Replacing Ginsburg's Supreme Court Seat

[davebucknut]

The Left has taken control of the Democrat Party because their ideas are largely supported by most Democrats.  I did not see any moderate or conservative Democrats running in the presidential primary.  They were all Leftists.  That is who the Democrat Party is now.  The progressives have control of the party because their ideas are widely accepted within the party.  Even Biden, once a moderate, has been driven into their camp. 

Also having numerous political parties, all pursuing their own narrow interests would be a disaster for the country.  Nothing could be worse than having race based, religious based, and cultural based groups all competing and vying for political power and control.  The more politicization of the country, which your idea would increase, the worse the country will be.

Also, I think you understate the cultural problem in America.  With competing races and cultures and now religions, the country is screwed and hopelessly splintered.  The culture we had has been destroyed.  This cannot end well and especially if each of those groups are encouraged to have their own political party.

Hardly any of the candidates were leftists. Biden, Harris, Bloomberg, Klombuchar, Buttigieg, and Yang are not leftists. Bernie and Warren are leftists. Gabbard is kind of half libertarian, half leftist in a weird conglomeration.

"The Left", as you put it, are not supported by most Democrats. I don't think you know who Democrats are. Biden is an old school blue dog Democrat, ala Bill Clinton. If you haven't noticed, he is their nominee, not Bernie Sanders. Both Biden and Harris talk the talk of leftists because they are trying to garner votes, that is certainly not who they are. "The Left" has very little support. They just have a loud voice, because again, the Democrats need them in a two party system. If parties splintered, those on the extremes would get a couple reps and senators in, but would largely be ignored by the most central parties.

You are completely wrong. The ideas, both put forth and supported by the people you listed, by definition makes them Leftists.  Their ideas are only marginally different than Sanders and Warren.  This is a united party and willing to support the radical ideas of Bernie Sanders and AOC.  Joe Biden is not a Bill Clinton Democrat.  He has already embraced the most radical policies of the Left.  Once he says he embraces the elimination of fossil fuel energy as soon as possible, the defunding of police, and groups like BLM, he can't just pretend he never said it.  This is not the Joe Biden of 1996.  This is a weak, dishonest, compromised Democrat that will do whatever the far Left demands.

Exactly and the normalization of these radical left ideas have made people look at the political spectrum differently- which is their long term agenda anyways with these issues - just like how they promote pedophilia and other sick stuff

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[zigbee]

Dems ultimately chose Biden due to not wanting to present radical left to the American people and hook the people in the middle.

That simply doesn't follow. Perhaps you could say that in 2016; because of the superdelegates, Hillary was virtually unbeatable to begin with, but the superdelegates don't exist in the same way, anymore. The people voted for Biden. I don't think the people care what the party wants, the vote for who they want. In any case , the Democratic Party is only about 34% of registered voters. Even if you assume half of them are "leftists," which I think is entirely too high, that's only 17% of registered voters. If they had their own party, they would pull very few of the independent votes, which would leave them with very little representation.

Sure it follows...it was between Sanders and Biden essentially just like Sanders and Clinton.  Choosing Sanders would have been far too radical.

[Alabuckeye]

You could count the progressive figures on two hands, maybe three.

Wrong.  There is no sane minority any longer in the Democrat Party.  You guys are living in the past.

Ok...thank you for weighing in definitively on the subject.

[Conanthelibrarian]

I am more and more firmly of the opinion that the farther you go with their ideology, the more unhinged you become.  Almost like a disease, it eats at your common sense and foundational logic.

This is happening to everyone left and right at this time. The left is there and as the nation polarizes it becomes universal. The left has taken over academia and the media lock stock and barrel. This is bad for them and bad for everyone else. There is no discourse so they just go further and further into unhinged territory. The right suffers as it has no place to intelligently try it's ideas and there is no discourse with competing ideas. The result is the absolute lunacy you see coming from the mouths of leftists and worsening intolerance. On the right you see worsening nuttiness as well mainly revolving around conspiracy type stuff. There is no place for a conservative intelligentsia to be formed as they are locked out of the traditional pathways and are generally silenced. 
What has happened to our campuses and news sources is the biggest danger to our nation since the Civil War IMO.

This is a great take IMO.  Never quite thought of it this way, but you laying it out in print, it makes a lot of sense.  

