Libtards vandalize statue of General William Lee

[Soupcity Kid]

As far as the South. I donâ€t get the confederacy worship. They lost. They sent most every able bodied boy into a senseless battle to die. And over what?

The North won.  I grew up in Ohio.  We donâ€t workshop Sherman and a Grant and build 80,000 statues of them

Who doesnâ€t like a beautifull statue of a soldier , cowboy or indian on horseback.  But if you had the choice of see a unique rock formation unadulterated or seeing some carving of southern worship , Iâ€d Tater just see the rock as itâ€s been for 4 billion years.

Many of those memorials, and they are works of art, are in honor of the dead, including dead relatives of people still alive, who fought valiantly in a war against a larger and better funded and organized foe.  Why do activists feel the need to destroy those places?  Who does it benefit?  Are blacks in Memphis, East St. Louis, Jackson or Baltimore suddenly going to stop killing each other and join civilization because we destroy Confederate monuments?  There is a black activist professor leading the way here to get monuments removed and as they do not one thing will change in the high crime drug invested black community.  What this is really about is destroying white Southern heritage.

I do not want to deny the US of our history good and bad.  I would like these monuments in a museum.  I am not a fan of the statues of people who divided this county and tried to secede from our UNION which caused the deaths of far too many people.  In short monuments of traitors o the United States.

I do agree with you the removal of the statues will not improve the life or self esteem of any alleged aggrieved person.  The argument to make this move is just something else for fake outrage.

By your statements alone I would imagine you would have no problem with a statue of Hitler in the middle of the WW2 museum because Hitler as a leader effectively conquered more land as an invading army than any other person?  I would assume you would not mind a statue of the Japanese Pilot who dropped the fatal torpedo which sunk the Arizona?

Good Gawd, I hate it when someone compares the Confederacy to Hitler.  I heard a sermon from some liberal pastor who did that and I had to take the time to rip his sorry liberal ass afterward.

The argument is not that of Hitler rather a foreign fighter who took arms against this UNION.   Same as the pilot who dropped the fatal blow to the Arizona.  Would you like a statue built and held in mid Philadelphia of the black female that shot and killed the police officer and fled to Cuba?  

And before you go off I do understand the lore of some things or people have a certain charm and certainly there is a noted difference between Jefferson Davis and Hitler.  For some reason all the rhetoric about Al Capone would be respected in Chicago.  But note in a sense there is no difference in Robert E Lee and Herman Goering in the sense they took up arms against this Union albeit for different reasons.

[Hightop77]

As far as the South. I donâ€t get the confederacy worship. They lost. They sent most every able bodied boy into a senseless battle to die. And over what?

The North won.  I grew up in Ohio.  We donâ€t workshop Sherman and a Grant and build 80,000 statues of them

Who doesnâ€t like a beautifull statue of a soldier , cowboy or indian on horseback.  But if you had the choice of see a unique rock formation unadulterated or seeing some carving of southern worship , Iâ€d Tater just see the rock as itâ€s been for 4 billion years.

Many of those memorials, and they are works of art, are in honor of the dead, including dead relatives of people still alive, who fought valiantly in a war against a larger and better funded and organized foe.  Why do activists feel the need to destroy those places?  Who does it benefit?  Are blacks in Memphis, East St. Louis, Jackson or Baltimore suddenly going to stop killing each other and join civilization because we destroy Confederate monuments?  There is a black activist professor leading the way here to get monuments removed and as they do not one thing will change in the high crime drug invested black community.  What this is really about is destroying white Southern heritage.

I do not want to deny the US of our history good and bad.  I would like these monuments in a museum.  I am not a fan of the statues of people who divided this county and tried to secede from our UNION which caused the deaths of far too many people.  In short monuments of traitors o the United States.

I do agree with you the removal of the statues will not improve the life or self esteem of any alleged aggrieved person.  The argument to make this move is just something else for fake outrage.

By your statements alone I would imagine you would have no problem with a statue of Hitler in the middle of the WW2 museum because Hitler as a leader effectively conquered more land as an invading army than any other person?  I would assume you would not mind a statue of the Japanese Pilot who dropped the fatal torpedo which sunk the Arizona?

