Can christians be politically neutral?

[P1tchB7ack]

You actually apply that to all of humanity?  Please tell me you are just trolling.

"I" don't think anything.  Not a single one of MY opinions is based on the Bible.  I'm making that point that the Bible is open to interpretation and people can often find what they want to find.  Liberal Christians find what they want.  Conservative Christians find what they want.

Of course they find what they want.  They do with whether they are Christians or not so don't blame the Bible for people and their preconceived ideas.

You say that as though you are exempt from that truth.

Where did I say that?

You didn't say it directly.  That was the implication you made when you said "they" as though you weren't part of the people who finds what you want in the Bible.

[Orbit1]

No. I do not believe we can be politically neutral. Not any more. Lines are too clearly drawn. There is no middle ground. Personally I believe we will be held accountable for refusing to be involved, even if it’s just not voting. We get the leaders we want. We are elect our own leaders. Just like Israel when they wanted a king, even tho God warned them what would happen they wanted to be like others nations, and got a king like themselves. It wasn’t even a king that God wanted, someone that would seek Him for the good of the people like David.
When we elect ungodly leaders that are frankly at war with God (you’re at the wrong rally! Lol) we bring curses on ourselves, our nation, and our children.
Is the Right perfect, absolutely not. Are they way more Pro God, Pro Bible and Pro family? Absolutely. Without question. Look at the murder of Preborn children alone, not too mention the mutilation they left are pushing through radical surgeries on our kids.
There is no middle ground. This is Deuteronomy 28. The blessings and the cursings. Follow God or don’t follow God. No middle ground.

[stxbuck]

Detroit pastor Lorenzo Sewell argues it's 'impossible' for Christians to be 'politically neutral'
'We do not believe that every Democrat is a demon, but we do believe that the Democratic platform is demonic,' he said

A Detroit pastor told Fox News Digital that it is "impossible" for pastors and Christians to be politically "neutral."

The gospel message is a political message. The Bible is a political book from Genesis to Revelations. We see that the Bible is a political book," said Lorenzo Sewell, pastor of 180 Church in Detroit, Michigan.

"It is impossible to be politically neutral," he added.

Sewell, a Republican, spoke at the last Republican National Convention in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, in July. He endorsed President-elect Donald Trump in the 2024 presidential election and hosted the then-GOP presidential candidate at his church last summer.

He has previously been a critic of identity politics.

"It is important to be spiritual because you are political. You cannot be a spiritual person and not be political," Sewell added.



Sewell reacted to a story from the Washington Post detailing a Los Angeles pastor’s struggle with uniting his church before and after the presidential election.

Rev. Jonathan Hall, 41, a native of Alabama, led First Christian Church of North Hollywood for two years. First Christian is part of the Disciples of Christ denomination and serves over 1,000 members. "Persuading the Republicans, Democrats and independents in his pews to stay and pray with one another is getting more complicated," the Post reported.


Several congregants left the church due to their political differences. One of the members cited a film Hall planned to screen about Christian nationalism being "too one-sided" and "anti-Republican."

Others left after they discovered their peers were attending Trump’s inauguration.

Reacting to the Washington Post story, Sewell stressed the importance of bipartisanship.

We need to understand that you cannot have progress without being bipartisan. We understand that you have to work with the Democrats and you have to work with Republicans now in order to make real progress happen," the native of Detroit’s east side said. "So we have to have that discernment."




Sewell told Fox News Digital that there are Democrats at his church.

We do believe that it is very difficult for you to be a Bible-believing Christian and be a Democrat. We do believe that. Do I have Democrats in my church? Absolutely. We do not believe that every Democrat is a demon, but we do believe that the Democratic platform is demonic," he said.

"Adversely, we don't believe that every Republican is a revivalist. We don't worship a donkey nor elephant. We worship the lamb that was slain."

The preacher is not wrong about the nature of the Democrat platform. That said, the Republican or Libertarian platforms aren’t exactly a model of Christian doctrine either-and they couldn’t be, without going full on commie or pinko pacifist, imo.

