We Have a Vaccine UPDATE: POLL ADDED NOW!!

[bucklam66]

Good news.

[Hightop77]

Thats good news. 

Not sure Trump or Biden or any politician had anything to do with it, but its good news for America and the world. 

Next year, could be big for the economy if the vaccine means we can get back to work.

I'm pretty sure Biden had nothing to do with it.  Like Trump or not, he is a doer and gets things done and has a business background to prove it.  Of course he could have personally developed the vaccine and he would still not get credit and they would more likely find some reason to attack him for not being fast enough.

[3rdgensooner]

94 patients is sufficient? I was discussing this with my wife this morning, who is in the field (statistical programmer in SAS language, working on analyzing clinical trial data for efficacy and safety) and she said that sample size was small.

A test group size of 94 with a sample standard deviation (I didn't have the exact standard deviation, but samples are pretty accurate for this size of data set) give a 95% confidence level that the range falls between 84-96% effective, a 99% confidence level that the range falls between 82-98% effective, or a 99.9% confidence level that the range falls between 80-100% effective. 

In layman's terms, a sample size that large means that there is only ~1:1000 chance the vaccine is less than 80% effective, and a pretty reliable chance it is quite a bit more effective than that.

I'm take what you're laying down, brutha. I guess the part I am not quite following is how they concluded 90% of the patients were immune from COVID.  Are they testing for COVID antibodies and finding them on 90% of their population? If so, that would be INCREDIBLE.

No. You're way off. They test the 10s of thousands they gave the vaccine for antibodies. My understanding is nearly 100% develop antibodies. The 94 cases are people who developed COVID 19 in the study. Both placebo and vaccine arms. This means virtually all the people who got COVID in the study were in the placebo arm.
The total in the study is between 36-44K people. All are tested for antibodies before and during the trial. Phase 2 showed after 2 shots almost everyone had more antibodies than people who actually had COVID 19. Phase 3 is real world. How many get COVID 19 in the vaccine arm versus the placebo arm. My guess is 90 or so of the cases got the  placebo. Next they'll look at how people who got the vaccine and still got COVID do compared to unvaccinated patients. Do they get more or less sick? Also did the cases only occur in people who didn't have a good antibody response to the vaccine

I'm way off because you didn't answer my question correctly on the first page of this thread on why 94 patients was a sufficient sample size. I now re-read the Yahoo story and it mentions 44,000 participants. The story didn't have that detail in it 4 hours ago.

Anyway, yeah 44,000 participants is a much different story. Plenty of sample size.

I'm sorry. I assume sometimes people know what I know. My bad.

[Iowa Mels]

I wonder if Harris will take a dose of it?  Is it okay, now that Joe was elected?

[3rdgensooner]

At ths point safety is known really. Around 20K have had the vaccine with no serious reported reactions. The added on time was due to TDS. No scientific or medical rationale given because there isn't any. So what I'm wondering now is how many doses can they deliver and when. This vaccine needs to stay frozen. Now this isn't a new thing and medical facilities and those that supply them deal with those issues all the time but it does add in a complication with such a large project. I'm hoping the Feds will stick to writing checks and not get too involved total screwups that they are. I'll be thrilled if Pfizer can vaccinate 25 million fully in December/January. If you approved for over 65 for the first roll out that would hit half of the population(about 55 million people are over 65) that accounts for three quarters of the deaths. Get the rest with the next round and their caregivers and although you haven't immunized the population you've cut out the majority of the deaths. Then go after other high risk patients and between that and natural immunity of the younger ones who caught it cases should eventually collapse. Then you want to look at the duration of immunity from natural infection and vaccination to determine what next if anything. 
Just rambling, I'm excited.

[Conanthelibrarian]

Thats good news. 

Not sure Trump or Biden or any politician had anything to do with it, but its good news for America and the world. 

Next year, could be big for the economy if the vaccine means we can get back to work.

I'm pretty sure Biden had nothing to do with it.  Like Trump or not, he is a doer and gets things done and has a business background to prove it.  Of course he could have personally developed the vaccine and he would still not get credit and they would more likely find some reason to attack him for not being fast enough.

I agree that Trump got a lot of good things done.  Just not sure he had much to do with this vaccine.  Would have probably helped him if this news came out last week though.  
Biden will probably take credit for it now though. 
As a side note to your last statement, it will be interesting to see the tenor of the media change toward the office of President now that thier guy is in and Trump is out.  Not sure who they are going to demonize now.  Mitch?  Racist whites who dont go along with everything Democrats want?

[Alabuckeye]

Mitch is on deck for the role of most hated man in America.

I'm glad there is a vaccine.

The media tone will shift dramatically.

The scientists should get all the credit for the vaccine.

[3rdgensooner]

The scientific community has done Nobel Prize winning stuff here. 
The Trump administration came up with Operation Warp Speed. If it had been Obama or anyone with a D heading the administration the press would have sainted that person by now and the Nobel would be a lock. This is a huge win for the current administration and of tremendous benefit to the entire world.
Quite frankly though if Obama or Biden had been in charge I think things would be a lot worse economically and likely much slower treatment and vaccine development. They botched H1N1 badly and just got lucky it wasn't bad and then did nothing at all to improve response, actually they made things worse.
So credit the scientists with the vaccine and the administration for the speed.

[Hightop77]

Thats good news. 

Not sure Trump or Biden or any politician had anything to do with it, but its good news for America and the world. 

Next year, could be big for the economy if the vaccine means we can get back to work.

I'm pretty sure Biden had nothing to do with it.  Like Trump or not, he is a doer and gets things done and has a business background to prove it.  Of course he could have personally developed the vaccine and he would still not get credit and they would more likely find some reason to attack him for not being fast enough.