Good Gawd, I hate it when someone compares the Confederacy to Hitler.  I heard a sermon from some liberal pastor who did that and I had to take the time to rip his sorry liberal ass afterward.

The argument is not that of Hitler rather a foreign fighter who took arms against this UNION.   Same as the pilot who dropped the fatal blow to the Arizona.  Would you like a statue built and held in mid Philadelphia of the black female that shot and killed the police officer and fled to Cuba?  

And before you go off I do understand the lore of some things or people have a certain charm and certainly there is a noted difference between Jefferson Davis and Hitler.  For some reason all the rhetoric about Al Capone would be respected in Chicago.  But note in a sense there is no difference in Robert E Lee and Herman Goering in the sense they took up arms against this Union albeit for different reasons.

Much more complex than what you are saying.  I could compare Lincoln to Stalin and the Soviet Union and keeping his satellite states in place against their will.

[lrrps21]

If anybody needs a statue in the South it's Queen Victoria. The British supplied the South with Enfield Rifles, ammo, and food. The South had only 10% of the industrial output in the nation. No way it was sustaining a long war on its own.

[stxbuck]

[video=youtube]http://https://youtu.be/VO48Vr4KIc8[/video]    Just substitute "dickless p.o.s" for "antifa" and "car" for "monument" in this scenario....

[stxbuck]

True on Texas.  I never really considered it part of the traditional south.  Texas is, well...  Texas.  Still though, I think women taking pride in their appearance is at a greater degree than it is up here.  Generally speaking of course

East Texas is part of the traditional South. Anything west of Dallas or Houston-no, it's somewhat different.

[lrrps21]

True on Texas.  I never really considered it part of the traditional south.  Texas is, well...  Texas.  Still though, I think women taking pride in their appearance is at a greater degree than it is up here.  Generally speaking of course

East Texas is part of the traditional South. Anything west of Dallas or Houston-no, it's somewhat different.

Yup. East Texas borders Arkansas and Louisiana. 

Note: It's no coincidence there are more big foot sightings in eastern portion of Texas compared to the rest of the state.

[cincydawg]

Florida is different though the panhandle is similar to GA/AL/MS for obvious reasons. Virginia is different in parts. Atlanta doesn't feel like a Southern city very much today.

[BigDroppa]

True on Texas.  I never really considered it part of the traditional south.  Texas is, well...  Texas.  Still though, I think women taking pride in their appearance is at a greater degree than it is up here.  Generally speaking of course

East Texas is part of the traditional South. Anything west of Dallas or Houston-no, it's somewhat different.

True.  East Texas was the populated region of the state and the Western edge of the Cotton belt. There are confederate memorials and statues in places.  But Texas had such a small role in the confederacy and the war. The civil war is a small part of Texas history and and the states leaders moved away , or distanced itself from the confederate South a long time ago. Texas did not want to linger about slavery and all the negatives of the confederacy and the Lost Cause when itâ€s future was so much more robust.  The Republic of Texas was considered itâ€s own country or part of the western Frontier back in the day and Texas/Mexican heritage is more prevalent. 

Just from a personal prospective, I have quite a few friends from SE TX , Beaumont and surrounding areas and visited there.  Beaumont is 90 miles East of HTown near Lake Charles LA.  They relish Texas heritage and people proudly display the Lone Star flag. They could care less about the Ole South or Stars and Bars flags nor have any yankee hang ups. 

Vidor,TX just East if Beaumont.  Thatâ€s a white racist town that has been mired by the KKK and many fly Stars and Bars,  but they hijacked the flag.

[cincydawg]

It's a nice park, At least a third of attendees are black. Nobody there seems upset over it, though I know folks protest outside the park at times. Eh.

My "solution" would be to collect money from the folks who don't like it to put Grant/Sherman/Lincoln opposing them to the left.

[lrrps21]

True on Texas.  I never really considered it part of the traditional south.  Texas is, well...  Texas.  Still though, I think women taking pride in their appearance is at a greater degree than it is up here.  Generally speaking of course

East Texas is part of the traditional South. Anything west of Dallas or Houston-no, it's somewhat different.

