Biden reaches (allegedly) 270, now let's talk recounts, voting audits & court battles

[Hightop77]

Hey Jacket, if leftists truly support a citizen's right to carry a gun, why then is it nearly impossible to obtain a conceal-carry permit in leftist jurisdictions?

Excellent question, and I'm sure the answer would vary by jurisdiction. Some may be a holdover from concealed carry being a relatively new phenomenon (Ohio didn't allow concealed carry until 2004). Some may be part of a transition from may-issue to shall-issue laws. Some may also have low reciprocity.

I'm unfamiliar with permitting requirements in all jurisdictions. Very few allow totally unrestricted concealed carry. Georgia, including that liberal bastion that is Atlanta, makes it pretty easy to obtain a concealed carry permit.

So yeah, I think it's a more complicated answer than your one-line question insinuates.

In many states, local jurisdictions cannot pass gun control laws because there is a state law that says that can only be done at the state level.  Georgia is probably like that otherwise the morons that run Atlanta would have strict gun laws.

[davebucknut]

Hey Jacket, if leftists truly support a citizen's right to carry a gun, why then is it nearly impossible to obtain a conceal-carry permit in leftist jurisdictions?

Excellent question, and I'm sure the answer would vary by jurisdiction. Some may be a holdover from concealed carry being a relatively new phenomenon (Ohio didn't allow concealed carry until 2004). Some may be part of a transition from may-issue to shall-issue laws. Some may also have low reciprocity.

I'm unfamiliar with permitting requirements in all jurisdictions. Very few allow totally unrestricted concealed carry. Georgia, including that liberal bastion that is Atlanta, makes it pretty easy to obtain a concealed carry permit.

So yeah, I think it's a more complicated answer than your one-line question insinuates.

All I know is that I have a ccw in ohio and nearly every state reciprocates except for the dark blue ones and to give them credit some of the deep blue ones allow for it too.

Cali, ny, ill, Hawaii, and one or 2 smal east coast states and DC.

Why not all 50 states have reciprocity?

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[K9Buck]

Jacket, just acknowledge the truth. Most leftists are opposed to conceal-carry and many even oppose gun ownership. So, no, it's not a conspiracy theory that leftists don't want citizens to be armed, it's a fact.

[K9Buck]

Hey Jacket, if leftists truly support a citizen's right to carry a gun, why then is it nearly impossible to obtain a conceal-carry permit in leftist jurisdictions?

Excellent question, and I'm sure the answer would vary by jurisdiction. Some may be a holdover from concealed carry being a relatively new phenomenon (Ohio didn't allow concealed carry until 2004). Some may be part of a transition from may-issue to shall-issue laws. Some may also have low reciprocity.

I'm unfamiliar with permitting requirements in all jurisdictions. Very few allow totally unrestricted concealed carry. Georgia, including that liberal bastion that is Atlanta, makes it pretty easy to obtain a concealed carry permit.

So yeah, I think it's a more complicated answer than your one-line question insinuates.

All I know is that I have a ccw in ohio and nearly every state reciprocates except for the dark blue ones and to give them credit some of the deep blue ones allow for it too.

Cali, ny, ill, Hawaii, and one or 2 smal east coast states and DC.

Why not all 50 states have reciprocity?

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Like most leftists, truth is contrary to Jacket.  


John 8:44 - 8:47

44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. 46 Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? 47 Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”

[ScarletHayes]

Regarding the original topic, Iâ€m off this week and am currently in Perrysburg.  A Toledo ‘burb for those of you that donâ€t know the area.  Anyway, I saw a Biden Harris sign — Make America Kind Again.  Bingo!  The EPITOME of the white, suburban, soccer mommy vote.  Should be a real hoot when Biden sends their sons off to “nation build” again.

[Jacketbuckeye]

Hey Jacket, if leftists truly support a citizen's right to carry a gun, why then is it nearly impossible to obtain a conceal-carry permit in leftist jurisdictions?

Excellent question, and I'm sure the answer would vary by jurisdiction. Some may be a holdover from concealed carry being a relatively new phenomenon (Ohio didn't allow concealed carry until 2004). Some may be part of a transition from may-issue to shall-issue laws. Some may also have low reciprocity.

I'm unfamiliar with permitting requirements in all jurisdictions. Very few allow totally unrestricted concealed carry. Georgia, including that liberal bastion that is Atlanta, makes it pretty easy to obtain a concealed carry permit.

So yeah, I think it's a more complicated answer than your one-line question insinuates.

All I know is that I have a ccw in ohio and nearly every state reciprocates except for the dark blue ones and to give them credit some of the deep blue ones allow for it too.

Cali, ny, ill, Hawaii, and one or 2 smal east coast states and DC.

