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(08-07-2024, 01:49 PM)P1tchB7ack Wrote: (08-07-2024, 01:32 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-07-2024, 01:02 PM)P1tchB7ack Wrote: (08-07-2024, 12:23 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-07-2024, 12:09 PM)P1tchB7ack Wrote: Because of the size of government, we'd all have to be taxed at 25%, federal taxes alone, without a progressive tax system. That obviously wouldn't work because it would crush the middle class. As such, most people don't mind the redistribution of wealth associated with a progressive tax system.
Most people, Republicans included, don't mind a child tax credit to encourage adults to have children.
Those are all redistribution of wealth.
I'd bet you wouldn't mind a government program to supply low cost/free birth control to the lowest income females.
I'm other words, everyone has their limit on government handouts/wealth redistribution and that limit is rarely at zero redistribution.
Middle class? The middle class is already disappearing and the primary cause isn't taxation but the welfare state. The problem is not taxation. The problem is too many government welfare programs and spending. The problem is not lack of revenue. The problem is too much spending.
Yes, spending is out of control. Government is too big. The middle class is shrinking.
That's all beside the point in a discussion about wealth redistribution.
Would you support taxpayer money being used to provide free birth control for the poorest, inner city females?
Do you acknowledge that a non-progressive tax of 25% is impossible to sustain?
Are either of those two things "communism" or just wealth redistribution along the same lines as what Walz did in Minnesota?
Wrong. Wealth redistribution is Marxism/communism and that is exactly what we have now. Government is big because we are using it to redistribute wealth. The biggest government department, HHS, is where the wealth is being redistributed. Once again, taxation is not the issue and we could have reasonable taxation in some form but attempting to create a tax system that allows for unlimited spending is not possible.
So, in your perfect world, governments at all levels, would be sized correctly, there would be no social security, no Medicare/Medicaid. Our tax forms would be basically 6 lines - name, social, income, taxes owed, taxes paid, difference.The federal and state governments would deal only in things the benefit all people in their purview.
In my world there would be a lot more personal responsibility and a lot less government handouts.
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Most of us on the ZNH grew up in the Midwest. He does not represent Midwest values at all. These are not the ideas we grew up with. Timpon Walz is a loon.
My Dad was also a teacher like Walz. He was nothing like Walz and I'm thankful for that. Sometimes I wish I could talk to my Dad to explain how much crazier things have gotten in just the last 6.5 years. He would be disgusted.
Midwestern Marxist Dad would be a more a proper title for this sicko.
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(08-07-2024, 03:22 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-07-2024, 01:49 PM)P1tchB7ack Wrote: (08-07-2024, 01:32 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-07-2024, 01:02 PM)P1tchB7ack Wrote: (08-07-2024, 12:23 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: Middle class? The middle class is already disappearing and the primary cause isn't taxation but the welfare state. The problem is not taxation. The problem is too many government welfare programs and spending. The problem is not lack of revenue. The problem is too much spending.
Yes, spending is out of control. Government is too big. The middle class is shrinking.
That's all beside the point in a discussion about wealth redistribution.
Would you support taxpayer money being used to provide free birth control for the poorest, inner city females?
Do you acknowledge that a non-progressive tax of 25% is impossible to sustain?
Are either of those two things "communism" or just wealth redistribution along the same lines as what Walz did in Minnesota?
Wrong. Wealth redistribution is Marxism/communism and that is exactly what we have now. Government is big because we are using it to redistribute wealth. The biggest government department, HHS, is where the wealth is being redistributed. Once again, taxation is not the issue and we could have reasonable taxation in some form but attempting to create a tax system that allows for unlimited spending is not possible.
So, in your perfect world, governments at all levels, would be sized correctly, there would be no social security, no Medicare/Medicaid. Our tax forms would be basically 6 lines - name, social, income, taxes owed, taxes paid, difference.The federal and state governments would deal only in things the benefit all people in their purview.
In my world there would be a lot more personal responsibility and a lot less government handouts.
I agree, but where do you draw the line because your implication is that ALL government handouts/tax differential is Marxist/communist.
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(08-07-2024, 03:55 PM)P1tchB7ack Wrote: (08-07-2024, 03:22 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-07-2024, 01:49 PM)P1tchB7ack Wrote: (08-07-2024, 01:32 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-07-2024, 01:02 PM)P1tchB7ack Wrote: Yes, spending is out of control. Government is too big. The middle class is shrinking.
That's all beside the point in a discussion about wealth redistribution.
Would you support taxpayer money being used to provide free birth control for the poorest, inner city females?
Do you acknowledge that a non-progressive tax of 25% is impossible to sustain?
Are either of those two things "communism" or just wealth redistribution along the same lines as what Walz did in Minnesota?
Wrong. Wealth redistribution is Marxism/communism and that is exactly what we have now. Government is big because we are using it to redistribute wealth. The biggest government department, HHS, is where the wealth is being redistributed. Once again, taxation is not the issue and we could have reasonable taxation in some form but attempting to create a tax system that allows for unlimited spending is not possible.
So, in your perfect world, governments at all levels, would be sized correctly, there would be no social security, no Medicare/Medicaid. Our tax forms would be basically 6 lines - name, social, income, taxes owed, taxes paid, difference.The federal and state governments would deal only in things the benefit all people in their purview.
In my world there would be a lot more personal responsibility and a lot less government handouts.
I agree, but where do you draw the line because your implication is that ALL government handouts/tax differential is Marxist/communist.
My implication is that wealth redistribution is Marxist/communist.
