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(04-25-2020, 08:39 PM)zigbee Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:36 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:27 PM)zigbee Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:23 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:14 PM)zigbee Wrote: When has that not been the case?  Go back to the 1990s, which is almost 30 years now and the dems were claiming certain states without much effort but that changed with Trump 2016 victory.  In fact Trump popularity in these close states now is even greater. We can see it here with guys who would not vote Trump in 2016 but now say they would. Trump popularity is pretty strong. Ask the liberals, they say white America is behind him 100%.
Trump won in 2016 because he convinced blue collar white voters in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania who usually vote Democrat to vote GOP. No other GOP candidate wins those states. Trump did so by promising to move away from GOP globalist policies. He still won those states by less than 100k votes and that was before 4 years of commie media pounding away at him 24/7. Sure, with a fair media, Trump wins in a landslide but that isn't what we have. I just hope Trump can soon have more rallies in those states because he needs to whip up support. It's not going to be easy in 2020 and it just goes downhill from there as more states turn blue. Many states like Michigan are struggling to stay blue or return to blue. Wisconsin, Penn, etc are going to have to answer to these angry people who have been pinned down and really abused by dem governors.  Believe is or not but MILLIONS of Americans want a better way of life than a gov't paid apt, food stamps, and junky beat up car.  They are also getting fed up with high taxation.
Demographics will keep Michigan blue. Whites are decreasing there and whites are the only demographic that votes GOP. Non-white urban areas will soon take permanent control of those states as the white population decreases. That is a certainty. It just happened in Virginia.  Race is the primary factor in politics today and when non-whites vote overwhelmingly Democrat and the white percentage of the population is decreasing there is no doubt which party holds the cards. EVERYTHING is subject to change, and Trump proved that:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/covid-19-s...tical-line
Trump didn't bring in more non-white voters. He just convinced some white voters that voting for him was in their interest since the Democrat Party has become the anti-white party. The problem is we are running out of white voters to convince as whites are now only 60% or less of the population. The days of Nixon and Reagan winning landslides with an 85% white population are long gone.
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(04-25-2020, 08:40 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: Durn those brown people, Virginia is blue because of the beaurocrats that have flooded the DC suburbs and vote for the more government party Don't forget Massachusetts, Connecticut and those NE states....couldn't find a white person voting dem if you tried.
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(04-25-2020, 08:43 PM)zigbee Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:40 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: Durn those brown people, Virginia is blue because of the beaurocrats that have flooded the DC suburbs and vote for the more government party Don't forget Massachusetts, Connecticut and those NE states....couldn't find a white person voting dem if you tried.
That argument won't save all of the states that are turning blue because of non-whites.
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(04-25-2020, 08:42 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:39 PM)zigbee Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:36 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:27 PM)zigbee Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:23 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: Trump won in 2016 because he convinced blue collar white voters in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania who usually vote Democrat to vote GOP. No other GOP candidate wins those states. Trump did so by promising to move away from GOP globalist policies. He still won those states by less than 100k votes and that was before 4 years of commie media pounding away at him 24/7. Sure, with a fair media, Trump wins in a landslide but that isn't what we have. I just hope Trump can soon have more rallies in those states because he needs to whip up support. It's not going to be easy in 2020 and it just goes downhill from there as more states turn blue. Many states like Michigan are struggling to stay blue or return to blue. Wisconsin, Penn, etc are going to have to answer to these angry people who have been pinned down and really abused by dem governors.  Believe is or not but MILLIONS of Americans want a better way of life than a gov't paid apt, food stamps, and junky beat up car.  They are also getting fed up with high taxation.
Demographics will keep Michigan blue. Whites are decreasing there and whites are the only demographic that votes GOP. Non-white urban areas will soon take permanent control of those states as the white population decreases. That is a certainty. It just happened in Virginia.  Race is the primary factor in politics today and when non-whites vote overwhelmingly Democrat and the white percentage of the population is decreasing there is no doubt which party holds the cards. EVERYTHING is subject to change, and Trump proved that:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/covid-19-s...tical-line
Trump didn't bring in more non-white voters. He just convinced some white voters that voting for him was in their interest since the Democrat Party has become the anti-white party. The problem is we are running out of white voters to convince as whites are now only 60% or less of the population. The days of Nixon and Reagan winning landslides with an 85% white population are long gone. I think Trump did bring in more hispanic and black voters last election.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/trump-did-better-blacks-hispanics-romney-12-exit-polls-n681386
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/latino-support-trump-problem-democrats/606613/
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/...ump-225192
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The black vote is shifting though. If Trump gets 15% he wins re-election in a cake walk. I honestly think he was on his way to that. This damn virus has just thrown everything into question again. It's like Trump has to start over, but with less time to accomplish a victory. Fortunately for him though the opposition is a train wreck.