Why not all 50 states have reciprocity?

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I think you could write a long dissertation on reciprocity.

Georgia doesn't recognize permits from 17 states. Why that is I'm not sure. Nebraska, Nevada, and New Mexico are the real head-scratchers there.

Do you have additional details on why that might be?

[davebucknut]

Hey Jacket, if leftists truly support a citizen's right to carry a gun, why then is it nearly impossible to obtain a conceal-carry permit in leftist jurisdictions?

Excellent question, and I'm sure the answer would vary by jurisdiction. Some may be a holdover from concealed carry being a relatively new phenomenon (Ohio didn't allow concealed carry until 2004). Some may be part of a transition from may-issue to shall-issue laws. Some may also have low reciprocity.

I'm unfamiliar with permitting requirements in all jurisdictions. Very few allow totally unrestricted concealed carry. Georgia, including that liberal bastion that is Atlanta, makes it pretty easy to obtain a concealed carry permit.

So yeah, I think it's a more complicated answer than your one-line question insinuates.

All I know is that I have a ccw in ohio and nearly every state reciprocates except for the dark blue ones and to give them credit some of the deep blue ones allow for it too.

Cali, ny, ill, Hawaii, and one or 2 smal east coast states and DC.

Why not all 50 states have reciprocity?

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I think you could write a long dissertation on reciprocity.

Georgia doesn't recognize permits from 17 states. Why that is I'm not sure. Nebraska, Nevada, and New Mexico are the real head-scratchers there.

Do you have additional details on why that might be?

It depends in if it is a standard your ground state or if you're not a stand your ground state.

For example in ohio we are a duty to flee state, so meaning that if we can safely get away from trouble without using our firearm then we are obligated to leave and keep the peace. Where as in Florida it is a stand your ground state.

So essentially states that are duty to flee tend to have greater ccw reciprocity then stand your ground states. So my ohio ccw permit thankfully has great use throughout the country, but not in places that truly you need them more than anywhere else.

Chicago, LA, NY, DC, Baltimore and many others do not allow firearms period for a multitude of infringing reasons, so explain that one to me?

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[P1tchblack]

Jacket, just acknowledge the truth.  Most leftists are opposed to conceal-carry and many even oppose gun ownership.  So, no, it's not a conspiracy theory that leftists don't want citizens to be armed, it's a fact.

It's a little old (2017)...

[K9Buck]

What much of the left wants is to eliminate traditional law enforcement and replace it with personnel that work for and are loyal to the party. They've already achieved that to an extent. That's how they prosecute guys like Kyle Rittenhouse but permit loyalist law-breakers to skate. They prosecute people protecting their homes from a violent mob but won't prosecute members of the violent mob. As the Nazis usurped traditional police with party loyalists, the Democrats want to do the same here in America and, as I said, have already done so in many jurisdictions.

[P1tchblack]

Here's a similar one from 2018

[K9Buck]

All I know, Pitch, is that most leftist jurisdictions BAN conceal-carry, unless they are prohibited from banning by the state. Leftists tell us that the left doesn't want to prevent us from having guns while simultaneously working to prevent us from having guns. In other words, they lie to our faces. Lying is what the left does best. Leftists are liars. If they weren't liars, they wouldn't be leftists.

[Hightop77]

So I guess Pitchblack believes government can't pass laws to keep people from buying or taking drugs because that would violate their constitutional rights somehow but that government has the power to arbitrarily limit Second Amendment rights.  

[P1tchblack]

All I know, Pitch, is that most leftist jurisdictions BAN conceal-carry, unless they are prohibited from banning by the state.  Leftists tell us that the left doesn't want to prevent us from having guns while simultaneously working to prevent us from having guns.  In other words, they lie to our faces.  Lying is what the left does best.  Leftists are liars.  If they weren't liars, they wouldn't be leftists.

About the only area where R & D significantly differ on ownership is so-called assault rifles.  Conceal carry and background checks don't impact the right to own in any way.

[K9Buck]

All I know, Pitch, is that most leftist jurisdictions BAN conceal-carry, unless they are prohibited from banning by the state.  Leftists tell us that the left doesn't want to prevent us from having guns while simultaneously working to prevent us from having guns.  In other words, they lie to our faces.  Lying is what the left does best.  Leftists are liars.  If they weren't liars, they wouldn't be leftists.

About the only area where R & D significantly differ on ownership...

That's not true.  You're citing polls.  I'm citing the REALITY that most leftists jurisdictions BAN conceal-carry and some even ban people from being able to have a gun in their car.  Don't show me polls; show me leftist jurisdictions that support conceal-carry for all law-abiding citizens.

[K9Buck]

Getting back to the topic, if Trump's lawyers have something, it's damn time to put up!