Pelosi plans to visit Taiwan, Chinese react with threats

[P1tchblack]

Odd that "China Joe" & the Pro China Dems are stirring the pot with China.

[Hightop77]

Odd that "China Joe" & the Pro China Dems are stirring the pot with China.

Yeah, makes about as much sense as what they did with Russia and the Ukraine which has been a total disaster for us.  These people are total fools.  They kept pushing Putin until he finally had to make a move.  If they keep pushing China, China will eventually do the same and we will come out once again appearing weak and stupid, a paper tiger.  It is amazing the damage they have done in a year and a half.

[TcSoup]

Odd that "China Joe" & the Pro China Dems are stirring the pot with China.

Yeah, makes about as much sense as what they did with Russia and the Ukraine which has been a total disaster for us.  These people are total fools.  They kept pushing Putin until he finally had to make a move.  If they keep pushing China, China will eventually do the same and we will come out once again appearing weak and stupid, a paper tiger.  It is amazing the damage they have done in a year and a half.

He didn't understand your response . Get ready for a stupid comeback how the Dem's aren't in China's pocket.

[wydileie]

Odd that "China Joe" & the Pro China Dems are stirring the pot with China.

Yeah, makes about as much sense as what they did with Russia and the Ukraine which has been a total disaster for us.  These people are total fools.  They kept pushing Putin until he finally had to make a move.  If they keep pushing China, China will eventually do the same and we will come out once again appearing weak and stupid, a paper tiger.  It is amazing the damage they have done in a year and a half.

Pretty sure Russia is the total disaster looking weak and stupid. 

If China makes a move, they will get demolished. Taiwan is way better defended than Ukraine.

[Hightop77]

Odd that "China Joe" & the Pro China Dems are stirring the pot with China.

Yeah, makes about as much sense as what they did with Russia and the Ukraine which has been a total disaster for us.  These people are total fools.  They kept pushing Putin until he finally had to make a move.  If they keep pushing China, China will eventually do the same and we will come out once again appearing weak and stupid, a paper tiger.  It is amazing the damage they have done in a year and a half.

Pretty sure Russia is the total disaster looking weak and stupid. 

If China makes a move, they will get demolished. Taiwan is way better defended than Ukraine.

Russia is taking the specific land they want at minimal cost and their economy is doing fine.  The United States handed nearly 100 billion dollars to a con artist and our economy is the one suffering.

[Syncro]

HT is 100% right about this

Itâ€s a tough pill for some of you to swallow

[wydileie]

Odd that "China Joe" & the Pro China Dems are stirring the pot with China.

Yeah, makes about as much sense as what they did with Russia and the Ukraine which has been a total disaster for us.  These people are total fools.  They kept pushing Putin until he finally had to make a move.  If they keep pushing China, China will eventually do the same and we will come out once again appearing weak and stupid, a paper tiger.  It is amazing the damage they have done in a year and a half.

Pretty sure Russia is the total disaster looking weak and stupid. 

If China makes a move, they will get demolished. Taiwan is way better defended than Ukraine.

Russia is taking the specific land they want at minimal cost and their economy is doing fine.  The United States handed nearly 100 billion dollars to a con artist and our economy is the one suffering.

Minimal cost and economy doing fine? Wow. You are so deep in the propaganda it's plain sad. Also, the US did not give $100B to Ukraine. Our military spending is about $7-8B, the rest is foreign aid given through already running charities and organizations like the Red Cross.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/02/russia-f...ience.html

[TcSoup]

Reuters
UPDATE 1-Russia says United States is directly involved in Ukraine war
Tue, August 2, 2022 at 8:19 AM
(Recasts)

LONDON, Aug 2 (Reuters) - Russia on Tuesday said that the United States, the world's top military power, was directly involved in the conflict in Ukraine because U.S. spies were approving and coordinating Ukrainian missile strikes on Russian forces.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine has triggered the most serious crisis in relations between Russia and the West since the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, when many people feared the world was on the brink of nuclear war.

Russia's defence ministry, headed by a close ally of President Vladimir Putin, said Vadym Skibitsky, Ukraine's deputy head of military intelligence, had admitted to the Telegraph newspaper that Washington coordinates HIMARS missile strikes.

"All this undeniably proves that Washington, contrary to White House and Pentagon claims, is directly involved in the conflict in Ukraine," the defence ministry said.

U.S. President Joe Biden has said he wants Ukraine to defeat Russia and has supplied billions of dollars of arms to Kyiv but U.S. officials do not want a direct confrontation between U.S. and Russian soldiers.

Russia said the Biden administration was responsible for missile attacks on civilian targets in areas controlled by Russian-backed forces in eastern Ukraine.

