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What was it all for?
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Maybe we're ALL finally getting tired of fighting endless, pointless wars around the world.

Veterans doubt value of wars in Iraq, Afghanistan in new poll

Most veterans believe the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were not worth fighting, and a majority also view U.S. military efforts in Syria as too costly in dollars and casualties, according to a new poll from the Pew Research Center released Wednesday.

In a survey of nearly 1,300 veterans conducted in May and June, 64 percent of those surveyed said the war in Iraq was not worth fighting, as opposed to just 33 percent who said the security benefits outweighed the sacrifices.
For Afghanistan, 58 percent of veterans said that fight was not worthwhile, versus 38 percent who believed it was. Results from both questions closely track with the opinions of the American public at large.


More veterans also had a negative view of U.S. involvement in Syria (55 percent) than a positive view (42 percent). Pew Research officials said the rate of support for each of the conflicts did not change significantly for veterans†different eras of service, military rank or combat exposure.
More than 4,500 U.S. service members have died in Iraq since the start of combat there in 2003, and more than 2,400 have been killed in the nearly 18-year-old fighting in Afghanistan.
President Donald Trump has indicated in recent months he would like to fully withdraw U.S. military forces from the Middle East and Afghanistan, but has also pledged not to make any sudden moves against military advice that could allow insurgent groups to regain a foothold in either area.
A Military Times survey of active-duty troops conducted last fall found that about 45 percent worry that the United States will be drawn into another major military conflict soon. But more than half of that group saw Iraq and Afghanistan as little to no threat to American national security today.


https://www.militarytimes.com/news/penta...-new-poll/
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#2
We had to go to Afghanistan. Iraq, Syria, and Libya are a mystery. I fail to see any benefit for the US in those interventions.
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#3
Since the goal wasn't total annihilation of Islam off of the face of the Earth, it was all pretty pointless, imho.
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#4
I think this would be totally different IF the Bush Administration hadn't totally botched the 'peace' after the war. The shock and awe, the removal of Saddam, all that went swimmingly. Then they put the administrator in charge and it all went to pot, the media was waiting for bad news and just ran with it once it happened.
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#5
Saddam as ruthless as he was kept the whole region in check, obviously his way
Boobs are proof that men can concentrate on 2 things at the same time
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#6
What do you get when you replace a regime in an Islamic country? The answer is it surely won't be anything good so there's no point. Name a good outcome from any intervention there. Mostly we ended up with worse situations and worse blowback. Either nuke it or leave it alone. There are no good guys there.
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(07-18-2019, 11:28 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: Maybe we're ALL finally getting tired of fighting endless, pointless wars around the world.

Maybe getting war fatigue? Definitely... without question, I'd say that is it.
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(07-18-2019, 01:12 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: What do you get when you replace a regime in an Islamic country? The answer is it surely won't be anything good so there's no point. Name a good outcome from any intervention there. Mostly we ended up with worse situations and worse blowback. Either nuke it or leave it alone. There are no good guys there.

There are no good guys... just enemies of your enemies.  It's a (continuous) waste of money that we don't have to spend, in a part of the world that we don't belong with no goal, other than killing bin Laden which I was fine with.
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#9
Depriving terrorist groups of training basis is worth something. We could do that with stand off weapons.

I think we let ISIS become something we had to stop because we ignored them when they could have been handled easily. JV team etc.

Libya is still bizarre to me. Iraq was just a mistake, a bad one. Just as I am fine with Assad being in charge in Syria, I'm fine with a Hussein running Iraq.
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(07-18-2019, 12:28 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: Since the goal wasn't total annihilation of Islam off of the face of the Earth, it was all pretty pointless, imho.
This is correct.
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#11
The wars were worth a lot to the military industrial complex I am sure.
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#12
Quite a few of our wars in history have been rather dubious when we look back. I expect more in the future, possibly even worse.
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