I think you are exactly right.  The left controls the normal/traditional pathways, and so the right has gone "underground", so to speak, resulting in Alex Jones type stuff.  

There is no common space for the ideas to butt up against each other and be tested.

[Alabuckeye]

The Left has taken control of the Democrat Party because their ideas are largely supported by most Democrats.  I did not see any moderate or conservative Democrats running in the presidential primary.  They were all Leftists.  That is who the Democrat Party is now.  The progressives have control of the party because their ideas are widely accepted within the party.  Even Biden, once a moderate, has been driven into their camp. 

Also having numerous political parties, all pursuing their own narrow interests would be a disaster for the country.  Nothing could be worse than having race based, religious based, and cultural based groups all competing and vying for political power and control.  The more politicization of the country, which your idea would increase, the worse the country will be.

Also, I think you understate the cultural problem in America.  With competing races and cultures and now religions, the country is screwed and hopelessly splintered.  The culture we had has been destroyed.  This cannot end well and especially if each of those groups are encouraged to have their own political party.

Hardly any of the candidates were leftists. Biden, Harris, Bloomberg, Klombuchar, Buttigieg, and Yang are not leftists. Bernie and Warren are leftists. Gabbard is kind of half libertarian, half leftist in a weird conglomeration.

"The Left", as you put it, are not supported by most Democrats. I don't think you know who Democrats are. Biden is an old school blue dog Democrat, ala Bill Clinton. If you haven't noticed, he is their nominee, not Bernie Sanders. Both Biden and Harris talk the talk of leftists because they are trying to garner votes, that is certainly not who they are. "The Left" has very little support. They just have a loud voice, because again, the Democrats need them in a two party system. If parties splintered, those on the extremes would get a couple reps and senators in, but would largely be ignored by the most central parties.

Omg man those candidates aren't leftists?

When did single other Healthcare, unfettered immigration, free college, and UBI become moderate?

Just because someone speaks softly and doesn't sound crazy, doesn't mean that they're not far left

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Was Tulsi Gabbard in favor of all those things?

[TcSoup]

The problem is you believe everything and all of the problems in America is related to politics and political polarization.  You are wrong.  The problems in America are cultural and spiritual.  We used to have a basic white Western Christian culture that was predominant.  Once the Bolsheviks destroyed that along with the family structure, they were able to normalize the insanity we see today.  Whether you have 2 political parties or 20, you aren't going to change that.

I never said that. I think we do have a cultural problem in the US, but it is mostly attributed to a small minority that is dictating to the rest of the country. Democrats have to listen to them because they lost the last election without them. They now cater to them to make sure they get their votes for 2020. The Democratic Party has little interest in passing massively progressive legislation (besides gun control) because the majority of the party, particularly those in power, have no interest in progressive policy. They talk the talk, and they may pass a couple things just to qualm the storm, but they don't care about the Bernie Bros.

Having multiple parties gives no one group too much power. The progressives have taken over the Democratic Party narrative which has given them an exorbitant amount of power beyond their population size. Thus, they can use that power and potential unilateral action of the Democratic Party to push through some of their agenda if Democrats gain control. If they were a separate party, they have no such ability and everyone can ignore them, or they can compromise to get some of what they want to help pass some of what someone else wants. The progressive side of the Democratic Party is, what? Maybe ten representatives and a few senators?

at least 25% have openly admitted to being Progressive

[Hightop77]

The Left has taken control of the Democrat Party because their ideas are largely supported by most Democrats.  I did not see any moderate or conservative Democrats running in the presidential primary.  They were all Leftists.  That is who the Democrat Party is now.  The progressives have control of the party because their ideas are widely accepted within the party.  Even Biden, once a moderate, has been driven into their camp. 

Also having numerous political parties, all pursuing their own narrow interests would be a disaster for the country.  Nothing could be worse than having race based, religious based, and cultural based groups all competing and vying for political power and control.  The more politicization of the country, which your idea would increase, the worse the country will be.

Also, I think you understate the cultural problem in America.  With competing races and cultures and now religions, the country is screwed and hopelessly splintered.  The culture we had has been destroyed.  This cannot end well and especially if each of those groups are encouraged to have their own political party.

