What do liberals bring to society?

[K9Buck]

...and for turning liberalism into Leftism.  

That ship has already sailed.  The Democratic Party is filled with both fascists and communists.  If the left ever achieves total power, the next power struggle will be between communists that support government ownership of everything and the fascists that support private ownership of industry but government direction of their activities.

They aren't fascists.  These are Leftists, Bolsheviks, antifa.  Hitler and the German people were fighting them in the 1930's.  Now they want our country.

[color=rgba(20, 20, 20, 0.65)]Fascism is a specific ideology based on the idea that the state is the ideal organization for realizing a society's and an individual's potential economically, socially, and even spiritually.[/color]

[color=rgba(20, 20, 20, 0.65)]The state, for the fascist, is the instrument by which the people's common destiny is realized, and in which the potential for greatness is to be found. Individual rights, and the individual himself, are strictly subordinate to the state's great and glorious goals for the nation. [/color]

[zigbee]

...and for turning liberalism into Leftism.  

That ship has already sailed.  The Democratic Party is filled with both fascists and communists.  If the left ever achieves total power, the next power struggle will be between communists that support government ownership of everything and the fascists that support private ownership of industry but government direction of their activities.

They aren't fascists.  These are Leftists, Bolsheviks, antifa.  Hitler and the German people were fighting them in the 1930's.  Now they want our country.

We need a man like Hitler today to save our country.

You've had worse ideas. I wish our country still had a hatred of communism.

Well, all I can say is that is your opinion and you've got the right here to express it.    AND, if you think those 10 of millions who voted Trump aren't Americans then you are just being dishonest.   Your desire for a dystopian ruin and rebirth of a homogenous Aryan nation with a Hitler type of leader is pretty absurd.   Message boards expose ideologies.   Desire for a Hitler to lead the US?   WOW.

[Hightop77]

...and for turning liberalism into Leftism.  

That ship has already sailed.  The Democratic Party is filled with both fascists and communists.  If the left ever achieves total power, the next power struggle will be between communists that support government ownership of everything and the fascists that support private ownership of industry but government direction of their activities.

They aren't fascists.  These are Leftists, Bolsheviks, antifa.  Hitler and the German people were fighting them in the 1930's.  Now they want our country.

[color=rgba(20, 20, 20, 0.65)]Fascism is a specific ideology based on the idea that the state is the ideal organization for realizing a society's and an individual's potential economically, socially, and even spiritually.[/color]

[color=rgba(20, 20, 20, 0.65)]The state, for the fascist, is the instrument by which the people's common destiny is realized, and in which the potential for greatness is to be found. Individual rights, and the individual himself, are strictly subordinate to the state's great and glorious goals for the nation. [/color]

That isn't what the Left believes.  The Left wants to enslave us where no one reaches their potential and your purpose is to obey and keep your mouth shut.

[Hightop77]

That ship has already sailed.  The Democratic Party is filled with both fascists and communists.  If the left ever achieves total power, the next power struggle will be between communists that support government ownership of everything and the fascists that support private ownership of industry but government direction of their activities.

They aren't fascists.  These are Leftists, Bolsheviks, antifa.  Hitler and the German people were fighting them in the 1930's.  Now they want our country.

We need a man like Hitler today to save our country.

You've had worse ideas. I wish our country still had a hatred of communism.

Well, all I can say is that is your opinion and you've got the right here to express it.    AND, if you think those 10 of millions who voted Trump aren't Americans then you are just being dishonest.   Your desire for a dystopian ruin and rebirth of a homogenous Aryan nation with a Hitler type of leader is pretty absurd.   Message boards expose ideologies.   Desire for a Hitler to lead the US?   WOW.

[zigbee]

They aren't fascists.  These are Leftists, Bolsheviks, antifa.  Hitler and the German people were fighting them in the 1930's.  Now they want our country.

We need a man like Hitler today to save our country.

You've had worse ideas. I wish our country still had a hatred of communism.

Well, all I can say is that is your opinion and you've got the right here to express it.    AND, if you think those 10 of millions who voted Trump aren't Americans then you are just being dishonest.   Your desire for a dystopian ruin and rebirth of a homogenous Aryan nation with a Hitler type of leader is pretty absurd.   Message boards expose ideologies.   Desire for a Hitler to lead the US?   WOW.

Yes, it's all here.   People can read.

[K9Buck]

HT, this is what the left believes.  I do agree with you that much of the left is communist but most are fascist. 
The material below comes from Benito Mussolini's "Doctrine of Fascism".  

REJECTION OF INDIVIDUALISM AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE STATE

Fascism is therefore opposed to all individualistic abstractions based on eighteenth century materialism; and it is opposed to all Jacobinistic utopias and innovations. It does not believe in the possibility of "happiness" on earth as conceived by the economistic literature of the XVIIIth century, and it therefore rejects the theological notion that at some future time the human family will secure a final settlement of all its difficulties. This notion runs counter to experience which teaches that life is in continual flux and in process of evolution. In politics Fascism aims at realism; in practice it desires to deal only with those problems which are the spontaneous product of historic conditions and which find or suggest their own solutions (9). Only by entering in to the process of reality and taking possession of the forces at work within it, can man act on man and on nature (10).

Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal, will of man as a historic entity (11). It is opposed to classical liberalism which arose as a reaction to absolutism and exhausted its historical function when the State became the expression of the conscience and will of the people. Liberalism denied the State in the name of the individual; Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual (12). And if liberty is to he the attribute of living men and not of abstract dummies invented by individualistic liberalism, then Fascism stands for liberty, and for the only liberty worth having, the liberty of the State and of the individual within the State (13). The Fascist conception of the State is all embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism, is totalitarian, and the Fascist  State  - a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values - interprets, develops, and potentates the whole life of a people (14).

[Hightop77]

HT, this is what the left believes.  I do agree with you that much of the left is communist but most are fascist. 
The material below comes from Benito Mussolini's "Doctrine of Fascism".  

REJECTION OF INDIVIDUALISM AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE STATE

Fascism is therefore opposed to all individualistic abstractions based on eighteenth century materialism; and it is opposed to all Jacobinistic utopias and innovations. It does not believe in the possibility of "happiness" on earth as conceived by the economistic literature of the XVIIIth century, and it therefore rejects the theological notion that at some future time the human family will secure a final settlement of all its difficulties. This notion runs counter to experience which teaches that life is in continual flux and in process of evolution. In politics Fascism aims at realism; in practice it desires to deal only with those problems which are the spontaneous product of historic conditions and which find or suggest their own solutions (9). Only by entering in to the process of reality and taking possession of the forces at work within it, can man act on man and on nature (10).

Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal, will of man as a historic entity (11). It is opposed to classical liberalism which arose as a reaction to absolutism and exhausted its historical function when the State became the expression of the conscience and will of the people. Liberalism denied the State in the name of the individual; Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual (12). And if liberty is to he the attribute of living men and not of abstract dummies invented by individualistic liberalism, then Fascism stands for liberty, and for the only liberty worth having, the liberty of the State and of the individual within the State (13). The Fascist conception of the State is all embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism, is totalitarian, and the Fascist  State  - a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values - interprets, develops, and potentates the whole life of a people (14).

We just don't agree on the terms and how you are applying them today.  Fascists are nationalists and love country.  The Left in America hates our country and can't wait to remake it in their image.  They want an Orwellian country where everyone must agree with them and all actions and all speech must conform to their specifications.  They want to control your thoughts and squash all dissent.  They change the meaning of words to fit their purposes.  They are united not by patriotism or by love of country.  They are united by hate, specifically hatred toward anyone who disagrees with them.

[K9Buck]

Yes, I understand the concept of fascist nationalism.

Ho Chi Ming and Fidel Castrol were also hardcore nationalists, but they were also communists.

Abraham Lincoln was clearly a committed nationalist. After all, he sent over 600,000 young American men to their deaths in order to preserve the union. He certainly wasn't a fascist nor a communist.

I believe that the first tenet of both fascism and communism is the REJECTION of free-market capitalism. The fundamental difference between fascism and communism is that fascists believe in private ownership of industry, albeit not private control of industry. Communists believe in state ownership of everything.

China is the modern example of a state that abandoned communism in favor of fascism.

Much of antifa is communist, but their leftist masters are not; they are fascists.

Fascism, like communism, supports state-control of the economy, healthcare, education, media, and every other facet of society. There is no concept of "limited government" in fascism or in communism.

Fascism and communism are ideological branches from the same leftist tree.

[P1tchblack]

Remember when Trump won the election in 2016 but still claimed voter fraud because he didn't win the popular vote.

That was awesome.

[3rdgensooner]

IMO the main difference is current leftists are globalists not nationalists. But otherwise they are closer to fascists than any other ideology in practice.

[K9Buck]

IMO the main difference is current leftists are globalists not nationalists. But otherwise they are closer to fascists than any other ideology in practice.

The modern American left is NOT nationalist nor is it communist with regard to the desire of the state to own all industry.

[K9Buck]

Remember when Trump won the election in 2016 but still claimed voter fraud because he didn't win the popular vote.

That was awesome.

Remember when Obama's IRS was preventing conservatives from participating in the 2012 election?

[davebucknut]

Remember when Trump won the election in 2016 but still claimed voter fraud because he didn't win the popular vote.

That was awesome.

Remember when Obama's IRS was preventing conservatives from participating in the 2012 election?

Not only thT but he weaponized them against registered Republicans as well, because I got audited 3 times under his reign of terror and all 3 times was minor inquires that ultimately resulted in them paying me more money after auditing all of my provable business write offs.


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[K9Buck]

Wow.

[Siesta99]

Remember when Trump won the election in 2016 but still claimed voter fraud because he didn't win the popular vote.

That was awesome.

Remember when Obama's IRS was preventing conservatives from participating in the 2012 election?

Not only thT but he weaponized them against registered Republicans as well, because I got audited 3 times under his reign of terror and all 3 times was minor inquires that ultimately resulted in them paying me more money after auditing all of my provable business write offs.


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Sure Dave.lol you're a nobody. Georgia just went blue the party over and Trump needs to turn off the lights.Haha