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It's a slow move by political parties....abortion, gays marrying, open borders, defund police..pack the court...next it will be assume retirement plans...give us your house...you didn't build that.  Dems are moving toward radical take over by the squad and Markey, etc.
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(10-29-2020, 01:34 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: (10-29-2020, 01:30 PM)davebucknut Wrote: (10-29-2020, 01:04 PM)wydileie Wrote: (10-29-2020, 12:48 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: The Left has taken control of the Democrat Party because their ideas are largely supported by most Democrats. I did not see any moderate or conservative Democrats running in the presidential primary. They were all Leftists. That is who the Democrat Party is now. The progressives have control of the party because their ideas are widely accepted within the party. Even Biden, once a moderate, has been driven into their camp.Â
Also having numerous political parties, all pursuing their own narrow interests would be a disaster for the country. Nothing could be worse than having race based, religious based, and cultural based groups all competing and vying for political power and control. The more politicization of the country, which your idea would increase, the worse the country will be.
Also, I think you understate the cultural problem in America. With competing races and cultures and now religions, the country is screwed and hopelessly splintered. The culture we had has been destroyed.  This cannot end well and especially if each of those groups are encouraged to have their own political party. Hardly any of the candidates were leftists. Biden, Harris, Bloomberg, Klombuchar, Buttigieg, and Yang are not leftists. Bernie and Warren are leftists. Gabbard is kind of half libertarian, half leftist in a weird conglomeration.
"The Left", as you put it, are not supported by most Democrats. I don't think you know who Democrats are. Biden is an old school blue dog Democrat, ala Bill Clinton. If you haven't noticed, he is their nominee, not Bernie Sanders. Both Biden and Harris talk the talk of leftists because they are trying to garner votes, that is certainly not who they are. "The Left" has very little support. They just have a loud voice, because again, the Democrats need them in a two party system. If parties splintered, those on the extremes would get a couple reps and senators in, but would largely be ignored by the most central parties. Omg man those candidates aren't leftists?
When did single other Healthcare, unfettered immigration, free college, and UBI become moderate?
Just because someone speaks softly and doesn't sound crazy, doesn't mean that they're not far left
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So that's a really poor example.
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(10-29-2020, 01:41 PM)lrrps21 Wrote: The dem party is no longer the party of JFK, that's the current republican party. The dem party is communist. Nobody here believes these folks were reeducated overnight as of Nov 2016. These people are simply not hiding it any longer either. When politicians are talking about jailing people who don't fall for the global warming burfle there is no doubt what these people are. The classic liberal is gone. Exactly- today's gop is the dnc is the 90s/early 2000s
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(10-29-2020, 01:47 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: (10-29-2020, 01:41 PM)lrrps21 Wrote: The dem party is no longer the party of JFK, that's the current republican party. The dem party is communist. Nobody here believes these folks were reeducated overnight as of Nov 2016. These people are simply not hiding it any longer either. When politicians are talking about jailing people who don't fall for the global warming burfle there is no doubt what these people are. The classic liberal is gone. Are you saying the Republican Party no longer exists? I wouldn't totally disagree as I've maintained that Donald Trump is a 1950's/60's Democrat......
The Dem Party understands at this point that their "large tent" strategy that they've used for 40 years is almost impossible to maintain without succumbing to the increasingly radical fringes. So they continue to chase the fringes. A NYC republican is essentially equal to an ohio Democrat.
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(10-29-2020, 03:16 PM)davebucknut Wrote: (10-29-2020, 01:34 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: (10-29-2020, 01:30 PM)davebucknut Wrote: (10-29-2020, 01:04 PM)wydileie Wrote: (10-29-2020, 12:48 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: The Left has taken control of the Democrat Party because their ideas are largely supported by most Democrats. I did not see any moderate or conservative Democrats running in the presidential primary. They were all Leftists. That is who the Democrat Party is now. The progressives have control of the party because their ideas are widely accepted within the party. Even Biden, once a moderate, has been driven into their camp.Â
Also having numerous political parties, all pursuing their own narrow interests would be a disaster for the country. Nothing could be worse than having race based, religious based, and cultural based groups all competing and vying for political power and control. The more politicization of the country, which your idea would increase, the worse the country will be.
Also, I think you understate the cultural problem in America. With competing races and cultures and now religions, the country is screwed and hopelessly splintered. The culture we had has been destroyed.  This cannot end well and especially if each of those groups are encouraged to have their own political party. Hardly any of the candidates were leftists. Biden, Harris, Bloomberg, Klombuchar, Buttigieg, and Yang are not leftists. Bernie and Warren are leftists. Gabbard is kind of half libertarian, half leftist in a weird conglomeration.
"The Left", as you put it, are not supported by most Democrats. I don't think you know who Democrats are. Biden is an old school blue dog Democrat, ala Bill Clinton. If you haven't noticed, he is their nominee, not Bernie Sanders. Both Biden and Harris talk the talk of leftists because they are trying to garner votes, that is certainly not who they are. "The Left" has very little support. They just have a loud voice, because again, the Democrats need them in a two party system. If parties splintered, those on the extremes would get a couple reps and senators in, but would largely be ignored by the most central parties. Omg man those candidates aren't leftists?
When did single other Healthcare, unfettered immigration, free college, and UBI become moderate?
Just because someone speaks softly and doesn't sound crazy, doesn't mean that they're not far left
Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Was Tulsi Gabbard in favor of all those things? No, but she was essentially blackmailed by the party and msm and even branded as a Russian undercover agent.
So that's a really poor example.
Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk exactly. I asked about her because another comment was made around the same time that all the Democrat candidates were leftists.
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Every justice has been nominated by a president. Â WTF?!?!?! Â Jeff Sessions part deuxÂ
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that's a short sighted opinion Tom. Was the case already in process when she took office 3 days ago? She wasn't put in place to 'help' this president or the Republicans......tweets like this indicate that Republicans don't think the judiciary is independent any more than Democrats.
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(10-29-2020, 03:46 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: that's a short sighted opinion Tom. Was the case already in process when she took office 3 days ago? She wasn't put in place to 'help' this president or the Republicans......tweets like this indicate that Republicans don't think the judiciary is independent any more than Democrats.
If case already in process I†m with you.  Ok, that is reasonable
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Why should it matter if a case in in progress or not?
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(10-29-2020, 03:46 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: that's a short sighted opinion Tom. Was the case already in process when she took office 3 days ago? She wasn't put in place to 'help' this president or the Republicans......tweets like this indicate that Republicans don't think the judiciary is independent any more than Democrats.
If she has the option to participate, she should participate.
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(10-29-2020, 03:17 PM)davebucknut Wrote: (10-29-2020, 01:41 PM)lrrps21 Wrote: The dem party is no longer the party of JFK, that's the current republican party. The dem party is communist. Nobody here believes these folks were reeducated overnight as of Nov 2016. These people are simply not hiding it any longer either. When politicians are talking about jailing people who don't fall for the global warming burfle there is no doubt what these people are. The classic liberal is gone. Exactly- today's gop is the dnc is the 90s/early 2000s
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I would say more like the DNC of 1960. The DNC of 1990-2000 was still opposing tax cuts, still supporting gun control, still supporting gutting the military, and still supporting putting Leftists on the Supreme Court.
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