What is ironic is that Trump is the most live and let president ever on moral issues-he is basically moderately pro-choice, and is pro-gay rights ( not any kid-tranny bs).

[stxbuck]

You can believe and be apolitical. Yes.

He’s right that not every democrat is influenced demonically. But an increasing part of the democratic platform is evil.

Do you, personally, believe that Christianity is 100% doctrinally compatible with free market economics and severe governmental fiscal restraint? I don’t-and I have argued this with priests.

[ScarletHayes]

You can believe and be apolitical. Yes.

He’s right that not every democrat is influenced demonically. But an increasing part of the democratic platform is evil.

Do you, personally, believe that Christianity is 100% doctrinally compatible with free market economics and severe governmental fiscal restraint? I don’t-and I have argued this with priests.

Not 100%, what is?  But I would definitely say it's a very strong alignment.  Things went into a gray area when charity was morphed into government programs.  It's how you get Christians that vote dem.  They actually believe they're being virtuous and charitable when they vote other people's money away from them. Wow, how generous.  

Voluntary consent equates to legitimacy.  Having your wealth confiscated via the threat of penalties and/or jail is hardly what I would call actual charity.    

Things were rough in the early 20th century, on back, because there wasn't the broad base of wealth that currently exists.  People weren't ruthless ogres back then; "everyone" was just poor.  Not a legit case against free market economics IMO.  Things just sucked for most people, but things were progressing.  Probably way too slow for your average do-gooder progressive of that era, but things were getting better.  2 guys in a bicycle shop gave us flight for gosh sakes.  Amen to freedom and the free market.

[Alabuckeye]

You can believe and be apolitical. Yes.

He’s right that not every democrat is influenced demonically. But an increasing part of the democratic platform is evil.

Do you, personally, believe that Christianity is 100% doctrinally compatible with free market economics and severe governmental fiscal restraint? I don’t-and I have argued this with priests.

I think it’s a mistake to tie Christianity with any political setup. A Christian has instruction on how to be a good citizen in any arrangement. 

Whether it be Roman Empire(New Testament) or Babylonian captivity(Jeremiah 29,first verses, not the overused and abused “God has plans to prosper you in verse 11). 

I think there are systems that are more humane(obviously) or moral than others. But I’d like to see a Biblical argument that one is God ordained. All systems have great potential for abuse of their citizens.

[K9Buck]

You can believe and be apolitical. Yes.

He’s right that not every democrat is influenced demonically. But an increasing part of the democratic platform is evil.

Do you, personally, believe that Christianity is 100% doctrinally compatible with free market economics and severe governmental fiscal restraint? I don’t-and I have argued this with priests.

I think free markets are compatible, but not necessarily full-fledged capitalism.  Here are some related scriptures.

https://www.openbible.info/topics/doing_business

[K9Buck]

You can believe and be apolitical. Yes.

He’s right that not every democrat is influenced demonically. But an increasing part of the democratic platform is evil.

Do you, personally, believe that Christianity is 100% doctrinally compatible with free market economics and severe governmental fiscal restraint? I don’t-and I have argued this with priests.

I think it’s a mistake to tie Christianity with any political setup. A Christian has instruction on how to be a good citizen in any arrangement. 

Whether it be Roman Empire(New Testament) or Babylonian captivity(Jeremiah 29,first verses, not the overused and abused “God has plans to prosper you in verse 11). 

I think there are systems that are more humane(obviously) or moral than others. But I’d like to see a Biblical argument that one is God ordained. All systems have great potential for abuse of their citizens.

I believe Jesus wants us to do unto others and to treat others fairly.

[computerbuck]

You can believe and be apolitical. Yes.

He’s right that not every democrat is influenced demonically. But an increasing part of the democratic platform is evil.

Do you, personally, believe that Christianity is 100% doctrinally compatible with free market economics and severe governmental fiscal restraint? I don’t-and I have argued this with priests.

I think it’s a mistake to tie Christianity with any political setup. A Christian has instruction on how to be a good citizen in any arrangement. 

Whether it be Roman Empire(New Testament) or Babylonian captivity(Jeremiah 29,first verses, not the overused and abused “God has plans to prosper you in verse 11). 