Hardly any of the candidates were leftists. Biden, Harris, Bloomberg, Klombuchar, Buttigieg, and Yang are not leftists. Bernie and Warren are leftists. Gabbard is kind of half libertarian, half leftist in a weird conglomeration.

"The Left", as you put it, are not supported by most Democrats. I don't think you know who Democrats are. Biden is an old school blue dog Democrat, ala Bill Clinton. If you haven't noticed, he is their nominee, not Bernie Sanders. Both Biden and Harris talk the talk of leftists because they are trying to garner votes, that is certainly not who they are. "The Left" has very little support. They just have a loud voice, because again, the Democrats need them in a two party system. If parties splintered, those on the extremes would get a couple reps and senators in, but would largely be ignored by the most central parties.

Omg man those candidates aren't leftists?

When did single other Healthcare, unfettered immigration, free college, and UBI become moderate?

Just because someone speaks softly and doesn't sound crazy, doesn't mean that they're not far left

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Was Tulsi Gabbard in favor of all those things?

Did she really speak out against them and does she speak out against them now?  You said there were only a handful of progressives.  The reality is there are maybe only a couple of people like Gabbard and she more often votes with the progressive majority than not.

[lrrps21]

The dem party is no longer the party of JFK, that's the current republican party. The dem party is communist. Nobody here believes these folks were reeducated overnight as of Nov 2016. These people are simply not hiding it any longer either. When politicians are talking about jailing people who don't fall for the global warming burfle there is no doubt what these people are. The classic liberal is gone.

[wydileie]

You are completely wrong. The ideas, both put forth and supported by the people you listed, by definition makes them Leftists.  Their ideas are only marginally different than Sanders and Warren.  This is a united party and willing to support the radical ideas of Bernie Sanders and AOC.  Joe Biden is not a Bill Clinton Democrat.  He has already embraced the most radical policies of the Left.  Once he says he embraces the elimination of fossil fuel energy as soon as possible, the defunding of police, and groups like BLM, he can't just pretend he never said it.  This is not the Joe Biden of 1996.  This is a weak, dishonest, compromised Democrat that will do whatever the far Left demands.

So you think after 47 years in public office, Biden just suddenly became a different person? You think after all the time Harris has been a hardline prosecutor and senator, she suddenly became a different person? They present these ideas because they are trying to garner votes from the left, so they don't get burned by the Bernie Bros like they were in 2016. They are trying to win. You are making my case for me. If the parties were split, they wouldn't have to put forth these policies to get elected. The progressive candidate would get ~10% of the vote and be a forgotten footnote of election history.

[TcSoup]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjGvtKYutrsAhXLVc0KHTMqA98QFjAEegQIFRAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.npr.org%2F2018%2F10%2F29%2F659665970%2Fas-more-democrats-embrace-progressive-label-it-may-not-mean-what-it-used-to&usg=AOvVaw0OcE180hwPN-506T9vIQgJ

[Alabuckeye]

The dem party is no longer the party of JFK, that's the current republican party. The dem party is communist. Nobody here believes these folks were reeducated overnight as of Nov 2016. These people are simply not hiding it any longer either. When politicians are talking about jailing people who don't fall for the global warming burfle there is no doubt what these people are. The classic liberal is gone.

Are you saying the Republican Party no longer exists?  I wouldn't totally disagree as I've maintained that Donald Trump is a 1950's/60's Democrat......

The Dem Party understands at this point that their "large tent" strategy that they've used for 40 years is almost impossible to maintain without succumbing to the increasingly radical fringes.  So they continue to chase the fringes.

[Hightop77]

You are completely wrong. The ideas, both put forth and supported by the people you listed, by definition makes them Leftists.  Their ideas are only marginally different than Sanders and Warren.  This is a united party and willing to support the radical ideas of Bernie Sanders and AOC.  Joe Biden is not a Bill Clinton Democrat.  He has already embraced the most radical policies of the Left.  Once he says he embraces the elimination of fossil fuel energy as soon as possible, the defunding of police, and groups like BLM, he can't just pretend he never said it.  This is not the Joe Biden of 1996.  This is a weak, dishonest, compromised Democrat that will do whatever the far Left demands.

