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(12-19-2022, 10:35 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: (12-18-2022, 08:52 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (12-18-2022, 08:14 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: Itâ€s more the mollycoddling and support from our generation. Education was always important but more was expected of adults as far as contribution to their education and for them to become self sufficient once educated. Our generation did that. We over compensated for the absentee parenting of our parents. The latchkey generation when moms went to work. And it isnâ€t good for millennials and Gen Z or society as a whole.
Point is a good number of people on that campus would be better off finding a job or a trade than getting an "education" but they don't even realize it.
That I agree with.
3rdgen agrees with HT, YAY!
You guys buddies now?
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As well as the influx of sallie mae money, its also that state have cut back funding for colleges, thus forcing more of the cost onto the consumer.
So its a double whammy.
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12-19-2022, 11:16 AM
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(12-19-2022, 10:33 AM)Beastdog Wrote: (12-19-2022, 09:09 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: I see the perspective of mom not being home. Iâ€d never say that it isnâ€t a big deal. But, my wife and I both worked. I wouldnâ€t have it any other way. I paid for her last two years of college and a masters. I needed that ROI.
The difference is we werenâ€t absent in the evening/weekends. Our lives revolved around the kids. We had a rule about dinner being at the table with all 4 of us every night. We helped with schoolwork, watched TV with them, played games.
I was a coach for my sonâ€s youth league, when I wasnâ€t in season. I built sets at the community theater for my daughter my wife was team mom and theater mom.
Our son has done amazingly well. He even pays for me now when we golf, well sometimes. Our daughter is on the right path to a being successful.Â
Two income families arenâ€t a detriment. It just takes a commitment. Now, I know we were lucky that I was off at 2 everyday, when not in season, and both had weekends off. That was the key I believe.
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They'd probably be more successful if they'd have had a parent at home with them all the time. At least until they were at a full day of school age.
But you don't to convince us you made the right decision, son. Getting that ROI on your wife's education investment was important too, I'm sure. At least to you.
Why assume my wife would†ve stayed home? She makes twice what I do. She would†ve been the one working.
If anything my coaching career was the biggest issue. I stopped when my son hit HS. He was more important than 12k a year to be an assistant
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(12-18-2022, 07:46 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: Went to the Coyotes game and stopped at Buffalo Wild Wings next to ASU. They said 45 minute wait. Place was half empty. No employees. Smack dab next to a university campus with 55k students. RUFKM?Â
Our generation is to blame.
Are you gonna lose that team? I know there was some funky stuff going on there last year. Haven't paid much attention this year, I'm not in hockey mode yet. I'll be on that in a couple of weeks.
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12-19-2022, 04:06 PM
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(12-19-2022, 08:24 AM)dkeener67 Wrote: (12-19-2022, 02:48 AM)wydileie Wrote: In fairness, college expenses have far outpaced inflation. Working your way through debt free was significantly easier 30+ years ago, and has gotten progressively worse.
Total fees for three quarters at OSU in 1993, $8257
https://news.osu.edu/statistical-summary---081693/
Compared to today which is $26,451
https://undergrad.osu.edu/cost-and-aid/basic-costs
According to the US inflation calculator, that $8257 should be about $17,012 today.
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
Through four years of college you are looking at a delta of $37,756 (about $18,325 in 1993 dollars) that has to be earned above what would have been required in 1993. Thatâ€s over two years extra tuition at 1993 rates.
College tuition is pure robbery now. Â I paid $180 a quarter my first year for tuition. Yep, 540 bucks for the whole year. Â I lived at home. I hate what these universities have done to the cost of education.
I went to CMU my freshman year. It was close to $20K when you add in all the other BS. That was over a decade ago. I just looked it up, I see they are still being dishonest about costs. Apparently, you only take 12 credits, don't eat and you sleep on a bench or something.Â
I did say screw that. Transferred to the local university, lived at home, and graduated with no loans. Looking back I would have done things differently, but the choice to transfer was a good one.
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12-19-2022, 05:01 PM
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(12-19-2022, 03:45 PM)maize Wrote: (12-18-2022, 07:46 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: Went to the Coyotes game and stopped at Buffalo Wild Wings next to ASU. They said 45 minute wait. Place was half empty. No employees. Smack dab next to a university campus with 55k students. RUFKM?Â
Our generation is to blame.
Are you gonna lose that team? I know there was some funky stuff going on there last year. Haven't paid much attention this year, I'm not in hockey mode yet. I'll be on that in a couple of weeks. Supposedly there's a new arena in the works. The ASU arena is a nice little venue. Fun place to watch NHL. Real nice for a college team but about a third the size of what an NHL/NBA arena should be. They charge more for the tickets so they actually are probably not doing any worse considering how bad attendance was.Â
The new arena location looks near perfect. West side of Tempe with major highway access. Light rail is there too. Closer to the populations that can afford major league sports and entertainment districts in Tempe and south Scottsdale. But it'll be 2-3 years.
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