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(08-07-2024, 04:00 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-07-2024, 03:55 PM)P1tchB7ack Wrote: (08-07-2024, 03:22 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-07-2024, 01:49 PM)P1tchB7ack Wrote: (08-07-2024, 01:32 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: Wrong. Wealth redistribution is Marxism/communism and that is exactly what we have now. Government is big because we are using it to redistribute wealth. The biggest government department, HHS, is where the wealth is being redistributed. Once again, taxation is not the issue and we could have reasonable taxation in some form but attempting to create a tax system that allows for unlimited spending is not possible.
So, in your perfect world, governments at all levels, would be sized correctly, there would be no social security, no Medicare/Medicaid. Our tax forms would be basically 6 lines - name, social, income, taxes owed, taxes paid, difference.The federal and state governments would deal only in things the benefit all people in their purview.
In my world there would be a lot more personal responsibility and a lot less government handouts.
I agree, but where do you draw the line because your implication is that ALL government handouts/tax differential is Marxist/communist.
My implication is that wealth redistribution is Marxist/communist.
Right, so it stands to reason that we should get rid of all wealth redistribution... since it's Marxist/communist.
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(08-07-2024, 04:18 PM)P1tchB7ack Wrote: (08-07-2024, 04:00 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-07-2024, 03:55 PM)P1tchB7ack Wrote: (08-07-2024, 03:22 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-07-2024, 01:49 PM)P1tchB7ack Wrote: So, in your perfect world, governments at all levels, would be sized correctly, there would be no social security, no Medicare/Medicaid. Our tax forms would be basically 6 lines - name, social, income, taxes owed, taxes paid, difference.The federal and state governments would deal only in things the benefit all people in their purview.
In my world there would be a lot more personal responsibility and a lot less government handouts.
I agree, but where do you draw the line because your implication is that ALL government handouts/tax differential is Marxist/communist.
My implication is that wealth redistribution is Marxist/communist.
Right, so it stands to reason that we should get rid of all wealth redistribution... since it's Marxist/communist.
If it is wealth redistribution and not a legitimate government expense, that is correct.
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Van Jones talking like a Republican.
At 6:32 if video doesn't start there.
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(08-07-2024, 04:25 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-07-2024, 04:18 PM)P1tchB7ack Wrote: (08-07-2024, 04:00 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-07-2024, 03:55 PM)P1tchB7ack Wrote: (08-07-2024, 03:22 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: In my world there would be a lot more personal responsibility and a lot less government handouts.
I agree, but where do you draw the line because your implication is that ALL government handouts/tax differential is Marxist/communist.
My implication is that wealth redistribution is Marxist/communist.
Right, so it stands to reason that we should get rid of all wealth redistribution... since it's Marxist/communist.
If it is wealth redistribution and not a legitimate government expense, that is correct.
Right, so we are all, regardless of income, taxed at the same rate. No child tax credits. The poorest and most incapable will rely on charities and private entities only.....stuff like that.
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(08-07-2024, 02:10 PM)P1tchB7ack Wrote: (08-07-2024, 01:42 PM)maize Wrote: (08-07-2024, 01:29 PM)P1tchB7ack Wrote: (08-07-2024, 12:48 PM)maize Wrote: Quote: <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I'm pretty sure Walz's comments about JD Vance and the couch yesterday during his speech would fit into this. A story that was debunked. This doesn't include almost every comment that he and Kamala made yesterday that were lies.
Wonder why they only showed 8 seconds which allows for no context.
Oh, wait... it's Twitter. The odds of the person carrying about accuracy and context are about zero.
Actually, there's an absolute right to free speech, guaranteed by The First Amendment of the US Constitution, Mr. Libertarian and Tampon Tim.
So you're ok with slandering people, threatening people's lives, spreading military secrets, etc?.
So no, obviously.
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(08-07-2024, 05:31 PM)P1tchB7ack Wrote: (08-07-2024, 04:25 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-07-2024, 04:18 PM)P1tchB7ack Wrote: (08-07-2024, 04:00 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-07-2024, 03:55 PM)P1tchB7ack Wrote: I agree, but where do you draw the line because your implication is that ALL government handouts/tax differential is Marxist/communist.
My implication is that wealth redistribution is Marxist/communist.
Right, so it stands to reason that we should get rid of all wealth redistribution... since it's Marxist/communist.
If it is wealth redistribution and not a legitimate government expense, that is correct.
Right, so we are all, regardless of income, taxed at the same rate. No child tax credits. The poorest and most incapable will rely on charities and private entities only.....stuff like that.
Pretty much. Seemed to work much better that way.
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Have Levin on the radio and he’s calling the VP nominee Tampon Tim. Was lmao, then I got on here and went back a page and saw this was already a thing. Hillary actually praised him? Does she know he wants them in boys’ bathrooms?
Man do we live in surreal times. Nut jobs are in charge.
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(08-06-2024, 09:43 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (08-06-2024, 09:15 AM)P1tchB7ack Wrote: (08-06-2024, 07:27 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: So we hear that Harris will select her VP candidate today and everyone in mainstream conservative media is saying that if it isn't Josh Shapiro, it is because he is Jewish. I just heard Neo-con radio host Hugh Hewitt recite that multiple times. Meanwhile, nearly every key position in the Biden/Harris government is held by a Jew. Both of Biden's Chief's of Staff, who arguably runs the show, are Jewish. What is the basis for conservative commentators creating that narrative? Do they require the entire government be run by Jews or do they just recite the Jew victim narrative so often they can't think of anything else?
There's this thing that happened on 10/7/23 that may have increased tensions between Jews and Muslims and caused significant intra-party tensions in the Dem party.
No. Conservatives more and more just seem to be idiots. They waste time pandering to the two groups that support them the least, blacks and Jews. Thanks to 40 years of globalist economics that have destroyed single family incomes, whites don't have enough kids. Plus with 30-40-50 million immigrants (all black and brown) we are outnumbered.
So we have no choice but to expand our voter reach.
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