So you think after 47 years in public office, Biden just suddenly became a different person? You think after all the time Harris has been a hardline prosecutor and senator, she suddenly became a different person? They present these ideas because they are trying to garner votes from the left, so they don't get burned by the Bernie Bros like they were in 2016. They are trying to win. You are making my case for me. If the parties were split, they wouldn't have to put forth these policies to get elected. The progressive candidate would get ~10% of the vote and be a forgotten footnote of election history.

Nope.  He is the same empty suit with no principles that he was 47 years ago.  He has always taken positions that would get him elected and he has evolved into Leftism along with the rest of the Democratic Party.  He is part of the old guard that sees the writing on the wall and rather than fight against the Left, he knows he has to embrace them.  Doesn't matter whether he seriously believes in Leftist ideas like most other Democrats.  He will still support them and he does.

As for Harris, even Leftist groups rate her among the most radical far Left Senators.

[wydileie]

Omg man those candidates aren't leftists?

When did single other Healthcare, unfettered immigration, free college, and UBI become moderate?

Just because someone speaks softly and doesn't sound crazy, doesn't mean that they're not far left

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You are speaking to someone that supports UBI, so I don't think it is a leftist proposal (in fact, it was a Milton Friedman/Nixon concoction). 

Single payer healthcare is a better system then what we have now. I don't think it is the correct solution, but this weird middle ground we are in between socialistic care and free market care is the worst of both worlds. Literally no one but the Libertarian Party is promoting a real free market solution, so the Republicans are on the losing side of this issue. If they actually had a real plan instead of wanting to continue the failed system because a majority of them are corporatist goons, maybe I would feel more strongly about this, but a return to a true free market system is sadly a pipe dream. Germany is a relatively conservative country and they have UHC via private insurers that works a hell of a lot better then our system. 

I don't think Biden is for "unfettered immigration," nor are most Democrats. They are speaking out both sides of their mouth to criticize Trump. When they get in power they won't open the floodgates, because that would be catastrophic to their base.

[TcSoup]

Omg man those candidates aren't leftists?

When did single other Healthcare, unfettered immigration, free college, and UBI become moderate?

Just because someone speaks softly and doesn't sound crazy, doesn't mean that they're not far left

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You are speaking to someone that supports UBI, so I don't think it is a leftist proposal (in fact, it was a Milton Friedman/Nixon concoction). 

Single payer healthcare is a better system then what we have now. I don't think it is the correct solution, but this weird middle ground we are in between socialistic care and free market care is the worst of both worlds. Literally no one but the Libertarian Party is promoting a real free market solution, so the Republicans are on the losing side of this issue. If they actually had a real plan instead of wanting to continue the failed system because a majority of them are corporatist goons, maybe I would feel more strongly about this, but a return to a true free market system is sadly a pipe dream. Germany is a relatively conservative country and they have UHC via private insurers that works a hell of a lot better then our system. 

I don't think Biden is for "unfettered immigration," nor are most Democrats. They are speaking out both sides of their mouth to criticize Trump. When they get in power they won't open the floodgates, because that would be catastrophic to their base.

Biden has said the 1st thing he will do is tear down the 400 miles of new wall along the boarder. You think he is kidding? Its a campaign promise his feet will be held to the fire on. Bank It....

[wydileie]

Nope.  He is the same empty suit with no principles that he was 47 years ago.  He has always taken positions that would get him elected and he has evolved into Leftism along with the rest of the Democratic Party.  He is part of the old guard that sees the writing on the wall and rather than fight against the Left, he knows he has to embrace them.  Doesn't matter whether he seriously believes in Leftist ideas like most other Democrats.  He will still support them and he does.

As for Harris, even Leftist groups rate her among the most radical far Left Senators.

Which, again, he wouldn't have to cater to the left if the parties were split. You are making my point for me. I'm not sure how you don't see that. You are giving control to the left by keeping the Democratic Party intact because the Democratic Party has to cater to them for votes to win the general election. If you split the party, Biden would be the same old milque toast centrist he always has been.

As for Harris, she was a pretty prominent prosecutor and, up until this last election, ran on law and order principles. 

Biden has said the 1st thing he will do is tear down the 400 miles of new wall along the boarder. You think he is kidding? Its a campaign promise his feet will be held to the fire on. Bank It....

I don't think he is serious, no.