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Jews win again in Germany over NAZI prison guard convicted for accessory to murders
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Former Nazi guard, 101, gets 5 years in jail on more than 3,500 counts of accessory to murder

The 101-year-old former Nazi concentration camp guard denied he ever worked for the camp

[Image: nazi.jpg?ve=1&tl=1] The accused Josef S. covers his face as he sits at the court room in Brandenburg, Germany, Tuesday, June 28, 2022.

A 101-year-old German was sentenced to five years in prison after being convicted on over 3,500 counts of accessory to murder over his role as a Nazi guard at the Sachsenhausen concentration camp.

"You willingly supported this mass extermination with your activity," Judge Udo Lechtermann told the man, according to the Associated Press. "You watched deported people being cruelly tortured and murdered there every day for three years."

The man, identified as Josef S. by German media, denied working at the camp throughout the trial, claiming that he worked as a farm laborer between the 1942 and 1945 years in question.

But the court concluded that the prosecution was able to prove the man enlisted as a member of the Nazi Partyâ€s paramilitary wing, using SS guard documents containing the man's name, birth date, and place of birth, and other documented evidence to place him as a guard at the camp.


"The court has come to the conclusion that, contrary to what you claim, you worked in the concentration camp as a guard for about three years," Lechtermann told the man, adding that his work there had helped the Nazis murder thousands.

The judge granted the prosecution's request for a five-year prison sentence, while the defense sought an acquittal and vowed to appeal the verdict.

The verdict comes as German legal precedent has evolved in recent years to charge people who played a role in assisting the Nazi genocide, often charging people such as guards and secretaries that worked for concentration camps with accessory to murder.



The most recent prosecution was celebrated by German Jewish organizations, who say bringing people involved with concentration camps to justice grants a sense of closure to the families of the victims.



"Even if the defendant will probably not serve the full prison sentence due to his advanced age, the verdict is to be welcomed," Josef Schuster, the head of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, told AP.

"The thousands of people who worked in the concentration camps kept the murder machinery running. They were part of the system, so they should take responsibility for it," he added. "It is bitter that the defendant has denied his activities at that time until the end and has shown no remorse."
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I'm sorry, the man is 101 years old. Time to move on and let go IMO, REGARDLESS of what he did or didn't do EIGHTY YEARS AGO. At this point, it's just revenge.
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Yeah we nuked 2 whole Cities in Japan. Nothing more murderous than that.
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Not sure why justice has an expiration date. I'm good with sending him to jail.
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(06-28-2022, 02:49 PM)Beastdog Wrote: I'm sorry, the man is 101 years old. Time to move on and let go IMO, REGARDLESS of what he did or didn't do EIGHTY YEARS AGO. At this point, it's just revenge.
Yep. He was SS . Stone the ***** in the streets. He got off way too easy.
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Iâ€m good with sending him to jail….what he participated in was heinous.

TC….interesting point/counter point there. It is said that those bombings saved hundreds of thousands of lives because the Japanese were not going to surrender without such an event. The civilian lives lost are horrible…..but the alternative…..

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See I've always been torn over low level soldiers getting in trouble over following orders, because had this guy nkt followed orders he would've died 80 years ago.

So I can see both sides of the argument.

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(06-28-2022, 03:04 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: Iâ€m good with sending him to jail….what he participated in was heinous.

TC….interesting point/counter point there. It is said that those bombings saved hundreds of thousands of lives because the Japanese were not going to surrender without such an event. The civilian lives lost are horrible…..but the alternative…..
After a long war that we fought on 3 continents, it would have been a very difficult job to muster up the capabilities to fight in Japan, so I understand why US chose to nuke them.

The sad part was that the Japanese didn't surrender after the 1st one, which forced our hand to drop the 2nd one.

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(06-28-2022, 03:32 PM)davebucknut Wrote:
(06-28-2022, 03:04 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: Iâ€m good with sending him to jail….what he participated in was heinous.

TC….interesting point/counter point there. It is said that those bombings saved hundreds of thousands of lives because the Japanese were not going to surrender without such an event. The civilian lives lost are horrible…..but the alternative…..
After a long war that we fought on 3 continents, it would have been a very difficult job to muster up the capabilities to fight in Japan, so I understand why US chose to nuke them.

The sad part was that the Japanese didn't surrender after the 1st one, which forced our hand to drop the 2nd one.

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We could have fought them, but it was a pretty straightforward cost/benefit analysis. Many more civilians and a lot more soldiers would have died in a full on invasion than just the civilian lives lost. It was a no-win situation, but they chose the option of lesser death and destruction in the long run.

On topic of the atomic bombs, there's a real interesting story about a guy who lived through both of them by both amazing [and terrible] luck.

https://www.history.com/news/the-man-who...omic-bombs
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The use of the atomic weapons is a great historical discussion. Looking at all the perspectives on why it was used and why it wasnâ€t necessary.

Ultimately, I think the bombs were used for an audience of one. Stalin.


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(06-28-2022, 03:29 PM)davebucknut Wrote: See I've always been torn over low level soldiers getting in trouble over following orders, because had this guy nkt followed orders he would've died 80 years ago.

So I can see both sides of the argument.

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Yup.  Easy to virtue signal from an arm chair 80 years after the fact.
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(06-28-2022, 03:55 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote:
(06-28-2022, 03:29 PM)davebucknut Wrote: See I've always been torn over low level soldiers getting in trouble over following orders, because had this guy nkt followed orders he would've died 80 years ago.

So I can see both sides of the argument.

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Yup.  Easy to virtue signal from an arm chair 80 years after the fact.
What virtue signaling is going on here

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(06-28-2022, 03:48 PM)Georgem80 Wrote: The use of the atomic weapons is a great historical discussion. Looking at all the perspectives on why it was used and why it wasnâ€t necessary. 

Ultimately, I think the bombs were used for an audience of one. Stalin.


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Interesting take. Is there any historical evidence of that?
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Why did it take this long to prosecute him?
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(06-28-2022, 05:27 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote:
(06-28-2022, 03:48 PM)Georgem80 Wrote: The use of the atomic weapons is a great historical discussion. Looking at all the perspectives on why it was used and why it wasnâ€t necessary. 

Ultimately, I think the bombs were used for an audience of one. Stalin.


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Interesting take. Is there any historical evidence of that?


Oh itâ€s a big stretch of a take. But, with Eastern Europe in the balance, and Truman hinting at Potsdam of the weapon, itâ€s a pretty good side goal. Of course the primary goal was surrender.


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