In penn. You can't mail in your Deer tag, but you can a ballot

[ScarletHayes]

Ya mention something on here and people immediately go into all or nothing mode.  Mail carriers *could* be one aspect.  Could be.  Toss in ballot harvesting.  All of it.  The overall theme is mail in ballots.  They should be illegal.  Outside of a legit reason, they need to be gone and I would NEVER trust my ballot being in another personâ€s hand.  Mail carrier or not.  Itâ€s one reason why I go in person.  Itâ€s one reason, among many, I wish the practice was gone and never existed.  My ballot should go from me marking it then immediately counted into the tally for the precinct.  No one else should have any access at all to it.  Zero

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Ya mention something on here and people immediately go into all or nothing mode.  Mail carriers *could* be one aspect.  Could be.  Toss in ballot harvesting.  All of it.  The overall theme is mail in ballots.  They should be illegal.  Outside of a legit reason, they need to be gone and I would NEVER trust my ballot being in another personâ€s hand.  Mail carrier or not.  Itâ€s one reason why I go in person.  Itâ€s one reason, among many, I wish the practice was gone and never existed.  My ballot should go from me marking it then immediately counted into the tally for the precinct.  No one else should have any access at all to it.  Zero

I think we  can scratch off a collusion of mail carriers trying to impact elections.

Ballot harvesting?   Yes, that probably does happen in some form or another.

What is probably going on are bad candidates, people hating Trump, and people who just vote dem no matter what.   I think this is evident in California, Oregon, and NY where republicans won congressional seats.   And no, I don't think dems let a few elections go to republicans   just to MAKE IT LOOK like there is no cheating.   If dems were all powerful they'd hold every seat from dem states.

[ScarletHayes]

435 congressional races.  Not even the Dems could rig those in Dem controlled states.  Presidential elections you set up camp in the cities.  Their machinery is ensconced in the cites.  Itâ€s a layup to have Detroit, Philly, etc... control if a state is gonna go blue or red

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435 congressional races.  Not even the Dems could rig those in Dem controlled states.  Presidential elections you set up camp in the cities.  Their machinery is ensconced in the cites.  Itâ€s a layup to have Detroit, Philly, etc... control if a state is gonna go blue or red

How do they cheat for tens of thousands of votes in these cities when both parties sit on BOE?  You are acting as if every vote in each city goes to the dem.  And this off sets the entire vote of the state?

how does Georgia win with republicans like Kemp, etc if the dems control Atlanta?  All the dems have to do is spin Atlanta like you said with Philly and Detroit, right?

How does DeSantis win in Florida?  They have big cities AND mail in voting like Ohio and every state.  Absentee ballots are used in every state.

[ScarletHayes]

Every state is not the same.  There are blue states.  There are red states.  There are purple states.  Trump flipped slight blue states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.  The urban sleeping giants in those states were awakened and werenâ€t about to let a 2016 ever happen again.  

With California, NY and Illinois permanently in the blue column, the Dems are committed to start every election on 3rd base.  They get Texas?  Turn out the lights.  

As an aside, kudos to Ron DeSantis for trending Florida from purple to red.  One bright spot on the electoral map.  Also Iâ€m hearing of movements within the GOP making moves on the ballot harvesting front (in the states itâ€s legal).  Adapt or die.  This (mail in ballots) is the new normal.

[maize]

How does DeSantis win in Florida?  They have big cities AND mail in voting like Ohio and every state.  Absentee ballots are used in every state.

Florida looked at what happened in 2000 and then made changes. Now they have one of the most secure election processes in America, if not the best. 

Remember that DeSantis barely beat the gay meth head in 2018. People like to forget that for whatever reason. What a disaster Gillum would have been. 

[maize]

 Also Iâ€m hearing of movements within the GOP making moves on the ballot harvesting front (in the states itâ€s legal).  Adapt or die.  This (mail in ballots) is the new normal.

In the wake of the Democratic Partyâ€s performance in the 2020 presidential and 2022 midterm elections, former President Donald Trumpâ€s campaign is exploring ways to win over the mail-in vote.

According to the Wall Street Journal, Trumpâ€s staff is reviewing state laws on absentee and mail-in voting, as well as ballot harvesting. As a result of comments made by some GOP 2024 presidential hopefuls, such as Florida Governor Ron DeSantis and South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley, Trump, who was notoriously critical of mail-in votes after the 2020 election, is changing his tune.

