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Why scarlet/HT are right and 3rdgen/wydileie are wrong
(06-28-2022, 12:47 PM)davebucknut Wrote:
(06-28-2022, 11:04 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote:
(06-27-2022, 10:54 AM)wydileie Wrote:
(06-27-2022, 10:38 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: Democrats will generally stay in lockstep in terms of voting for or against bills.  Manchin and Sinema are rare exceptions to that. You would almost never see 10 Democrats cross the aisle to vote for something controversial as some Republicans just did with gun control legislation.  As for Pelosi she is just a Lefty politico who can be bullied to go very far left to appease the Marxists in her party.  That is what we are now seeing.

Manchin and Sinema are there on purpose to shield the rest of the party. If not them, it would be somebody else from conservative states. It's the same reason Pelosi can spout all the stuff she does, because she knows nothing will come of it. Pelosi has made hundreds of millions of dollars off of being a politician. She definitely doesn't want to tear it all down.

Have you noticed any time they want to get something accomplished, Democrats never do? They had a supermajority and the only thing they got accomplished was passing a distorted Republican healthcare plan.
With 2 years of power they essentially trashed the country's largest private industry. I really don't want to see them get any more time to make messes.
I hate to tell you this, but the house and senate can't do anything about what the Biden administration is doing on the energy front.

Sure they can craft better legislation or memory hole GND garbage,  but the EPA and other federal regulatory departments are still under communist rule.

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I don't hate to tell you this: COURT IS going to do something about EPA stranglehold on states and energy it appears:
One more blockbuster Supreme Court decision could still be coming even after Friday's abortion ruling

Supreme Court's abortion ruling rocked nation last week but West Virginia v. EPA could also be huge

Believe it or not, overturning Roe v. Wade may not be the Supreme Courtâ€s most dramatic decision this year. Instead, its ruling on West Virginia v. the Environmental Protection Agency could prove far more consequential. It could literally upend how our government works.

For the better.

West Virginia vs. the EPA asks whether important policies that impact the lives of all Americans should be made by unelected D.C. bureaucrats or by Congress. This SCOTUS could well decide that ruling by executive agency fiat is no longer acceptable.


The case involves the Clean Power Plan, which was adopted under President Barack Obama to fight climate change; the program was estimated to cost as much as $33 billion per year and would have completely reordered our nationâ€s power grid. The state of West Virginia, joined by two coal companies and others, sued the EPA, arguing the plan was an abuse of power.



By deciding in favor of West Virginia, the court could begin to rein in the vast powers of the alphabet agencies in D.C. that run our lives and return it to legislators whom we elect to create…legislation. Just as the Supreme Court ruled in Roe v. Wade that abortion laws are more appropriately left up to the peopleâ€s elected representatives, it may decide in West Virginia vs. EPA that Congress, and not federal agencies, should write our laws.

A decision that puts Congress in charge would stall environmental rules intended to replace fossil fuels with renewable energy. Legislators, back in the driverâ€s seat, would have to debate and go public with the consequences – and costs -- of regulations that are now adopted with little buy-in from the public.



To further their climate agenda, Democrats have been able to hide the full-in price tag of abandoning oil and gas as our main energy sources by creating tax subsidies for renewables. If consumers had to pay the real cost of wind and solar power, they might not be so enthusiastic about what President Joe Biden calls the great "transition."

But the case goes beyond environmental regulations.


A ruling in favor of West Virginia would reverse a decades-long trend in which Congress has handed off to federal agencies decisions our legislators refuse or are unable to make. The usurping of authority by D.C. bureaucracies began with the New Deal in the 1930s, when an ambitious President Franklin D. Roosevelt led the way by creating the TVA, the WPA and a total of 69 other offices and executive branch agencies to do his bidding. The process occasioned Democrat Al Smith to complain that he was "submerged in a bowl of alphabet soup."



Restricting the power of the alphabet soup authorities might require that our representatives and senators actually do their jobs, allowing less time for posturing and passing pointless dead-on-arrival bills. They might have to show up more than half the days in the year, for instance, which is the current norm.

It could, for sure, derail the ambitions of Joe Biden, who won no significant majority in Congress and appears incapable of "working across the aisle," though as Candidate Biden, he argued that ability was one of his strongest credentials.

