We Have a Vaccine UPDATE: POLL ADDED NOW!!

[ChinaBuck]

I'm an architect, so I'll probably be dead before they get to my category.

[ChinaBuck]

Beijing has had a spate of cases in the last week/10 days, so the virus protocols have significantly ratcheted up. They are doing massive amount of nucleic acid testing all across Beijing. Our office group had to go this morning. This is set up outside in parks. Today it is 12 F with a 25mph wind (-11 C with 40kph wind), so it was a bit brisk outside while we waited in line. That said, I was impressed with the efficiency of it all in testing such significant numbers in so short a time.

I have no clue when we will be vaccinated.

[ChinaBuck]

3GS, how does the distribution of the placebo work? Do half get the meds and the other half get the placebo? Or is it more like a 60/40, or 80/20 thing?

Almost all the trials are 50/50 but for some reason AstraZeneca went 2 to 1 vaccine to placebo. That will make the trial take longer if the vaccine works because itâ€ll take longer to see enough cases.

Thanks, that is interesting to know. I'm assuming AstraZeneca went with 2:1 since they had a high level of confidence in the vaccine.

[ChinaBuck]

Beijing has had a spate of cases in the last week/10 days, so the virus protocols have significantly ratcheted up. They are doing massive amount of nucleic acid testing all across Beijing. Our office group had to go this morning. This is set up outside in parks. Today it is 12 F with a 25mph wind (-11 C with 40kph wind), so it was a bit brisk outside while we waited in line. That said, I was impressed with the efficiency of it all in testing such significant numbers in so short a time.

I have no clue when we will be vaccinated.

I got my test result back already. That was fast. Sorry for your luck folks. Looks like Iâ€m still alive, and thus, will still be posting.

[3rdgensooner]

Beijing has had a spate of cases in the last week/10 days, so the virus protocols have significantly ratcheted up. They are doing massive amount of nucleic acid testing all across Beijing. Our office group had to go this morning. This is set up outside in parks. Today it is 12 F with a 25mph wind (-11 C with 40kph wind), so it was a bit brisk outside while we waited in line. That said, I was impressed with the efficiency of it all in testing such significant numbers in so short a time.

I have no clue when we will be vaccinated.

I got my test result back already. That was fast. Sorry for your luck folks. Looks like Iâ€m still alive, and thus, will still be posting.

Russia just admitted it was fudging COVID numbers. Knowing that you could land in jail there for answering would you say the Chinese government is reporting COVID numbers there accurately?

[dkeener67]

Beijing has had a spate of cases in the last week/10 days, so the virus protocols have significantly ratcheted up. They are doing massive amount of nucleic acid testing all across Beijing. Our office group had to go this morning. This is set up outside in parks. Today it is 12 F with a 25mph wind (-11 C with 40kph wind), so it was a bit brisk outside while we waited in line. That said, I was impressed with the efficiency of it all in testing such significant numbers in so short a time.

I have no clue when we will be vaccinated.

Do you think they really tested you?  How much do you trust the gov there regarding anything about covid?  (Or maybe you shouldnt answer that)

[3rdgensooner]

Chinabuck? Uh oh.

[ChinaBuck]

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[ChinaBuck]

Hello, You know me as your fellow board participant. I will now be very happy to tell you all the happy things where I live.

[ChinaBuck]

Beijing has had a spate of cases in the last week/10 days, so the virus protocols have significantly ratcheted up. They are doing massive amount of nucleic acid testing all across Beijing. Our office group had to go this morning. This is set up outside in parks. Today it is 12 F with a 25mph wind (-11 C with 40kph wind), so it was a bit brisk outside while we waited in line. That said, I was impressed with the efficiency of it all in testing such significant numbers in so short a time.

I have no clue when we will be vaccinated.

I got my test result back already. That was fast. Sorry for your luck folks. Looks like Iâ€m still alive, and thus, will still be posting.

Russia just admitted it was fudging COVID numbers. Knowing that you could land in jail there for answering would you say the Chinese government is reporting COVID numbers there accurately?

The Chinese CDC reported yesterday that the infection rate in the general Wuhan area was likely about 10 times more widespread than originally believed. If so, in that area, based upon antibody test analysis, approximately 500,000 people at some point had the virus. They said the infection rate outside of the general Wuhan area remains at the much lower level reported and that was due to the dramatic actions taken to shut down the Wuhan area.