"It is the Biden administration that is directly responsible for all Kiev-approved rocket attacks on residential areas and civilian infrastructure in populated areas of Donbas and other regions, which have resulted in mass deaths of civilians," the defence ministry said.

Russia and the West frame the conflict in Ukraine very differently.

Putin calls it a "special military operation" aimed at preventing what he says is a Western attempt to use Ukraine to threaten Russia and at protecting Russian speakers from persecution from dangerous nationalists in Ukraine.

The 69-year-old Kremlin chief increasingly casts the conflict as an existential battle with the West whose outcome will reshape the global political order.

Kyiv and its Western backers say Putin's claims are without foundation and that there is no justification for waging an unprovoked war against a sovereign state whose borders Russia recognised.

Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu, who sometimes holidays with Putin in the Russian wilderness, said the operation in Ukraine was going to plan with Russian and Russian-backed forces pushing back Ukrainian forces in the eastern Donetsk region.

"After taking control of the territory of the Luhansk People's Republic, the Donetsk People's Republic is being liberated as planned," Shoigu told top generals.

He said the settlements of Hryhorivka, Berestove, Stryapivka, Pokrovske, Semyhirya and Novoluhanske had been taken recently, including the largest thermal power plant in Europe.

Neither Russia nor Ukraine discloses its losses.

U.S. intelligence estimates that some 15,000 Russians have been killed so far in Ukraine - equal to the total Soviet death toll during Moscow's occupation of Afghanistan in 1979-1989.

Ukrainian losses are probably a little less than that, U.S. intelligence believes, according to U.S. estimates. Neither Ukraine nor Russia has given detailed estimates of its own losses. (Reporting by Reuters; editing by Guy Faulconbridge and Nick Macfie)

[TcSoup]

Odd that "China Joe" & the Pro China Dems are stirring the pot with China.

Yeah, makes about as much sense as what they did with Russia and the Ukraine which has been a total disaster for us.  These people are total fools.  They kept pushing Putin until he finally had to make a move.  If they keep pushing China, China will eventually do the same and we will come out once again appearing weak and stupid, a paper tiger.  It is amazing the damage they have done in a year and a half.

Pretty sure Russia is the total disaster looking weak and stupid. 

If China makes a move, they will get demolished. Taiwan is way better defended than Ukraine.

Russia is taking the specific land they want at minimal cost and their economy is doing fine.  The United States handed nearly 100 billion dollars to a con artist and our economy is the one suffering.

Minimal cost and economy doing fine? Wow. You are so deep in the propaganda it's plain sad. Also, the US did not give $100B to Ukraine. Our military spending is about $7-8B, the rest is foreign aid given through already running charities and organizations like the Red Cross.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/02/russia-f...ience.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022...-size.html

[P1tchblack]

Taiwanese troops shoot down drone over island outpost

TAIPEI, Taiwan (AP) — Taiwanâ€s military said it shot down a drone hovering over one of its island outposts just off the Chinese coast on Thursday amid a spike in tensions with Beijing.

The Kinmen Defense Command said the drone entered restricted airspace over Shiyu island just after noon.

Flares and warning shots were fired but the drone maintained its position and was shot down, it said in a statement.

It described the drone as being for “civilian use,” but did not say if it had been recovered or what weapon was used to bring it down. The day before, Taiwan said it warned off drones hovering over three of the islands it occupies off the coast of the Chinese port city of Xiamen.

China claims Taiwan as its own territory, to be annexed by force if necessary. The sides split after a civil war in 1949 and have no official relations, with China cutting off even informal contacts following the election of independence-leaning Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen in 2016.

Tensions between the sides have been especially high since China fired missiles into the Taiwan Strait and mobilized ships and warplanes in the area after U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi visited Taiwan last month.

Despite a lack of formal diplomatic ties with Taiwan, the U.S. is its strongest political backer and source of defensive arms.


Tsaiâ€s administration has pushed for a strengthening of anti-drone defenses as part of a 12.9% increase in its Defense Ministryâ€s annual budget next year. That would boost defense spending by an additional 47.5 billion New Taiwan dollars ($1.6 billion), for a total of 415.1 billion NTD ($13.8 billion).

The U.S. is also reportedly preparing to approve a $1.1 billion defense package for Taiwan that would include anti-ship and air-to-air missiles to be used to repel a potential Chinese invasion attempt.

The U.S. described the Chinese drills last month as a massive overreaction and responded by sailing two guided missile cruisers through the Taiwan Strait, which China has declared to be its sovereign waters.


https://apnews.com/article/taiwan-techno...0ba98a70fd