True.  East Texas was the populated region of the state and the Western edge of the Cotton belt. There are confederate memorials and statues in places.  But Texas had such a small role in the confederacy and the war. The civil war is a small part of Texas history and and the states leaders moved away , or distanced itself from the confederate South a long time ago. Texas did not want to linger about slavery and all the negatives of the confederacy and the Lost Cause when itâ€s future was so much more robust.  The Republic of Texas was considered itâ€s own country or part of the western Frontier back in the day and Texas/Mexican heritage is more prevalent. 

Just from a personal prospective, I have quite a few friends from SE TX , Beaumont and surrounding areas and visited there.  Beaumont is 90 miles East of HTown near Lake Charles LA.  They relish Texas heritage and people proudly display the Lone Star flag. They could care less about the Ole South or Stars and Bars flags nor have any yankee hang ups. 

Vidor,TX just East if Beaumont.  Thatâ€s a white racist town that has been mired by the KKK and many fly Stars and Bars,  but they hijacked the flag.

I'm familiar with Texas. I was stationed there for a short time. Traveled all over - Dallas, Temple, Belton, Austin, San Marcos, San Antonio, Houston, Brownsville, etc. My brother still has a house in The Woodlands - he lets a cousin live in in exchange to keep it up.

Texas was on my short list of places to retire to. Same with GA, NC, and VA.

[lrrps21]

It's a nice park,  At least a third of attendees are black.  Nobody there seems upset over it, though I know folks protest outside the park at times.  Eh.

My "solution" would be to collect money from the folks who don't like it to put Grant/Sherman/Lincoln opposing them to the left.

It all seems so silly to me. Why not take a collection to put Larry, Curly, and Moe right in the middle?

[BigDroppa]

[BigDroppa]

Helen Plane is the first person on record to have mentioned the idea of a Confederate Memorial on Stone Mountain. A charter member of the United Daughters of the Confederacy, and president of the Atlanta Chapter, Mrs. Plane first suggested a memorial carving in 1909. Although her initial vision for the carving, a portrait of General Lee with the possible incorporation of Ku Klux Klan figures, gave way to Gutzon Borglum's plans for a grand procession, Plane remained influential throughout the 1910s. Indeed, it was she that made the decision to approach the well-known Borglum about undertaking the project.
Mrs. Plane's devotion to the memorialization of the Confederacy's heroes stemmed, at least in part, from her desire to memorialize her own husband. Her husband, Maj. Plane, served as a medic in Lee's Army of Northern Virginia.

But the overlap between the memorial and the Klan didnâ€t end with their geographical origins. At one point, Borglum considered including the KKK in his monument at the prompting of Plane, who wrote:

“The Birth of a Nation will give us a percentage of next Mondayâ€s matinee. Since seeing this wonderful and beautiful picture of Reconstruction in the South, I feel that it is due to the Ku Klux Klan which saved us from Negro domination and carpet-bag rule, that it be immortalized on Stone Mountain. Why not represent a small group of them in their nightly uniform approaching in the distance?”

Although Borglum ultimately declined to include the figures in his carving, he agreed the KKK should have some recognition in the memorial, perhaps in a room carved out of the mountain. But none of his plans were destined to be achieved. By 1924 he had only completed Leeâ€s head, having been delayed by World War I, and a disagreement between Borglum and the managing association resulted in him leaving the project in 1925. But he wasnâ€t between jobs for long; Borglum went on to work on Mount Rushmore, a project that lasted him from 1927 till 1941.


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[ScarletHayes]

Lrrps, if you're still considering Texas I would make it west Texas.  Dallas/Ft Worth is a 100+ degree humid swamp in the summer.  I would think NM would also be a good place to retire.  I would imagine you could find cheap real estate there as well.  I would think so anyway.   

[lrrps21]

Lrrps, if you're still considering Texas I would make it west Texas.  Dallas/Ft Worth is a 100+ degree humid swamp in the summer.  I would think NM would also be a good place to retire.  I would imagine you could find cheap real estate there as well.  I would think so anyway.   

I know Texas pretty well. The weather does not bother me. I have a friend who is from Las Vegas, NM. Visited him after he exited the military. Back then it would have been cool but now it's not an option.

It's not the weather, it's the government I'm escaping from.