US Dept of Energy says Covid came from a lab leak

[3rdgensooner]

Yeah thatâ€s basically how the research went and is presented. I reviewed it again and itâ€s overwhelming. They just about have it down to the stall in the market. Nothing at all indicates lab origin. Not a shred of any research. It all screams like a giant neon arrow pointing at the market. The latest is just another nail in a coffin that was sealed pretty tight already. Not surprising given it was by far the most likely scenario.
Just out of curiosity could we have a list or one person sure it was bat soup? I canâ€t think of anyone.

The reports that you've trusted are all based on the same garbage CCP released study. 

You're a moron!

Those reports would be? And the CCP released study would be? The main researcher is from the University of Arizona BTW. Have you actually read the studies I posted?
Yes I laughed when I posted that. They have big words and numbers.

There was data publicly released by the Chinese government that was later deleted from the internet. I think that is what Dave is referring to.

I believe Dave was referring to the gene sequencing data that was posted and subsequently deleted. Here is an article regarding that. Now the scientists interviewed for the article suggest that data makes the market as the source more plausible than a lab leak.

So you said. That doesn't cover everything I posted about as he seems to be saying nor does it accurately describe that particular issue.

[Sanitarian2]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/a...d=msedgntp&cvid=7cb257b391df4d7096c5a75f40ed0bf9&ei=12

Wow Jean, Wow and you claim to follow the science. People under the age of 40 with Diabetes are at very low absolute risk of hospitalization from Covid. Age is the single most important factor in case outcome.

[Alabuckeye]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/a...d=msedgntp&cvid=7cb257b391df4d7096c5a75f40ed0bf9&ei=12

Wow Jean, Wow and you claim to follow the science. People under the age of 40 with Diabetes are at very low absolute risk of hospitalization from Covid. Age is the single most important factor in case outcome.

Her sentence about making society equitable was odd. Like pulling society down to the lowest common denominator

[3rdgensooner]

Sanity always lies more towards the middle in most things. That was saddening to read.

[ChinaBuck]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/a...d=msedgntp&cvid=7cb257b391df4d7096c5a75f40ed0bf9&ei=12

Wow Jean, Wow and you claim to follow the science. People under the age of 40 with Diabetes are at very low absolute risk of hospitalization from Covid. Age is the single most important factor in case outcome.

Some people choose to be imprisoned by their own imagination and fears of what might be and then feel the need to advertise their self-suffering to all within earshot. Martyrial almost. 

My FIL is not quite this bad. But he still gets up at 5:45 every morning and damp mops the entire home (except our bedroom) with some anti-microbial agent. He has gone to a restaurant only 4 times in the last three years (only important family gatherings). He considers restaurants to be hotbeds of COVID. He doesn't want my wife and I to go to any restaurants. Of course, we do and he grouses about it. But he refuses to go to grocery stores or the mall. Naturally he's wearing his mask everywhere. Only recently did he stop wearing one while driving. 

Here's a good one for you. About 18-20 days ago the FIL gets sick, has to go to the ED. "oh no, I got the dreaded COVID!!!" It's not COVID, just some upper respiratory bug going around everywhere. So the ED docs prescribe him some meds. He buys some "Oxygen Concentrator" which somehow cycles through the air in the room and filters the air to blow concentrated oxygen on your face as you sleep. Not sure what it does with the nitrogen and argon that make up about the remaining 78% of the air. Maybe those gases magically disappear. Anyway, a few days after he got it, the MIL got it (minor), and then a few more days later the wifey gets it (moderate), then about a 6-7 days later I got it (moderate). But he was convinced that somehow I didn't get it from my wife, but because I had gone to a restaurant. And maybe it's the evil COVID. No, not COVID, it's same thing you had buddy.

He is absolutely scared witless by COVID. Terrified.

[ScarletHayes]

Well, when a government welds people shut into their own homes I'm guessing it has an effect on everyone else.  Man, this must be serious!  

Well, it was in 2020.  I stayed away from my dad who turns 89 later this year.  Probably a good idea, but I can hear my dad in my head...  Hell I'm 86 anyway, if I die seeing my kids and grand-kids, so be it.

[3rdgensooner]

Well, when a government welds people shut into their own homes I'm guessing it has an effect on everyone else.  Man, this must be serious!  

Well, it was in 2020.  I stayed away from my dad who turns 89 later this year.  Probably a good idea, but I can hear my dad in my head...  Hell I'm 86 anyway, if I die seeing my kids and grand-kids, so be it.

The extremes are what get me. Both sides. A guy parked next to me at the grocery this AM and I thought something was odd but I couldn't put my finger on it. Then it hit me. He had driven up wearing a surgical mask. OK.  Just a working class looking middle aged guy in a kind of piece of crap car.

[Alabuckeye]

Well, when a government welds people shut into their own homes I'm guessing it has an effect on everyone else.  Man, this must be serious!  

