The Vote Dilemma for Dems in 2020 election

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There is coming a massive increase in job availability over the next few years, and less than 1/3rd of these positions will require any type of traditional college degree.Skilled trades such as plumbing, electric, and welding are experiencing shortages of qualified people, creating vacant spots in need of being filled. Healthcare—which 10 out of the 20 of the fastest-growing occupations of 2018 fall under—and technology are also experiencing the same problem: more jobs opening and no one to fill them. The number one trade, however, that is in need of experienced and qualified individuals is in the trucking industry.

Because 1 out of 3 businesses are having a hard time staffing, those coming out of trade schools will find they may have better opportunities—you will have received specialized training for a specific need, plus the necessary certifications to do the job. Your skills are measurable, and employers know you'll fit the hole. However, if more people start to choose trades, there will begin to be some competition for those available jobs.

[JamesWright]

Sure, some non-college-educated people can be like Richard Branson or whoever, and educate themselves. The tools to do that have never been more available.

But the people who engineer votes and election successes don't rely on the outliers, they rely on the averages and probabilities. A person without a college education is much more likely to be a Trump voter than a person with a college education. That is a fact. And it can't be meaningless. There have to be cultural similarities within both groups or the different probabilities wouldn't exist.

And if more education makes people more aware of issues, and solutions, then a college education is not value neutral, or god forbid, all negative as some of you seem to be suggesting.

[JamesWright]

There is coming a massive increase in job availability over the next few years, and less than 1/3rd of these positions will require any type of traditional college degree.Skilled trades such as plumbing, electric, and welding are experiencing shortages of qualified people, creating vacant spots in need of being filled. Healthcare—which 10 out of the 20 of the fastest-growing occupations of 2018 fall under—and technology are also experiencing the same problem: more jobs opening and no one to fill them. The number one trade, however, that is in need of experienced and qualified individuals is in the trucking industry.

Because 1 out of 3 businesses are having a hard time staffing, those coming out of trade schools will find they may have better opportunities—you will have received specialized training for a specific need, plus the necessary certifications to do the job. Your skills are measurable, and employers know you'll fit the hole. However, if more people start to choose trades, there will begin to be some competition for those available jobs.

All of the jobs you mentioned are ones we educate people for at my college. College doesn't always mean 4-year universities.

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A college education is valuable IF it's for an area that offers employment and today only about 1/3 of the jobs available require a degree.   Roughly 2/3rd are in the trades from electrical to welding and so forth.

Being a college graduate doesn't make one understand anything far and above your man or woman in the military or driving a truck or fixing a toilet or welding gilders for high rise construction.  It's simple to know that illegals don't belong in the US and protecting them is dangerous.  It's pretty simple to know that high taxes on income gobble up money the government wastes as opposed to consumers having more to spend which propels the economy.  It's pretty simple to know the US needs to put the interests of the nation first in trade and so forth as opposed to making deals with Iran or China which hurts the nation.  And it's pretty simple to know that it's NOT an embarrassment to be an American and to love your nation and the flag and be proud of that.

[3rdgensooner]

Sure, some non-college-educated people can be like Richard Branson or whoever, and educate themselves. The tools to do that have never been more available.

But the people who engineer votes and election successes don't rely on the outliers, they rely on the averages and probabilities. A person without a college education is much more likely to be a Trump voter than a person with a college education. That is a fact. And it can't be meaningless. There have to be cultural similarities within both groups or the different probabilities wouldn't exist.

And if more education makes people more aware of issues, and solutions, then a college education is not value neutral, or god forbid, all negative as some of you seem to be suggesting.

It depends on what you are studying. Engineering or real sciences? Business? Sure those are a valuable education. Anything like sociology or it's retardate derivatives? That is a negative not worth the student's time or money. They would be better off doing almost anything else. More education is not necessarily better education. It very much depends on the field of study.

[dunefan]

Sure, some non-college-educated people can be like Richard Branson or whoever, and educate themselves. The tools to do that have never been more available.

But the people who engineer votes and election successes don't rely on the outliers, they rely on the averages and probabilities. A person without a college education is much more likely to be a Trump voter than a person with a college education. That is a fact. And it can't be meaningless. There have to be cultural similarities within both groups or the different probabilities wouldn't exist.

And if more education makes people more aware of issues, and solutions, then a college education is not value neutral, or god forbid, all negative as some of you seem to be suggesting.

It would be interesting to see how many of your "college educated" voters would still vote for any Democrat if the press coverage and the lying Liberal Congress had given him a fair chance and given him the same coverage as Obama received.  No matter what Obama or his associates did (read HRC, Lynch, Holder ect.) they got a free pass, in fact, they were praised.  Trump has had 90% negative press his whole term.  Trump has had fake accusations thrown at him continuously and every Democrat has said that every fake accusation is true despite no proof (Mueller included).  Wednesday may be an opening to convert some of your superior "college educated" lemmings.  Some eyes may be opened and even you may see the stupidity of equating "college educated" to being smarter.  No one knows what damage the press has done to the country and there is no way to quantify it.  I do know that they have damaged themselves critically and it isn't going to take much more for them to commit suicide by continuously lying or only presenting cases in a Liberal light.  People are tired of the bullshit.  Watch on Wednesday and learn something.

