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Oregon decriminalized meth, heroin, and cocaine
(11-05-2020, 03:59 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 03:54 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 03:24 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: We've again gotten to the crux of the issue:

"But they still get into it for a reason and, unfortunately, it's not generally to protect and server and be a positive member of the community they patrol."

We all know you have had bad experiences with cops.  That doesn't make every cop out there an authoritarian crook who is just looking to screw over the general public.  Not anywhere close.

The thin blue line refers to 'us v them' alright.  Except it's us(normal, law abiding citizens) and them(those that wish to create mayhem, crime and disaster)

This has nothing to do with my experience.  The thin blue line is quick to try very hard to make criminals out of good people.  Again, watch the video. Your question was why cops would knowingly put themselves in danger.  It's because they are often the 3g/HT authoritarian type of person, not the "community" type of person.  They're the ones who will gladly jump at the at the opportunity to yank a kid from his car for no reason other than the chance to arrest one more person that day.
you continually try to attribute the behaviors of a couple dozen examples that you've provided to several hundred thousand police officers.
If you don't see what's problematic with that attribution, I can't help you.

Your assertion was that cops would change their approach to traffic stops if it proved to be safer for police and I disagree.  Police don't exist to not "police".  The largest majority of traffic stops escalate because people know they have something that the cop is going to find.  Past due tickets, warrant, drugs, etc.  That's the beginning of how traffic stops escalate to high speed chases, shooting, physical altercations, etc.  In fact, I would say the unnecessary escalation is what lead to Jacob Blake's shooting.  Had the cops just addressed the current situation, and not turned it into a metaphorical "cavity" search, there's probably no shooting.
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(11-05-2020, 05:22 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 03:59 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 03:54 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 03:24 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: We've again gotten to the crux of the issue:

"But they still get into it for a reason and, unfortunately, it's not generally to protect and server and be a positive member of the community they patrol."

We all know you have had bad experiences with cops.  That doesn't make every cop out there an authoritarian crook who is just looking to screw over the general public.  Not anywhere close.

The thin blue line refers to 'us v them' alright.  Except it's us(normal, law abiding citizens) and them(those that wish to create mayhem, crime and disaster)

This has nothing to do with my experience.  The thin blue line is quick to try very hard to make criminals out of good people.  Again, watch the video. Your question was why cops would knowingly put themselves in danger.  It's because they are often the 3g/HT authoritarian type of person, not the "community" type of person.  They're the ones who will gladly jump at the at the opportunity to yank a kid from his car for no reason other than the chance to arrest one more person that day.
you continually try to attribute the behaviors of a couple dozen examples that you've provided to several hundred thousand police officers.
If you don't see what's problematic with that attribution, I can't help you.

Your assertion was that cops would change their approach to traffic stops if it proved to be safer for police and I disagree.  Police don't exist to not "police".  The largest majority of traffic stops escalate because people know they have something that the cop is going to find.  Past due tickets, warrant, drugs, etc.  That's the beginning of how traffic stops escalate to high speed chases, shooting, physical altercations, etc.  In fact, I would say the unnecessary escalation is what lead to Jacob Blake's shooting.  Had the cops just addressed the current situation, and not turned it into a metaphorical "cavity" search, there's probably no shooting.

Same old boring Pitch narrative.  When people behave badly and break the law, it's somehow the cop's fault.   Rolleyes
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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(11-05-2020, 02:12 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 02:07 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 02:04 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 02:01 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 02:00 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: The fact remains.... if cops treated traffic stops like traffic stops, their jobs would be safer.  If you disagree, please tell me how I'm wrong.

That is exactly what they do and some traffic stops require more scrutiny and investigative measures.

And the fear of "more scrutiny and investigative measures" is what puts cops in danger.  So, am I right or wrong?

So we came straight back to your idea that cops doing their jobs puts them in danger.
 
The way cops choose handle traffic stops puts their lives in danger.

Do you disagree  HT?
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(11-05-2020, 07:18 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 02:12 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 02:07 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 02:04 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 02:01 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: That is exactly what they do and some traffic stops require more scrutiny and investigative measures.

