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My son was educated in Private School for 12 years but Traditional College wasn't for him. He tried it at my dumb insistence.
Now works for a Plumbing Company who is paying half his tuition to trade school if he gets a 90% or better grade.
1st year he got the highest grade in his class for a 1st year student. I gladly paid his other half of tuition.
He has 3.5 years experience , 2.5 as a Plummer apprentice with my brother in law who wasn't preparing him to take the State test.
i know many home builders and contractors i can't tell you how many of them have offered to A) Employee him as soon as he gets his State License or B) Contract him for work.
A friend told me 2 weeks ago he would contract him starting at $65 a hour and if he's reliable and good ( Which he is both ) to keep him he would go to $70-85 a hour .
These Builders , Remodelers, can't find enough HVAC, Electricians or Plumbers.
You want to start a successful business start a Trade School that is build on Teaching towards a State License and secure networking with Businesses in those fields.
Most of them will probably reimburse half your Students tuition and Grants will probably pay the rest.
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(07-22-2019, 04:53 PM)TcSoup Wrote: My son was educated in Private School for 12 years but Traditional College wasn't for him. He tried it at my dumb insistence.
Now works for a Plumbing Company who is paying half his tuition to trade school if he gets a 90% or better grade.
1st year he got the highest grade in his class for a 1st year student. I gladly paid his other half of tuition.
He has 3.5 years experience , 2.5 as a Plummer apprentice with my brother in law who wasn't preparing him to take the State test.
i know many home builders and contractors i can't tell you how many of them have offered to A) Employee him as soon as he gets his State License or B) Contract him for work.
A friend told me 2 weeks ago he would contract him starting at $65 a hour and if he's reliable and good ( Which he is both ) to keep him he would go to $70-85 a hour .
These Builders , Remodelers, can't find enough HVAC, Electricians or Plumbers.
You want to start a successful business start a Trade School that is build on Teaching towards a State License and secure networking with Businesses in those fields.
Most of them will probably reimburse half your Students tuition and Grants will probably pay the rest. Private trade schools could not compete with public Career and technology schools.  The school I teach in is multi million dollar operation with high tech equipment. The cost would be enormous and the payroll giant with benefits.
I support the trades for a career IF you like working with your hands or are good in math AND if you can keep yourself clean and sober. There is plenty to be earned and a ton of opportunity as well.
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+1... my son had a 4.1 GPA, never wanted to go to college, and is now a firefighter/EMT earning ~$55K/yr and he's 19yrs.
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(07-22-2019, 11:29 AM)JamesWright Wrote: Sure, some non-college-educated people can be like Richard Branson or whoever, and educate themselves. The tools to do that have never been more available.
But the people who engineer votes and election successes don't rely on the outliers, they rely on the averages and probabilities. A person without a college education is much more likely to be a Trump voter than a person with a college education. That is a fact. And it can't be meaningless. There have to be cultural similarities within both groups or the different probabilities wouldn't exist.
And if more education makes people more aware of issues, and solutions, then a college education is not value neutral, or god forbid, all negative as some of you seem to be suggesting.
Yet Dems/libs are the party of the KKK, Jim Crow, AA and against CRA... it's not, cons (R's)... continue to lie wherever you are at. Next will come the lie the parties flipped.
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Who suggested a college education is "value negative"? I missed that one.
If so, I'm in serious trouble.
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Of course more liberals have college degrees.  The campus has become a reeducation camp, and the value of the degree is significantly lower than it was 20+ years ago.  Many schools have turned into diploma mills
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How many here actually needed a degree to do his job? 3G, DKeener, Cincy anybody else? I'm guessing any Engineer would, too.
DC is a symptom, not the cause. The cause is basic voter stupidity and economic ignorance.
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There are of course majors required to do certain jobs, you list some of them. They tend to be STEM majors. I suppose to be a history professor you need a PhD in history (usually). Teachers need an education degree. Usually business folks need a biz degree, or MBA. Lawyers ,,,
There are a lot of jobs that just require some college degree. My niece had a fancy BA in psychology from Emory and her first job was working for some insurance company. One of mine has a double major in English and French and is now a web designer (self taught) and doing quite well. The other has a law degree and is a director of "business analysis" whatever that is at some company in Texas.
My cousin is a State Farm agent and told me they all had college degrees, majors unimportant. So, it's a foot in the door in effect, you showed you could get up for four years and go to class, usually, and pass tests.
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To build off of TC's statement, my FIL has worked in the Foundry industry for decades. While it has had its down turns, it has a healthy life to it, but they are having a horrible time finding workers. It's hot, it's dirty, but it pays very well and it doesn't require college.
Several points. Not all kids are cut out for 4(+) years of college. Not all jobs require it. IF you aren't cut out for it, there ARE jobs out there if one is willing to work.
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Quote:So, it's a foot in the door in effect, you showed you could get up for four years and go to class, usually, and pass tests.
That's the idea. It weeds out anybody without a degree while giving hiring managers an insurance policy if the person does not pan out.
DC is a symptom, not the cause. The cause is basic voter stupidity and economic ignorance.
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(07-24-2019, 08:12 AM)lrrps21 Wrote: How many here actually needed a degree to do his job? 3G, DKeener, Cincy anybody else? I'm guessing any Engineer would, too.
I guess.
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(07-24-2019, 11:08 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: (07-24-2019, 08:12 AM)lrrps21 Wrote: How many here actually needed a degree to do his job? 3G, DKeener, Cincy anybody else? I'm guessing any Engineer would, too.
I guess.
Reminds me of the time a buddy broke his ankle/heel on a jump. Two E.R. physicians and I were talking while one was viewing an X-ray. The surgeon showed up and asked us what we found. I blurted out something about the calcaneus bone. The two E.R. physicians both said: "Nice find". The surgeon told me to get the hell out of the room.Â
By the way, the surgeon came out to inform me my buddy needed surgery. He also told me the calcaneus was fractured.
Note: I fractured my right calcaneus bone and tore my anterior talo ligament when I was 15. I remember the surgeon talking to another surgeon about it.
DC is a symptom, not the cause. The cause is basic voter stupidity and economic ignorance.
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