It is a blasphemous book.  Would Jesus have kissed it and played nice with those that gave it to him.  The answer is - HELL NO!  Jesus would have thrown that book onto the ground and given them a stern lecture.  

Years later, the Church has a Pope that has decided NOT to follow the example of Jesus and likes to foray into the political realm.  The U.S. bishops formally recognized and congratulated Joe Biden.  

Jesus NEVER did such things.  He avoided politics and "social-justice" causes.  Jesus focused on getting people to follow him and to live a life that is pleasing to him.  If everyone did that, politics and "social-justice" would have taken care of themselves.  Of course, Jesus told us that this world is under the control of Satan and his legions of demons.  Jesus knew that mankind would not, on their own, be able to overcome Satan.  That's why Jesus came to show us the path to salvation while simultaneously sacrificing himself as the "lamb" to pay our "toll" for our countless sins.  As Jesus said, the only way to the father is through him.  Moving on, Jesus never discussed politics and certainly never congratulated humans for political appointments.  So why do the Pope and U.S. bishops do so?  Do they know more than Jesus?  

When driving or laying down to sleep, I often put on various preachers on YouTube to hear their take on things.  If they delve into politics, I stop listening because I know that they're a fraud.  

A Christian who decides to become a priest, pastor, preacher, etc., is obligated by the example that Jesus set to remain true to his example.  If I ever decide to become a preacher, I will refrain from EVER speaking about political matters.  

Anyway, the Catholic Church has demonstrated to me that they are not to be taken seriously.  They are lost.  I believe it's due to tremendous Satanic and demonic influence, to which many have happily succumbed.  I don't need to follow them any longer.  

Any thoughts?

I did the same as you years ago. The current pope is forming the one world religion. He may be the false prophet in revelation. Congratulations. You did the right thing.
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