Well, it was in 2020.  I stayed away from my dad who turns 89 later this year.  Probably a good idea, but I can hear my dad in my head...  Hell I'm 86 anyway, if I die seeing my kids and grand-kids, so be it.

The extremes are what get me. Both sides. A guy parked next to me at the grocery this AM and I thought something was odd but I couldn't put my finger on it. Then it hit me. He had driven up wearing a surgical mask. OK.  Just a working class looking middle aged guy in a kind of piece of crap car.

Iâ€d totally agree with this. From that article to folks I see post on social media to folks I see in the grocery store or elsewhere.  I truly donâ€t care if people mask when in public. Now the ones who are using inadequate masks are humorous to me, but itâ€s a personal choice. 

But folks demanding we keep regulations in place from 3 years ago…demand that we mandate vaccines….no. I place them in the same camp as those who think this whole thing was a scam. A plandemic. Thatâ€s nonsense too. 

I lost a cousin to Covid and my wifeâ€s uncle. Her parents are 80ish and have serious comorbidities…guess what. We see them regularly and have the whole time….but if we arenâ€t feeling well, we stay away. Itâ€s just common sense.  They havenâ€t gotten it.

[ScarletHayes]

I think the "plandemic" aspect of it was a reactionary move.  Not that someone cooked up a scheme to release a virus on the planet.  Once the virus took off "they" saw an opportunity to scare the hell out of everyone during an election year, and it worked to their favor.  How they pulled off changing election law in so many key/swing states?   I gotta say, I was pretty impressed with the operation.  The election was over before it started.

[3rdgensooner]

Well, when a government welds people shut into their own homes I'm guessing it has an effect on everyone else.  Man, this must be serious!  

Well, it was in 2020.  I stayed away from my dad who turns 89 later this year.  Probably a good idea, but I can hear my dad in my head...  Hell I'm 86 anyway, if I die seeing my kids and grand-kids, so be it.

The extremes are what get me. Both sides. A guy parked next to me at the grocery this AM and I thought something was odd but I couldn't put my finger on it. Then it hit me. He had driven up wearing a surgical mask. OK.  Just a working class looking middle aged guy in a kind of piece of crap car.

Iâ€d totally agree with this. From that article to folks I see post on social media to folks I see in the grocery store or elsewhere.  I truly donâ€t care if people mask when in public. Now the ones who are using inadequate masks are humorous to me, but itâ€s a personal choice. 

But folks demanding we keep regulations in place from 3 years ago…demand that we mandate vaccines….no. I place them in the same camp as those who think this whole thing was a scam. A plandemic. Thatâ€s nonsense too. 

I lost a cousin to Covid and my wifeâ€s uncle. Her parents are 80ish and have serious comorbidities…guess what. We see them regularly and have the whole time….but if we arenâ€t feeling well, we stay away. Itâ€s just common sense.  They havenâ€t gotten it.

That basically sums it up.

[stxbuck]

Well, when a government welds people shut into their own homes I'm guessing it has an effect on everyone else.  Man, this must be serious!  

Well, it was in 2020.  I stayed away from my dad who turns 89 later this year.  Probably a good idea, but I can hear my dad in my head...  Hell I'm 86 anyway, if I die seeing my kids and grand-kids, so be it.

The extremes are what get me. Both sides. A guy parked next to me at the grocery this AM and I thought something was odd but I couldn't put my finger on it. Then it hit me. He had driven up wearing a surgical mask. OK.  Just a working class looking middle aged guy in a kind of piece of crap car.

What really pisses me off are the idiots wearing masks who donâ€t cover their noses. Paranoid and completely imbecilic.

[3rdgensooner]

Well, when a government welds people shut into their own homes I'm guessing it has an effect on everyone else.  Man, this must be serious!  

Well, it was in 2020.  I stayed away from my dad who turns 89 later this year.  Probably a good idea, but I can hear my dad in my head...  Hell I'm 86 anyway, if I die seeing my kids and grand-kids, so be it.

The extremes are what get me. Both sides. A guy parked next to me at the grocery this AM and I thought something was odd but I couldn't put my finger on it. Then it hit me. He had driven up wearing a surgical mask. OK.  Just a working class looking middle aged guy in a kind of piece of crap car.

What really pisses me off are the idiots wearing masks who donâ€t cover their noses. Paranoid and completely imbecilic.

The inability to just wear a mask properly amazed me during the pandemic. Most were not anti-masker types who just didn't care. It's pretty easy. It's not like there was some class in medical school on how to accomplish that complex task. When I see those people I always check their shoes to see if they have velcro closures because there's no way they're tying laces.

[stxbuck]

Well, when a government welds people shut into their own homes I'm guessing it has an effect on everyone else.  Man, this must be serious!  

Well, it was in 2020.  I stayed away from my dad who turns 89 later this year.  Probably a good idea, but I can hear my dad in my head...  Hell I'm 86 anyway, if I die seeing my kids and grand-kids, so be it.