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(04-25-2020, 08:46 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:43 PM)zigbee Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:40 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: Durn those brown people, Virginia is blue because of the beaurocrats that have flooded the DC suburbs and vote for the more government party Don't forget Massachusetts, Connecticut and those NE states....couldn't find a white person voting dem if you tried.
That argument won't save all of the states that are turning blue because of non-whites. States, SOME, switch on occasion.  Ohio voted Obama, now it supports Trump. Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, etc do switch like Florida and others.
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(04-25-2020, 08:46 PM)zigbee Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:42 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:39 PM)zigbee Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:36 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:27 PM)zigbee Wrote: Many states like Michigan are struggling to stay blue or return to blue. Wisconsin, Penn, etc are going to have to answer to these angry people who have been pinned down and really abused by dem governors.  Believe is or not but MILLIONS of Americans want a better way of life than a gov't paid apt, food stamps, and junky beat up car.  They are also getting fed up with high taxation.
Demographics will keep Michigan blue. Whites are decreasing there and whites are the only demographic that votes GOP. Non-white urban areas will soon take permanent control of those states as the white population decreases. That is a certainty. It just happened in Virginia.  Race is the primary factor in politics today and when non-whites vote overwhelmingly Democrat and the white percentage of the population is decreasing there is no doubt which party holds the cards. EVERYTHING is subject to change, and Trump proved that:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/covid-19-s...tical-line
Trump didn't bring in more non-white voters. He just convinced some white voters that voting for him was in their interest since the Democrat Party has become the anti-white party. The problem is we are running out of white voters to convince as whites are now only 60% or less of the population. The days of Nixon and Reagan winning landslides with an 85% white population are long gone. I think Trump did bring in more hispanic and black voters last election.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/trump-did-better-blacks-hispanics-romney-12-exit-polls-n681386
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/latino-support-trump-problem-democrats/606613/
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/...ump-225192
Seriously? Trump got 8% of the blacks instead of 6% for Romney and 29% of the Hispanics compared to 27% for Romney and you think that moved the needle? Just proves my point.
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(04-25-2020, 08:55 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:46 PM)zigbee Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:42 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:39 PM)zigbee Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:36 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: Demographics will keep Michigan blue. Whites are decreasing there and whites are the only demographic that votes GOP. Non-white urban areas will soon take permanent control of those states as the white population decreases. That is a certainty. It just happened in Virginia.  Race is the primary factor in politics today and when non-whites vote overwhelmingly Democrat and the white percentage of the population is decreasing there is no doubt which party holds the cards. EVERYTHING is subject to change, and Trump proved that:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/covid-19-s...tical-line
Trump didn't bring in more non-white voters. He just convinced some white voters that voting for him was in their interest since the Democrat Party has become the anti-white party. The problem is we are running out of white voters to convince as whites are now only 60% or less of the population. The days of Nixon and Reagan winning landslides with an 85% white population are long gone. I think Trump did bring in more hispanic and black voters last election.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/trump-did-better-blacks-hispanics-romney-12-exit-polls-n681386
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/latino-support-trump-problem-democrats/606613/
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/...ump-225192
Seriously? Trump got 8% of the blacks instead of 6% for Romney and 29% of the Hispanics compared to 27% for Romney and you think that moved the needle? Just proves my point. It says the needle is moving toward conservative not the other way. Your point would BE LESS not more. I've given you the links, had the same exact discussion maybe 10 times on here in the past? You can reside in the gloom and that is fine. Trump won and should win again and hold Texas and Florida and Michigan and Pennsylvania and so forth. Republicans should hold senate and challenge to make up seats in house. Â
Also, believe it or not hispanic people do want to work and they don't want to see illegals bringing drugs and taking jobs for lower pay from them. The Trump vs Romney voting was 2 % difference and if that increases another 2 that is pretty damn big. No one dreamed after the disaster of McCain and Romney we'd see a guy like Trump emerge and win but there it is and you can dismiss all you want but he is winning and the dems are a party coming apart.