I agree that Trump got a lot of good things done.  Just not sure he had much to do with this vaccine.  Would have probably helped him if this news came out last week though.  
Biden will probably take credit for it now though. 
As a side note to your last statement, it will be interesting to see the tenor of the media change toward the office of President now that thier guy is in and Trump is out.  Not sure who they are going to demonize now.  Mitch?  Racist whites who dont go along with everything Democrats want?

The demonization by the media will be against anyone who refuses to be compliant with the Leftist agenda.  Obviously, Biden and Harris will never be criticized by the media just like Obama wasn't.  1984 is here. The media will tell you how great things are now with Biden in charge and you better believe it or else.  Reality for most of the country is determined by what the media says.  Remember the bad economy while Obama was in office was just the "new norm" and not a problem to be fixed.

[Beastdog]

I wonder how many lives will be lost due to Pfizer's decision to delay reporting the success of their vaccine until after the election.

[Georgem80]

I wonder how many lives will be lost due to Pfizer's decision to delay reporting the success of their vaccine until after the election.

I donâ€t know. But they are denying being a part of Warp Speed. Iâ€m sure itâ€s semantics, but it was a conscious decision thatâ€s for sure


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[zigbee]

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said that while it is "good news" that Pfizer has had a recent breakthrough in its coronavirus vaccine clinical trial, he believes it is "bad news" that the Trump administration will get to plan the distribution.


In an interview with George Stephanopoulos on ABC's "Good Morning America" on Monday, Cuomo said he has spoken to other governors about how they can alter or even block Trump's plan so that President-elect Joe Biden could do it instead.


"Well, it's good news, bad news, George," Cuomo said. "The good news is the Pfizer tests look good and we'll have a vaccine shortly. The bad news is it's about two months before Joe Biden takes over, and that means this administration is going to be implementing a vaccine plan."


Cuomo pointed to the scale of the distribution project, which he estimated would involve as many as 330 million vaccinations -- which could require two doses -- compared to 120 million coronavirus tests performed in the U.S. in seven months.

"And the Trump administration is rolling out the vaccination plan and I believe it's flawed," Cuomo continued. "I believe it learns nothing from the past. They're basically going to have the private providers do it, and that's going to leave out all sorts of communities that were left out the first time when COVID ravaged them."

Stephanopoulos then asked Cuomo what Biden could do that Trump will not do, and Cuomo immediately went back to discussing his problems with Trump.

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"The Biden administration -- when you deny a problem the way Trump did, you could never solve it," Cuomo said. "And that's true in life." He then claimed that the Trump administration "denied COVID" despite Trump having a White House coronavirus task force that gave regular updates in the early stages of the pandemic as well as White House guidelines for a multiphase reopening strategy.

Cuomo then reiterated his claim that Trump's plan would leave out certain communities and said, “Iâ€m sure the Biden administrationâ€s going to address that."

The governor discussed what he hopes to do to affect Trump's distribution plan.

"You have two months, and we canâ€t let this vaccination plan go forward the way the Trump administration is designing it because Biden canâ€t undo it two months later, weâ€ll be in the midst of it. And I'm going — I've been talking to governors across the nation about that; how can we shape the Trump administration vaccine plan to fix it, or stop it before it does damage."

After the interview aired, Sen. Ben Sasse, R-Neb., issued a statement blasting Cuomo for his remarks.

“What on earth is Governor Cuomo talking about? This is great news and everyone - Republicans and Democrats and apolitical folks - should all be jointly thrilled about the possibility of an effective vaccine,” Sasse said. “After this nasty virus has killed hundreds of thousands of Americans and put millions out of work, it is beyond disgusting that Governor Cuomo would use a glimmer of hope for another worn-out ‘Trump is bad†talking point. When we get a vaccine, weâ€re going to need all hands on deck distributing it as fast as possible - shamelessly politicizing this is dangerous and stupid.”

“The vaccine plan is very important and it's probably the most ambitious undertaking since COVID began.”@GStephanopoulos talks to @NYGovCuomo about the race for a vaccine. https://t.co/vf4hb5Fzyn pic.twitter.com/1FpPXSah4t

— Good Morning America (@GMA) November 9, 2020

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[K9Buck]

I wonder how many lives will be lost due to Pfizer's decision to delay reporting the success of their vaccine until after the election.

Who cares?  That's a small price to pay to get China-Joe into office!

[zigbee]

Biden coronavirus adviser Dr. Zeke Emanuel once argued it's not worth living past 75
Biden is 77



Oncologist Dr. Zeke Emanuel, one of 10 advisory board members named to Democratic President-elect Joe Biden's coronavirus task force, argued in a 2014 essay that he doesn't want to live past 75.

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Emanuel, 63, wrote that "by 75, creativity, originality and productivity are pretty much gone for the vast, vast majority of us" in his 2014 essay "Why I Hope to Die at 75."

Biden is 77.



"Since 1960, however, increases in longevity have been achieved mainly by extending the lives of people over 60. Rather than saving more young people, we are stretching out old age," Emanuel wrote in the essay.


"It is true that compared with their counterparts 50 years ago, seniors today are less disabled and more mobile," he continued. "But over recent decades, increases in longevity seem to have been accompanied by increases in disability—not decreases."

Emanuel clarified in the essay that he opposes physician-assisted suicide.

"I am talking about how long I want to live and the kind and amount of health care I will consent to after 75," he wrote. "Americans seem to be obsessed with exercising, doing mental puzzles, consuming various juice and protein concoctions, sticking to strict diets, and popping vitamins and supplements, all in a valiant effort to cheat death and prolong life as long as possible."

[3rdgensooner]

Cuomo is an idiot. The election's over dummy give it a rest. That Trump is using private companies is a good thing. If Biden has the Feds take over it will be a giant cluster F in short order.