Why do you believe that Biden is better for America?

[davebucknut]

Yes.  As I said, your view is on the clock.  Iâ€ll give it a fair shake, but I think we both know that if the Dems win both those senate seats itâ€s game over.  Honestly, even if the GOP keeps both seats we have Collins and Murkowski chomping at the bit to give the left everything theyâ€ve ever asked for

You know that Obama had the house and senate for the first two years?

Yepand he rammed through obamacare with 0 GOP votes because of it and it has destroyed our healthcare ever since.

He also didn't do jack ***** for illegal aliens or immigration reform, proving that the left doesn't really care about immigrants, but they sure do love the carrot of promising legalization.

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[davebucknut]

And he invested completely in passing Obama Care, paying off his supporters with a phony trillion dollar stimulus package, horrible financial regulation policy, nationalizing the auto industry, and more student loan nonsense.

Please...Congress provided the bill for Obamacare.   If you're going to criticize spending by Dems, you're barking up the wrong tree.  R or D, they're all the same.

And much of it was written by Obama's elitist advisors.   YOU brought up that Obama had Congress for his first two years.  I am just pointing out the damage he did with it.  As for Obama's spending, his trillion dollar stimulus package was nothing but a boondoggle to pay back his supporters including government unions.  Also remember Solyndra and the other phony green companies he gave our tax dollars too for their support?

I don't disagree with most of that, but government spending is not a Dem issue.  How much of your life truly changed because of Obama?

The biggest government spendng is clearly a Democrat issue.  I have already pointed out that nearly two thirds of the budget is Democrat entitlement spending.

Something that I too have pointed out several times (albeit not on here), but the dems refuse to cut 1 penny from any of their pet projects and always make it seem as though "millions of people will die" if they do.

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[davebucknut]

Please...Congress provided the bill for Obamacare.   If you're going to criticize spending by Dems, you're barking up the wrong tree.  R or D, they're all the same.

And much of it was written by Obama's elitist advisors.   YOU brought up that Obama had Congress for his first two years.  I am just pointing out the damage he did with it.  As for Obama's spending, his trillion dollar stimulus package was nothing but a boondoggle to pay back his supporters including government unions.  Also remember Solyndra and the other phony green companies he gave our tax dollars too for their support?

I don't disagree with most of that, but government spending is not a Dem issue.  How much of your life truly changed because of Obama?

The biggest government spendng is clearly a Democrat issue.  I have already pointed out that nearly two thirds of the budget is Democrat entitlement spending.

 Ok, but how much of your life changed under Obama?

A lot.
My Healthcare premiums have doubled, deductibles have tripled, and he corrupted the govt beyond repair.

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[davebucknut]

Obama basically trashed my career and my life and my specialty. I spend at least a full day a week extra working to deal with mandates under ACA and Hitech and I get far less real work done that would actually benefit my patients. No question at least 8 hours a week of uncompensated useless gummint BS. A day I could actually spend being a physician or enjoying my life. GD low life dimwitted scumbags.  A big part of why you can't find a primary care physician because no one in their right mind graduating med school will do it unless they have no other option.

Wife and I have had about 5 different primary care physician's during the Obama years.  Each time we went to the Dr they put us with someone new because the previous one left to start his own private care.

Yep we couldn't keep our Dr. Or our insurance as I've had a different Dr and Ins every year since.

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[P1tchblack]

Yes.  As I said, your view is on the clock.  Iâ€ll give it a fair shake, but I think we both know that if the Dems win both those senate seats itâ€s game over.  Honestly, even if the GOP keeps both seats we have Collins and Murkowski chomping at the bit to give the left everything theyâ€ve ever asked for

You know that Obama had the house and senate for the first two years?

Yepand he rammed through obamacare with 0 GOP votes because of it and it has destroyed our healthcare ever since.

He also didn't do jack ***** for illegal aliens or immigration reform, proving that the left doesn't really care about immigrants, but they sure do love the carrot of promising legalization.

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How has our healthcare been destroyed?

[3rdgensooner]

By most measures health has declined and life expectancy declined for the first time in half a century during the Obama administration. Although premature death is probably the best measure and that has increased, not good. So basically people were less healthy and more died. That is in fact a big deal. The problem is they focus on insurance then try to micromanage anyone who accepts the insurance. So essentially you have professionals being micromanaged by idiots and the result is predictable. I get they want to control cost and know what they're paying for. The problem is they're out of their league and they get in the way.  No, the Dems and Obama did massive damage to healthcare and the health of the nation. We need Georgia to stave off more damage and damage to other industries for at least a little while.

[P1tchblack]

To summarize here, nobody has been able to explain how the country has been turned upside down or destroyed by the Obama administration. The same Obama administration that was attacked before during and after his terms by every right-wing media outlet and talking head.

[P1tchblack]

And, I suspect that no Democrat would be able to explain how Trump ruined the country either. Does that stop the rhetoric by any of the cable news channels or other liberal outlets? Nope. Why, because they don't care about reality. They care about ratings and clicks.

[ScarletHayes]

Do you believe the country/govt has moved farther left since 2008?  In other words, are we closer today to the looming fecal show than we were in 2008?  The answer to me is pretty obvious.  When he said fundamental transformation I believe him.  Why would you casually say something so out of left field (pun intended) like that, for laughs?

[Hightop77]

By most measures health has declined and life expectancy declined for the first time in half a century during the Obama administration.

I would bet mostly related to demographic changes.  Look at the reduction in life expectancy in cities with large violent ghetto areas where you have crack babies and gang/drug violence.  Welcome to the jungle.

[3rdgensooner]

Demographic changes don't occur that quickly. Heroin and damage to the healthcare system were the likely culprits.

[3rdgensooner]

I never said the Obama admin destroyed the country but I did give examples of damage. My view is the Dems do damage and the GOP doesn't fix anything. Destroying takes time but prolonged Dem policies over time may do so. A look at our cities can give you a sense of where that may head as well as a look at countries that went that route to too great an extent. Some took on the damage then stepped back like the UK. Some went over the cliff like Venezuela.

[P1tchblack]

Do you believe the country/govt has moved farther left since 2008?  In other words, are we closer today to the looming fecal show than we were in 2008?  The answer to me is pretty obvious.  When he said fundamental transformation I believe him.  Why would you casually say something so out of left field (pun intended) like that, for laughs?

I think in some ways we've moved left, but not all of them are bad.  What do you see as the obvious moves to the left?