I think there are systems that are more humane(obviously) or moral than others. But I’d like to see a Biblical argument that one is God ordained. All systems have great potential for abuse of their citizens.

BY NOT VOTING, GOD WILL JUDGE THOSE WHO ALLOW/CONDONE ABORTION OR TRANS SEX CHANGES TO KIDS, EVEN IF YOU WOULDN'T GET ONE YOURSELF, BY ENABLING OTHERS TO SIN GOD SAYS THEIR BLOOD WILL BE ON YOUR HANDS

[K9Buck]

You can believe and be apolitical. Yes.

He’s right that not every democrat is influenced demonically. But an increasing part of the democratic platform is evil.

Do you, personally, believe that Christianity is 100% doctrinally compatible with free market economics and severe governmental fiscal restraint? I don’t-and I have argued this with priests.

I think it’s a mistake to tie Christianity with any political setup. A Christian has instruction on how to be a good citizen in any arrangement. 

Whether it be Roman Empire(New Testament) or Babylonian captivity(Jeremiah 29,first verses, not the overused and abused “God has plans to prosper you in verse 11). 

I think there are systems that are more humane(obviously) or moral than others. But I’d like to see a Biblical argument that one is God ordained. All systems have great potential for abuse of their citizens.

BY NOT VOTING, GOD WILL JUDGE THOSE WHO ALLOW/CONDONE ABORTION OR TRANS SEX CHANGES TO KIDS, EVEN IF YOU WOULDN'T GET ONE YOURSELF, BY ENABLING OTHERS TO SIN GOD SAYS THEIR BLOOD WILL BE ON YOUR HANDS

I don't believe that still applies.

[P1tchB7ack]

Well, the responses in this thread show, as I said, people find exactly what they want in the Bible.  Even among Christian, MAGA conservatives there's disagreement.

[K9Buck]

Well, the responses in this thread show, as I said, people find exactly what they want in the Bible.  Even among Christian, MAGA conservatives there's disagreement.

People find what they want in everything.

[stxbuck]

Well, the responses in this thread show, as I said, people find exactly what they want in the Bible.  Even among Christian, MAGA conservatives there's disagreement.

Abortion and tranny stuff is pretty clearly anti-Biblical.

Otoh, Christianity is very pacifist and I think a lot of military people who claim Christianity are walking a fine line with a gung ho attitude. Nothing wrong with that-but just do what a lot of soldiers do and say “See you in Valhalla”-don’t try to twist the Bible to suit your personality/actions-find a religion that fits-like Odinism or Judaism. Yeah-I’m talking to you Pete Hegseth……..

[dunefan]

Well, the responses in this thread show, as I said, people find exactly what they want in the Bible.  Even among Christian, MAGA conservatives there's disagreement.

Abortion and tranny stuff is pretty clearly anti-Biblical.

Otoh, Christianity is very pacifist and I think a lot of military people who claim Christianity are walking a fine line with a gung ho attitude. Nothing wrong with that-but just do what a lot of soldiers do and say “See you in Valhalla”-don’t try to twist the Bible to suit your personality/actions-find a religion that fits-like Odinism or Judaism. Yeah-I’m talking to you Pete Hegseth……..

Crusades anyone?  LOL

[P1tchB7ack]

You can believe and be apolitical. Yes.

He’s right that not every democrat is influenced demonically. But an increasing part of the democratic platform is evil.

Do you, personally, believe that Christianity is 100% doctrinally compatible with free market economics and severe governmental fiscal restraint? I don’t-and I have argued this with priests.

I think it’s a mistake to tie Christianity with any political setup. A Christian has instruction on how to be a good citizen in any arrangement. 

Whether it be Roman Empire(New Testament) or Babylonian captivity(Jeremiah 29,first verses, not the overused and abused “God has plans to prosper you in verse 11). 

I think there are systems that are more humane(obviously) or moral than others. But I’d like to see a Biblical argument that one is God ordained. All systems have great potential for abuse of their citizens.

I believe Jesus wants us to do unto others and to treat others fairly.

Don't forget walls.  Jesus said to build really big walls to keep others out.