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ComputerBuck's Biblical Prophecy Thread...
(07-15-2019, 10:43 AM)cincydawg Wrote:
(07-15-2019, 10:41 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: I would have thought that evolution would have weeded out the sickos after millions of years.

That would be natural selection of course, and it only weeds out those who don't reproduce successfully if it is an inherited trait.
Get out of the way of my argument  Big Grin.....if others can argue ignorantly, so can I....
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(07-15-2019, 10:40 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(07-15-2019, 10:36 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote: How 'bout he stops all murders, theft, lies, adulterous acts that break up families/victimize children, etc, etc, etc...  

Free will exists.  You have it; I have it.  You make choices every day.  Some are smart, some are stupid.  Some are good, some are just plain evil.

If you had the ability to stop a convicted sex offender from starting an orphanage and molesting children, would you?

We all think we're making choices (free will), but there's no scientific basis for it.  Our thoughts, conscious and unconscious, are what drive our choices.  We have no control over the thoughts that enter our consciousness nor what goes on at a neurological level.  I can be sitting on the couch, watching football, and suddenly think "did I close the garage door when I came in".  I have no control over that thought entering my consciousness any more than I can control what you're going to type next.

I would, but I'm not the creator of the universe that gave his creation free will (imagine the accusations (from the accuser) if he had created automatons of good) and am allowing things to play out until an appointed time.  


You might not have control over thoughts that pop into your head, but you do have control on whether or not you get your ass up off the couch and check on the garage door.
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More drivel from the same crowd who claims they don't care about God, they don't believe, and yet they run to create mischief and vehemently rant, riot, scream, and tantrum about something that's make-believe and fantasy.
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(07-15-2019, 10:55 AM)BoyGenius Wrote: More drivel from the same crowd who claims they don't care about God, they don't believe, and yet they run to create mischief and vehemently rant, riot, scream, and tantrum about something that's make-believe and fantasy.
Yep.....
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(07-15-2019, 10:50 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote:
(07-15-2019, 10:40 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(07-15-2019, 10:36 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote: How 'bout he stops all murders, theft, lies, adulterous acts that break up families/victimize children, etc, etc, etc...  

Free will exists.  You have it; I have it.  You make choices every day.  Some are smart, some are stupid.  Some are good, some are just plain evil.

If you had the ability to stop a convicted sex offender from starting an orphanage and molesting children, would you?

We all think we're making choices (free will), but there's no scientific basis for it.  Our thoughts, conscious and unconscious, are what drive our choices.  We have no control over the thoughts that enter our consciousness nor what goes on at a neurological level.  I can be sitting on the couch, watching football, and suddenly think "did I close the garage door when I came in".  I have no control over that thought entering my consciousness any more than I can control what you're going to type next.

I would, but I'm not the creator of the universe that gave his creation free will (imagine the accusations (from the accuser) if he had created automatons of good) and am allowing things to play out until an appointed time.  

God can intervene, if he cared to, whether we have free will or not.  


You might not have control over thoughts that pop into your head, but you do have control on whether or not you get your ass up off the couch and check on the garage door.

this topic needs its own thread.
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(07-15-2019, 11:01 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: God can intervene, if he cared to, whether we have free will or not. 

God doesn't intervene?
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(07-15-2019, 10:47 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote:
(07-15-2019, 10:24 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote: So you want God to intervene and stop every bad act before it happens?  Then come the inevitable complaints regarding free will, etc...  

You do the crime; you do the time.  People that violated trust and took advantage of children (and never repented) will likely pay a more severe penalty after they leave this world than they ever could have dreamed of in the here and now.
Why not? Who gives a rat's ass whether child molesters have free will? I don't think the child molester going to some mythical hell place is going to make those kid's butts hurt less or assuage the psychological trauma they'll have to live with. Let's face it this whole god concept is absurd. If such a thing existed and actually paid attention to what happened in this world it is the most disgustingly amoral creature imaginable. What kind of complete low life ahole would set up a system where babies suffer because two people had sex when they weren't supposed to? This makes sense to you? Seems reasonable? Some old jews made up a whole big rationale for why the world is the way it is and long since past time we ignored the superstitious clap trap they were selling.

You're projecting onto God how you or I would act.  Perhaps he's asking us, "what the heck kind of people would sit around for 50+ years and ignore all these claims made by children?"  Perhaps he's giving us the opportunity to right a wrong?  Again, if he steps in and stops stuff every time something bad were about to happen nothing bad would ever happen and cries of free will would be predictably coming from his naysayers.  