The party has been criticized for focusing too much on Election Day turnout in recent elections, failing to capitalize on opportunities.

A grassroots fundraising email Trump sent out earlier read:

“The radical Democrats have used ballot harvesting to cancel out YOUR vote and walk away with elections that they NEVER should have won. But Iâ€m doing something HUGE to fight back.”

Our path forward is to MASTER the Democrats†own game of harvesting ballots in every state we can. But that also means we need to start laying the foundation for victory RIGHT NOW.”

The former president now 2024 hopeful told Breitbart News that “a mail-in ballot will always be corrupt,”

“The system, itâ€s not a question of being broken — the system is corrupt. Itâ€s a corrupt system. A mail-in ballot will always be corrupt. When you go to a polling location and they want your identification and everything, the way — you canâ€t really vote unless itâ€s a legit deal.”

Trump continued “If you have mail-in ballots, nobody has any idea where itâ€s coming from or where itâ€s going to and then it travels through so many hands. Jimmy Carter came out a long time ago with a number of highly respected people and they wrote something, and the one thing that come out loud and clear is that mail-in ballots are corrupt. France had it, a lot of countries had it and they went away from it now.”

The former president continued to slam the Left, “But you can shame the hell out of people and you can shame the Democrats. The Democrats know itâ€s corrupt and the Democrats should want to fix it but they donâ€t because they do have an advantage under that system. For the time, though, we have to live with the system that stinks so we have to fight it like they do.”

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[davebucknut]

Only takes a few here and there.  If there are a lot of those few here and theres it adds up.  People know how people in certain areas vote.  All you have to do is look at gerrymandering.  10 ballots here, 20 ballots there, etc...  

The knee-jerk defense of mail in (especially unsolicited) voting just befuddles the hell out of me

By no means am I defending voter fraud, but does it really only take 10-20 here and there to change an election?  How many elections are that close? How many mail carriers are willing to risk significant prison time because of the slightest chance that an election will be that close?

Remember when you said that voter fraud didn't happen (or in extremely rare cases)? Then something about honest mistakes? Then it changed to it only happens in small amounts? Then it changed to it's not enough to change an election? There are some more steps in there too and more jumping around, dishonesty and lies. You have changed your story so many times, it's hard to keep track. 

I remember. So do others.

My position has always been that voter fraud does happen, but not in amounts that would change an election. Nothing I have ever seen has changed my mind on that.

Hahaha you're such a fraud.

I know that you'll refute it but 2000 mules absolutely showed enough fraud to change a lot of elections in 2020.

And btw state and local races matter just as much as national.

[P1tchblack]

Only takes a few here and there.  If there are a lot of those few here and theres it adds up.  People know how people in certain areas vote.  All you have to do is look at gerrymandering.  10 ballots here, 20 ballots there, etc...  

The knee-jerk defense of mail in (especially unsolicited) voting just befuddles the hell out of me

By no means am I defending voter fraud, but does it really only take 10-20 here and there to change an election?  How many elections are that close? How many mail carriers are willing to risk significant prison time because of the slightest chance that an election will be that close?

Remember when you said that voter fraud didn't happen (or in extremely rare cases)? Then something about honest mistakes? Then it changed to it only happens in small amounts? Then it changed to it's not enough to change an election? There are some more steps in there too and more jumping around, dishonesty and lies. You have changed your story so many times, it's hard to keep track. 

I remember. So do others.

My position has always been that voter fraud does happen, but not in amounts that would change an election. Nothing I have ever seen has changed my mind on that.

Hahaha you're such a fraud.

I know that you'll refute it but 2000 mules absolutely showed enough fraud to change a lot of elections in 2020.

And btw state and local races matter just as much as national.

I don't have to personally refute anything. 2000 Mules, despite having over 7 years of video, never showed a single person at more than one drop box. That speaks for itself.

[Beastdog]

Wrong as usual, pitch.

[P1tchblack]

Wrong as usual, pitch.

Well, I have the movie available on my phone.  You tell me at what points in the movie the same person is shown, on video, at a drop box more than once and I'll look it up.

[Blinky]

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