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(04-25-2020, 08:48 PM)zigbee Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:46 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:43 PM)zigbee Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:40 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: Durn those brown people, Virginia is blue because of the beaurocrats that have flooded the DC suburbs and vote for the more government party Don't forget Massachusetts, Connecticut and those NE states....couldn't find a white person voting dem if you tried.
That argument won't save all of the states that are turning blue because of non-whites. States, SOME, switch on occasion.  Ohio voted Obama, now it supports Trump. Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, etc do switch like Florida and others.
When California was predominantly white, it voted for Nixon 3 times, Jerry Ford, Reagan twice, and Bush 41 once. No GOP candidate will ever win there again since the state is now a white minority state. Same for NY which is now down to a 55% white population. Texas is about to become a white minority state.  How many US cities, almost none of which are predominantly white now, can you name with a GOP mayor?
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(04-25-2020, 09:04 PM)zigbee Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:55 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:46 PM)zigbee Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:42 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:39 PM)zigbee Wrote: EVERYTHING is subject to change, and Trump proved that:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/covid-19-s...tical-line
Trump didn't bring in more non-white voters. He just convinced some white voters that voting for him was in their interest since the Democrat Party has become the anti-white party. The problem is we are running out of white voters to convince as whites are now only 60% or less of the population. The days of Nixon and Reagan winning landslides with an 85% white population are long gone. I think Trump did bring in more hispanic and black voters last election.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/trump-did-better-blacks-hispanics-romney-12-exit-polls-n681386
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/latino-support-trump-problem-democrats/606613/
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/...ump-225192
Seriously? Trump got 8% of the blacks instead of 6% for Romney and 29% of the Hispanics compared to 27% for Romney and you think that moved the needle? Just proves my point.
Also, believe it or not hispanic people do want to work and they don't want to see illegals bringing drugs and taking jobs for lower pay from them.Â
Then why do they vote 65-70% Democrat?
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(04-25-2020, 09:08 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (04-25-2020, 09:04 PM)zigbee Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:55 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:46 PM)zigbee Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:42 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: Trump didn't bring in more non-white voters. He just convinced some white voters that voting for him was in their interest since the Democrat Party has become the anti-white party. The problem is we are running out of white voters to convince as whites are now only 60% or less of the population. The days of Nixon and Reagan winning landslides with an 85% white population are long gone. I think Trump did bring in more hispanic and black voters last election.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/trump-did-better-blacks-hispanics-romney-12-exit-polls-n681386
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/latino-support-trump-problem-democrats/606613/
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/...ump-225192
Seriously? Trump got 8% of the blacks instead of 6% for Romney and 29% of the Hispanics compared to 27% for Romney and you think that moved the needle? Just proves my point.
Also, believe it or not hispanic people do want to work and they don't want to see illegals bringing drugs and taking jobs for lower pay from them.Â
Then why do they vote 65-70% Democrat? Media, and think where many reside! Western states where they enter and are impacted by environment of California. I never said they didn't vote that %. Voting that way doesn't mean that MANY don't want to work and hate losing income , wages, etc to illegals.
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(04-25-2020, 09:06 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:48 PM)zigbee Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:46 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:43 PM)zigbee Wrote: (04-25-2020, 08:40 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: Durn those brown people, Virginia is blue because of the beaurocrats that have flooded the DC suburbs and vote for the more government party Don't forget Massachusetts, Connecticut and those NE states....couldn't find a white person voting dem if you tried.
That argument won't save all of the states that are turning blue because of non-whites. States, SOME, switch on occasion.  Ohio voted Obama, now it supports Trump. Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, etc do switch like Florida and others.
When California was predominantly white, it voted for Nixon 3 times, Jerry Ford, Reagan twice, and Bush 41 once. No GOP candidate will ever win there again since the state is now a white minority state. Same for NY which is now down to a 55% white population. Texas is about to become a white minority state.  How many US cities, almost none of which are predominantly white now, can you name with a GOP mayor? Again, we've been OVER and OVER this. I just gave you lilly white NE states and so forth that vote entirely dem. Being white doesn't mean you are the smartest voter walking down the street.
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