This whole thing is bigger than you and me.  Plans beyond our ways of thinking.  I mean if I used your reasoning I would wonder what kind of a being would allow his ONLY son to be slaughtered and butchered for a bunch of vile, wicked, ungrateful clowns.  What type of person would do that?  A loving God that wants to spare his earthly children of what they deserve would be my guess.  A penalty had to be paid for this sin thing.  If you don't acknowledge the penalty that was paid, then you will pay your own debt.  Me personally?  I'll pass on paying my own sin debt.  It doesn't sound all that pleasant to me.
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(07-15-2019, 11:09 AM)BoyGenius Wrote:
(07-15-2019, 11:01 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: God can intervene, if he cared to, whether we have free will or not. 

God doesn't intervene?

Do things happen that believers attribute to God? Yes. Sometimes bad situations work out for the positive and sometimes they don't. Looking around the world/US, it's pretty clear that the Christian God is pretty content to NOT intervene and allow a LOT of horrible things to happen.
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(07-15-2019, 11:01 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: God can intervene, if he cared to, whether we have free will or not.  


He *can* intervene.  My preacher has a great line that sums up God on this front.  It's simple and I love it.  He says "God is a gentleman."  He's not forcing himself on us.  i.e.  He's given us free will and will allow us to live with the outcome of our decisions.  If asked he may intervene on our behalf.  Factors such as our sincerity likely factor into his decision as well.
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(07-15-2019, 11:22 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(07-15-2019, 11:09 AM)BoyGenius Wrote:
(07-15-2019, 11:01 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: God can intervene, if he cared to, whether we have free will or not. 

God doesn't intervene?

Do things happen that believers attribute to God? Yes. Sometimes bad situations work out for the positive and sometimes they don't. Looking around the world/US, it's pretty clear that the Christian God is pretty content to NOT intervene and allow a LOT of horrible things to happen.

Is that "yes" or "no"?
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(07-15-2019, 11:23 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote:
(07-15-2019, 11:01 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: God can intervene, if he cared to, whether we have free will or not.  


He *can* intervene.  My preacher has a great line that sums up God on this front.  It's simple and I love it.  He says "God is a gentleman."  He's not forcing himself on us.  i.e.  He's given us free will and will allow us to live with the outcome of our decisions.  If asked he may intervene on our behalf.  Factors such as our sincerity likely factor into his decision as well.

I don't think a true gentleman (or man) would stand around and watch a priest molest innocent children.  Either God knowingly sends priests, for example, to molest children or he simply watches and says "I'm going to punish you when you're done".
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(07-15-2019, 11:17 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote:
(07-15-2019, 10:47 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote:
(07-15-2019, 10:24 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote: So you want God to intervene and stop every bad act before it happens?  Then come the inevitable complaints regarding free will, etc...  

You do the crime; you do the time.  People that violated trust and took advantage of children (and never repented) will likely pay a more severe penalty after they leave this world than they ever could have dreamed of in the here and now.
Why not? Who gives a rat's ass whether child molesters have free will? I don't think the child molester going to some mythical hell place is going to make those kid's butts hurt less or assuage the psychological trauma they'll have to live with. Let's face it this whole god concept is absurd. If such a thing existed and actually paid attention to what happened in this world it is the most disgustingly amoral creature imaginable. What kind of complete low life ahole would set up a system where babies suffer because two people had sex when they weren't supposed to? This makes sense to you? Seems reasonable? Some old jews made up a whole big rationale for why the world is the way it is and long since past time we ignored the superstitious clap trap they were selling.

You're projecting onto God how you or I would act.  Perhaps he's asking us, "what the heck kind of people would sit around for 50+ years and ignore all these claims made by children?"  Perhaps he's giving us the opportunity to right a wrong?  Again, if he steps in and stops stuff every time something bad were about to happen nothing bad would ever happen and cries of free will would be predictably coming from his naysayers.  

This whole thing is bigger than you and me.  Plans beyond our ways of thinking.  I mean if I used your reasoning I would wonder what kind of a being would allow his ONLY son to be slaughtered and butchered for a bunch of vile, wicked, ungrateful clowns.  What type of person would do that?  A loving God that wants to spare his earthly children of what they deserve would be my guess.  A penalty had to be paid for this sin thing.  If you don't acknowledge the penalty that was paid, then you will pay your own debt.  Me personally?  I'll pass on paying my own sin debt.  It doesn't sound all that pleasant to me.

There is no god so I'm not projecting. But as a figment of the human imagination it doesn't make much sense that it would b such an unbelievably complete ahole unless you just have to make excuses for what you made up. If you think the Jesus bit where he is killed supposedly somehow saves people I don't know what to tell you. It's all as absurd as the stuff CB posts. Why does a penalty have to be paid? What's the point?
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