[ChinaBuck]

Beijing has had a spate of cases in the last week/10 days, so the virus protocols have significantly ratcheted up. They are doing massive amount of nucleic acid testing all across Beijing. Our office group had to go this morning. This is set up outside in parks. Today it is 12 F with a 25mph wind (-11 C with 40kph wind), so it was a bit brisk outside while we waited in line. That said, I was impressed with the efficiency of it all in testing such significant numbers in so short a time.

I have no clue when we will be vaccinated.

Do you think they really tested you?  How much do you trust the gov there regarding anything about covid?  (Or maybe you shouldnt answer that)

Actually I do think they are really testing. China has a huge pharmaceutical industry and lab capacity so given the situation, I do think it is possible. 
The challenge in China is not their ability to figure things out scientifically/medically, it has more to do with getting the information properly represented as it goes through the chain of government review. Something that is an issue in the US as well. The Chinese government can act with more efficiency and speed than the US government but it is more difficult to deal with what might be seen as not good news.

[3rdgensooner]

So I unblinded from the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine study. I did get immunized against COVID. They then recommended I don't get the Pfizer vaccine and kind of freaked out when I said I was going to anyway. I'll tell the doc supervising the vaccinations where I'm going. But AZ and Pfizer are going to run a Phase 3 trial using both vaccines in the UK and the reasons why makes sense. The CDC recommends people who have had COVID get the vaccine as well. My main issue is what would be the best timing? Should I space it a bit more? The max antibody response for the Oxford vaccine in Phase 2 was 45 days which was Christmas Eve for me. 
Am I going to be less cautious? Probably. Not stupid and careless but I'm not sitting home as much from here on out. But I'll follow guidelines I don't want to get a mild case and spread it to coworkers and patients.

[ChinaBuck]

Beijing has had a spate of cases in the last week/10 days, so the virus protocols have significantly ratcheted up. They are doing massive amount of nucleic acid testing all across Beijing. Our office group had to go this morning. This is set up outside in parks. Today it is 12 F with a 25mph wind (-11 C with 40kph wind), so it was a bit brisk outside while we waited in line. That said, I was impressed with the efficiency of it all in testing such significant numbers in so short a time.

I have no clue when we will be vaccinated.

I got my test result back already. That was fast. Sorry for your luck folks. Looks like Iâ€m still alive, and thus, will still be posting.

Russia just admitted it was fudging COVID numbers. Knowing that you could land in jail there for answering would you say the Chinese government is reporting COVID numbers there accurately?

The Chinese CDC reported yesterday that the infection rate in the general Wuhan area was likely about 10 times more widespread than originally believed. If so, in that area, based upon antibody test analysis, approximately 500,000 people at some point had the virus. They said the infection rate outside of the general Wuhan area remains at the much lower level reported and that was due to the dramatic actions taken to shut down the Wuhan area.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-covid-1...1324.html 

This article explains some of what I posted yesterday.

[3rdgensooner]

Beijing has had a spate of cases in the last week/10 days, so the virus protocols have significantly ratcheted up. They are doing massive amount of nucleic acid testing all across Beijing. Our office group had to go this morning. This is set up outside in parks. Today it is 12 F with a 25mph wind (-11 C with 40kph wind), so it was a bit brisk outside while we waited in line. That said, I was impressed with the efficiency of it all in testing such significant numbers in so short a time.

I have no clue when we will be vaccinated.

I got my test result back already. That was fast. Sorry for your luck folks. Looks like Iâ€m still alive, and thus, will still be posting.

Russia just admitted it was fudging COVID numbers. Knowing that you could land in jail there for answering would you say the Chinese government is reporting COVID numbers there accurately?

The Chinese CDC reported yesterday that the infection rate in the general Wuhan area was likely about 10 times more widespread than originally believed. If so, in that area, based upon antibody test analysis, approximately 500,000 people at some point had the virus. They said the infection rate outside of the general Wuhan area remains at the much lower level reported and that was due to the dramatic actions taken to shut down the Wuhan area.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-covid-1...1324.html 

This article explains some of what I posted yesterday.

It says 5%. Seems low. Some areas of New York back in August had antibody test rates up to 33% and I'd put the lowest estimate for the US at 10% now and likely more like 15-20%.