[cincydawg]

So, college is unnecessary, even though some college is required for most jobs? And it's bad because it's only about indoctrination? And that's why uneducated people vote for Trump, because they haven't been indoctrinated yet? So actually, the Trumpies are the clear-thinking voters and college educated people are just following some party line?

Sure, that's reality.

Where did anyone suggest college is unnecessary?  Straw man?

In the US, about 65% of HS grads go to college, in Europe, it's about 35%.

[3rdgensooner]

So, college is unnecessary, even though some college is required for most jobs? And it's bad because it's only about indoctrination? And that's why uneducated people vote for Trump, because they haven't been indoctrinated yet? So actually, the Trumpies are the clear-thinking voters and college educated people are just following some party line?

Sure, that's reality.

Where did anyone suggest college is unnecessary?  Straw man?

In the US, about 65% of HS grads go to college, in Europe, it's about 35%.

Part of the problem is our K-12 system leaves people needing to continue their education. Unfortunately too many go to college and study nonsense taught by navel gazing pseudointellectuals.

[cincydawg]

I didn't see anyone claim college was not needed by anyone. It likely it not a good choice for many who go.

The European systems stream kids pretty early in their lives. Ours is more egalitarian. But we send folks with IQs below the median to college.

[TcSoup]

My son was educated in Private School for 12 years but Traditional College wasn't for him. He tried it at my dumb insistence.
Now works for a Plumbing Company who is paying half his tuition to trade school if he gets a 90% or better grade.
1st year he got the highest grade in his class for a 1st year student. I gladly paid his other half of tuition.
He has 3.5 years experience , 2.5 as a Plummer apprentice with my brother in law who wasn't preparing him to take the State test.
i know many home builders and contractors i can't tell you how many of them have offered to A) Employee him as soon as he gets his State License or B) Contract him for work.
A friend told me 2 weeks ago he would contract him starting at $65 a hour and if he's reliable and good ( Which he is both ) to keep him he would go to $70-85 a hour .
These Builders , Remodelers, can't find enough HVAC, Electricians or Plumbers.
You want to start a successful business start a Trade School that is build on Teaching towards a State License and secure networking with Businesses in those fields.
Most of them will probably reimburse half your Students tuition and Grants will probably pay the rest.

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My son was educated in Private School for 12 years but Traditional College wasn't for him. He tried it at my dumb insistence.
Now works for a Plumbing Company who is paying half his tuition to trade school if he gets a 90% or better grade.
1st year he got the highest grade in his class for a 1st year student. I gladly paid his other half of tuition.
He has 3.5 years experience , 2.5 as a Plummer apprentice with my brother in law who wasn't preparing him to take the State test.
i know many home builders and contractors i can't tell you how many of them have offered to A) Employee him as soon as he gets his State License or B) Contract him for work.
A friend told me 2 weeks ago he would contract him starting at $65 a hour and if he's reliable and good ( Which he is both ) to keep him he would go to $70-85 a hour .
These Builders , Remodelers, can't find enough HVAC, Electricians or Plumbers.
You want to start a successful business start a Trade School that is build on Teaching towards a State License and secure networking with Businesses in those fields.
Most of them will probably reimburse half your Students tuition and Grants will probably pay the rest.

Private trade schools could not compete with public Career and technology schools.   The school I teach in is multi million dollar operation with high tech equipment.  The cost would be enormous and the payroll giant with benefits.

I support the trades for a career IF you like working with your hands or are good in math AND if you can keep yourself clean and sober.  There is plenty to be earned and a ton of opportunity as well.

[BoyGenius]

+1... my son had a 4.1 GPA, never wanted to go to college, and is now a firefighter/EMT earning ~$55K/yr and he's 19yrs.

[maize]

Sure, some non-college-educated people can be like Richard Branson or whoever, and educate themselves. The tools to do that have never been more available.

But the people who engineer votes and election successes don't rely on the outliers, they rely on the averages and probabilities. A person without a college education is much more likely to be a Trump voter than a person with a college education. That is a fact. And it can't be meaningless. There have to be cultural similarities within both groups or the different probabilities wouldn't exist.

And if more education makes people more aware of issues, and solutions, then a college education is not value neutral, or god forbid, all negative as some of you seem to be suggesting.

Yet Dems/libs are the party of the KKK, Jim Crow, AA and against CRA... it's not, cons (R's)... continue to lie wherever you are at. Next will come the lie the parties flipped.

[cincydawg]

Who suggested a college education is "value negative"? I missed that one.

If so, I'm in serious trouble.

[ScarletHayes]

Of course more liberals have college degrees.  The campus has become a reeducation camp, and the value of the degree is significantly lower than it was 20+ years ago.  Many schools have turned into diploma mills