The extremes are what get me. Both sides. A guy parked next to me at the grocery this AM and I thought something was odd but I couldn't put my finger on it. Then it hit me. He had driven up wearing a surgical mask. OK.  Just a working class looking middle aged guy in a kind of piece of crap car.

Iâ€d totally agree with this. From that article to folks I see post on social media to folks I see in the grocery store or elsewhere.  I truly donâ€t care if people mask when in public. Now the ones who are using inadequate masks are humorous to me, but itâ€s a personal choice. 

But folks demanding we keep regulations in place from 3 years ago…demand that we mandate vaccines….no. I place them in the same camp as those who think this whole thing was a scam. A plandemic. Thatâ€s nonsense too. 

I lost a cousin to Covid and my wifeâ€s uncle. Her parents are 80ish and have serious comorbidities…guess what. We see them regularly and have the whole time….but if we arenâ€t feeling well, we stay away. Itâ€s just common sense.  They havenâ€t gotten it.

They havenâ€t gotten it b/c they test regularly and know, or they simply havenâ€t been hospitalized, thankfully? I got it in January of last year-tested positive, but I had similar symptoms late last year and tested negative-but it was a nine month old test, so who knows?

[Alabuckeye]

Well, when a government welds people shut into their own homes I'm guessing it has an effect on everyone else.  Man, this must be serious!  

Well, it was in 2020.  I stayed away from my dad who turns 89 later this year.  Probably a good idea, but I can hear my dad in my head...  Hell I'm 86 anyway, if I die seeing my kids and grand-kids, so be it.

The extremes are what get me. Both sides. A guy parked next to me at the grocery this AM and I thought something was odd but I couldn't put my finger on it. Then it hit me. He had driven up wearing a surgical mask. OK.  Just a working class looking middle aged guy in a kind of piece of crap car.

Iâ€d totally agree with this. From that article to folks I see post on social media to folks I see in the grocery store or elsewhere.  I truly donâ€t care if people mask when in public. Now the ones who are using inadequate masks are humorous to me, but itâ€s a personal choice. 

But folks demanding we keep regulations in place from 3 years ago…demand that we mandate vaccines….no. I place them in the same camp as those who think this whole thing was a scam. A plandemic. Thatâ€s nonsense too. 

I lost a cousin to Covid and my wifeâ€s uncle. Her parents are 80ish and have serious comorbidities…guess what. We see them regularly and have the whole time….but if we arenâ€t feeling well, we stay away. Itâ€s just common sense.  They havenâ€t gotten it.

They havenâ€t gotten it b/c they test regularly and know, or they simply havenâ€t been hospitalized, thankfully? I got it in January of last year-tested positive, but I had similar symptoms late last year and tested negative-but it was a nine month old test, so who knows?

They havenâ€t gotten it because they have gotten the vaccines…they just donâ€t get out much at all….and people who visit them are careful

[stxbuck]

Well, when a government welds people shut into their own homes I'm guessing it has an effect on everyone else.  Man, this must be serious!  

Well, it was in 2020.  I stayed away from my dad who turns 89 later this year.  Probably a good idea, but I can hear my dad in my head...  Hell I'm 86 anyway, if I die seeing my kids and grand-kids, so be it.

The extremes are what get me. Both sides. A guy parked next to me at the grocery this AM and I thought something was odd but I couldn't put my finger on it. Then it hit me. He had driven up wearing a surgical mask. OK.  Just a working class looking middle aged guy in a kind of piece of crap car.

Iâ€d totally agree with this. From that article to folks I see post on social media to folks I see in the grocery store or elsewhere.  I truly donâ€t care if people mask when in public. Now the ones who are using inadequate masks are humorous to me, but itâ€s a personal choice. 

But folks demanding we keep regulations in place from 3 years ago…demand that we mandate vaccines….no. I place them in the same camp as those who think this whole thing was a scam. A plandemic. Thatâ€s nonsense too. 

I lost a cousin to Covid and my wifeâ€s uncle. Her parents are 80ish and have serious comorbidities…guess what. We see them regularly and have the whole time….but if we arenâ€t feeling well, we stay away. Itâ€s just common sense.  They havenâ€t gotten it.

They havenâ€t gotten it b/c they test regularly and know, or they simply havenâ€t been hospitalized, thankfully? I got it in January of last year-tested positive, but I had similar symptoms late last year and tested negative-but it was a nine month old test, so who knows?

They havenâ€t gotten it because they have gotten the vaccines…they just donâ€t get out much at all….and people who visit them are careful

I got vaxxed when it was first available, but when the Bengals made the playoffs in 21†I had playoff tickets and was like “I ‘m totally going to catch omnicron and itâ€s totally going to be worth it!!!” I did catch omnicron the week after the game and it was worth it to be there!