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Let's talk about being "born again"
#85
"believe in Him and the one true God."

At least we finally agree that they're separate entities.
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#86
(11-17-2020, 08:13 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: "believe in Him and the one true God."

At least we finally agree that they're separate entities.

Grammar was obviously not your best subject.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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#87
(11-17-2020, 08:10 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-17-2020, 07:59 AM)Orbit1 Wrote:
(11-16-2020, 04:46 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-16-2020, 04:43 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(11-16-2020, 04:34 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: Yeah.  That means it's not the same God.

Only if you believe that Jesus and God are the same entity, which seems odd unless you believe that Jesus frequently prayed to himself .

If Christians believe in the Trinity including the deity of Christ and Jews don't, how can it be the same God they believe in?

Ask a Messianic Jew if they believe in the same God. Hint...they do. Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Just because some do not recognize Yeshua as Messiah yet, does not mean they believe in Allah. It sounds like youâ€re getting into Replacement Theology here, which if you are, is 100% false.

Messianic Jews have lots of bad ideas so why would I ask them anything?  They want to keep one foot in Judaism and one foot in Christianity.  If you don't believe in the doctrine of the Trinity, then not only are you not a Christian, but you have a different God. Jesus scolded the Jews constantly for their refusal to believe in Him and the one true God.

What?? A Messianic Jew is one that has believed that Jesus IS their long awaited Messiah and has been born again. I canâ€t believe Iâ€m siding with Pitch here, but you are 100% completely wrong on this.
So whatâ€s your thoughts on the Torah? Also read Romans chapter 11. If they worship a different God, what in the world are we as Gentiles, being “grafted into”?
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#88
(11-17-2020, 08:51 AM)Orbit1 Wrote:
(11-17-2020, 08:10 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-17-2020, 07:59 AM)Orbit1 Wrote:
(11-16-2020, 04:46 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-16-2020, 04:43 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: Only if you believe that Jesus and God are the same entity, which seems odd unless you believe that Jesus frequently prayed to himself .

If Christians believe in the Trinity including the deity of Christ and Jews don't, how can it be the same God they believe in?

Ask a Messianic Jew if they believe in the same God. Hint...they do. Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Just because some do not recognize Yeshua as Messiah yet, does not mean they believe in Allah. It sounds like youâ€re getting into Replacement Theology here, which if you are, is 100% false.

Messianic Jews have lots of bad ideas so why would I ask them anything?  They want to keep one foot in Judaism and one foot in Christianity.  If you don't believe in the doctrine of the Trinity, then not only are you not a Christian, but you have a different God. Jesus scolded the Jews constantly for their refusal to believe in Him and the one true God.

What?? A Messianic Jew is one that has believed that Jesus IS their long awaited Messiah and has been born again. I canâ€t believe Iâ€m siding with Pitch here, but you are 100% completely wrong on this.
So whatâ€s your thoughts on the Torah? Also read Romans chapter 11. If they worship a different God, what in the world are we as Gentiles, being “grafted into”?
It is a matter of reason and logic at this point if you don't believe the words of Jesus.  If Christians believe in the God of the Holy Trinity and fulfillment of the promise of the OT, how is it rationally possible that the Jew of today who has a religion that completely ignores that fulfillment believes in the same God?  Jews are no different than any atheist or someone who practices a completely different religion.  How you can read the New Testament and think differently makes no sense.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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#89
(11-17-2020, 08:30 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-17-2020, 08:13 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: "believe in Him and the one true God."

At least we finally agree that they're separate entities.

Grammar was obviously not your best subject.

All you had to do was replace "and" with a comma to be consistent.
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#90
Christians and Jews believe in the same God.  Many Jews are simply still in waiting for the Messiah to come.  i.e. they simply missed the boat. 

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#91
Hightop... Explain to me Romans 11. Also what are your thoughts on the Torah?
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#92
(11-17-2020, 09:26 AM)Orbit1 Wrote: Hightop... Explain to me Romans 11. Also what are your thoughts on the Torah?

Sorry, but I have no interest in writing a Bible commentary today, not that I would be qualified to do so regardless.  

If Jews worship the same God, then they believe the revelations of that God through the written word.  They clearly do not believe those revelations and therefore are worshiping something completely different.  Most actually worship the god of Leftism now.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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#93
(11-17-2020, 09:31 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-17-2020, 09:26 AM)Orbit1 Wrote: Hightop... Explain to me Romans 11. Also what are your thoughts on the Torah?

Sorry, but I have no interest in writing a Bible commentary today, not that I would be qualified to do so regardless.  

If Jews worship the same God, then they believe the revelations of that God through the written word.  They clearly do not believe those revelations and therefore are worshiping something completely different.  Most actually worship the god of Leftism now.

That's true of a lot of Christians as well.  

Doctrine wise though?  They worship (or allegedly anyway) the same God.  It's why you often hear the term Judeo-Christian as a descriptor.
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#94
(11-17-2020, 08:51 AM)Orbit1 Wrote:
(11-17-2020, 08:10 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-17-2020, 07:59 AM)Orbit1 Wrote:
(11-16-2020, 04:46 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-16-2020, 04:43 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: Only if you believe that Jesus and God are the same entity, which seems odd unless you believe that Jesus frequently prayed to himself .

If Christians believe in the Trinity including the deity of Christ and Jews don't, how can it be the same God they believe in?

Ask a Messianic Jew if they believe in the same God. Hint...they do. Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Just because some do not recognize Yeshua as Messiah yet, does not mean they believe in Allah. It sounds like youâ€re getting into Replacement Theology here, which if you are, is 100% false.

Messianic Jews have lots of bad ideas so why would I ask them anything?  They want to keep one foot in Judaism and one foot in Christianity.  If you don't believe in the doctrine of the Trinity, then not only are you not a Christian, but you have a different God. Jesus scolded the Jews constantly for their refusal to believe in Him and the one true God.

What?? A Messianic Jew is one that has believed that Jesus IS their long awaited Messiah and has been born again. I canâ€t believe Iâ€m siding with Pitch here, but you are 100% completely wrong on this.
So whatâ€s your thoughts on the Torah? Also read Romans chapter 11. If they worship a different God, what in the world are we as Gentiles, being “grafted into”?

We were grafted into the promise of the one true God.  I guarantee you we were not grafted into what constitutes Judaism today.  Or perhaps maybe you were?
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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#95
(11-17-2020, 09:36 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote:
(11-17-2020, 09:31 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-17-2020, 09:26 AM)Orbit1 Wrote: Hightop... Explain to me Romans 11. Also what are your thoughts on the Torah?

Sorry, but I have no interest in writing a Bible commentary today, not that I would be qualified to do so regardless.  

If Jews worship the same God, then they believe the revelations of that God through the written word.  They clearly do not believe those revelations and therefore are worshiping something completely different.  Most actually worship the god of Leftism now.

That's true of a lot of Christians as well.  

Doctrine wise though?  They worship (or allegedly anyway) the same God.  It's why you often hear the term Judeo-Christian as a descriptor.

There is an obvious link between Old and New Testament.  From that flows the term Judeo-Christian.  That is not the issue here however.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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#96
In current practice you have a point.  Again though, you could say the same thing about many Christians.  Biblically speaking though, they believe in the same God
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