And the fear of "more scrutiny and investigative measures" is what puts cops in danger.  So, am I right or wrong?

So we came straight back to your idea that cops doing their jobs puts them in danger.
 
The way cops choose handle traffic stops puts their lives in danger.

Do you disagree  HT?

Nearly everything about being a police officer is potentially dangerous especially if they are doing their job.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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(11-05-2020, 07:21 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 07:18 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 02:12 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 02:07 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 02:04 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: And the fear of "more scrutiny and investigative measures" is what puts cops in danger.  So, am I right or wrong?

So we came straight back to your idea that cops doing their jobs puts them in danger.
 
The way cops choose handle traffic stops puts their lives in danger.

Do you disagree  HT?

Nearly everything about being a police officer is potentially dangerous especially if they are doing their job.

That's not what I asked.
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(11-05-2020, 07:27 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 07:21 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 07:18 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 02:12 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 02:07 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: So we came straight back to your idea that cops doing their jobs puts them in danger.
 
The way cops choose handle traffic stops puts their lives in danger.

Do you disagree  HT?

Nearly everything about being a police officer is potentially dangerous especially if they are doing their job.

That's not what I asked.

The answer to your question is clearly there.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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(11-05-2020, 07:32 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 07:27 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 07:21 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 07:18 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 02:12 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:  
The way cops choose handle traffic stops puts their lives in danger.

Do you disagree  HT?

Nearly everything about being a police officer is potentially dangerous especially if they are doing their job.

That's not what I asked.

The answer to your question is clearly there.

If the question I asked was whether or not being a cop has an inherent level of danger, yes, the answer is there. I think we all know that every job has some level of danger. I'm asking if the way that cops choose to handle traffic stops increases the danger to them.
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(11-05-2020, 08:09 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 07:32 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 07:27 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 07:21 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(11-05-2020, 07:18 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: Do you disagree  HT?

Nearly everything about being a police officer is potentially dangerous especially if they are doing their job.

That's not what I asked.

The answer to your question is clearly there.

If the question I asked was whether or not being a cop has an inherent level of danger, yes, the answer is there. I think we all know that every job has some level of danger. I'm asking if the way that cops choose to handle traffic stops increases the danger to them.
And I said cops are in danger by doing their job.  Handling traffic stops as an investigative strategy because of reasonable suspicion of criminal activity can be dangerous.  Is ignoring crime safer?  Probably.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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Oregon lawmakers pass bill to recriminalize drug possession

A bill recriminalizing the possession of small amounts of drugs was passed by the Oregon Legislature on Friday, undoing a key part of the state’s first-in-the-nation drug decriminalization law as governments struggle to respond to the deadliest overdose crisis in US history.


The state Senate approved House Bill 4002 in a 21-8 vote after the House passed it 51-7 on Thursday.

The bill now heads to the desk of Gov. Tina Kotek, who said in January that she is open to signing a bill that would roll back decriminalization, Oregon Public Broadcasting reported.

The measure makes the possession of small amounts of drugs such as heroin or methamphetamine a misdemeanor, punishable by up to six months in jail.

It enables police to confiscate the drugs and crack down on their use on sidewalks and in parks. Drug treatment is to be offered as an alternative to criminal penalties.

Decriminalization of personal-use amounts of drugs, OK’d by voters in 2020 under Ballot Measure 110, was supposed to move hundreds of millions of dollars of marijuana tax revenues into drug treatment and harm reduction programs.

That didn’t translate into an improved care network for a state with the second-highest rate of substance use disorder in the nation and ranked 50th for access to treatment, according to an audit report released in 2023.


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We see failed policies on illegals and drugs and homeless now being viewed as needed changes.  Same with defunding police.  Just ignorant
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Make something easier to obtain and consequence/guilt free and you get more of it, subsidize something and you get more of it.
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They had to, the election in Novemebr would have made them a prime example of horrendous Dem policies that would be displayed in election ads all across the country.
"Don't, I say don't bother me dog, can't ya see I'm thinkin'?"   Foghorn Leghorn
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