Biden energy secretary tells Americans to 'drive on sunshine' instead of buying gasVideo
In addition to broad environmental rules that might come under new scrutiny, subsequent suits might challenge labor laws written by the NLRB, consumer protection edicts from the CFPB, and regulations put in place by the FDA, the CDC and the entire host of agencies that have immense – many would say excess – power over our lives.



But initially, the ruling would deep-six the Biden administrationâ€s ambition to kill off the coal industry, which is why West Virginia, our nationâ€s second biggest coal-mining state after Wyoming, brought the suit, along with Westmoreland Mining Holdings, North American Coal Corporation and others.

Like Obama, Biden wants to effectively shut down our fossil fuel industries that provide cheap, plentiful and reliable energy and that are the envy of the world. His "Build Back Better" plan incorporated $550 billion in programs aimed at curtailing emissions, including significant portions of Bernie Sanders†Green New Deal.


Obamaâ€s approach was to reinterpret the 1970 Clean Air Act to allow a nationwide cap-and-trade regimen, requiring power plants to offset emissions by investing in other low-carbon facilities. Congress did not alter the Clean Air Act language to permit the Clean Power Plan; the Obama White House simply grabbed it as a way to further their climate ambitions.



The courts decided the CPP constituted executive overreach and put the plan on hold. Subsequently, the Trump White House rescinded the program.

This back-and-forth highlights an obvious problem with government by alphabet soup. Successive administrations can easily change the rules by which such agencies operate. Policymaking ; therefore, is erratic and inconsistent. Especially in the power arena, where new facilities can take years to build and the impact on the general population can be profound, this is a costly and inefficient way to govern.

Political parties rise and fall, to be sure, and can also change the nationâ€s direction. But matters of consequence should be argued in the public forum and not buried under the almost 100,000 pages of new rules and regulations published during Obamaâ€s last year in office, for instance.


Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia once wrote in a decision, "We expect Congress to speak clearly if it wishes to assign to an agency decisions of vast ‘economic and political significance." That limiting guidance appears to have support from the conservative justices on the court today.

If the court launches a widespread curtailment of governing by executive agency, as it should, we will see more protests and renewed cries to "Pack the Court," including from members of Congress. After all, theyâ€ll have to get to work.
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(06-28-2022, 08:18 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote:
(06-27-2022, 08:24 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Pelosi represents SF.  She was never a moderate.  She just hid it when it was politically expedient.  
Whatâ€s your basis?  Iâ€d never heard of her till the late 2000â€s….given her deep connections in cali politics, and how those hook with national figures(based on the recent video posted here) sheâ€s a pol thru and thru, not an ideologue.
I'll post this again. 

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(06-28-2022, 01:46 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(06-28-2022, 01:30 PM)wydileie Wrote:
(06-28-2022, 12:21 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Why would she not stack the committee?  Because thatâ€s not how you run committees?  The GOP is supposed to be able to send its chosen reps in a bipartisan committee.  She stacked it like a Stalinist would
She asked the GOP to be on the committee, most refused.

McCarthy nominated both Jim Banks and Jim Jordan to the committee and Pelosi blocked both of them. That is when he withdrew all of his nominations since he smelled a rat.
He'll still find a way to blame Republicans.

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Looks like she was on dope going back to the 60s.  Holi pupils, Batman!
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(06-28-2022, 06:51 PM)maize Wrote:
(06-28-2022, 08:18 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote:
(06-27-2022, 08:24 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Pelosi represents SF.  She was never a moderate.  She just hid it when it was politically expedient.  
Whatâ€s your basis?  Iâ€d never heard of her till the late 2000â€s….given her deep connections in cali politics, and how those hook with national figures(based on the recent video posted here) sheâ€s a pol thru and thru, not an ideologue.
I'll post this again. 

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She had crazy eyes then too, why do all dens have crazy eyes?

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She was 20 in that pic. It's from JFK's inaugural ball in January 1961.
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(06-28-2022, 06:51 PM)maize Wrote:
(06-28-2022, 08:18 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote:
(06-27-2022, 08:24 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Pelosi represents SF.  She was never a moderate.  She just hid it when it was politically expedient.  
Whatâ€s your basis?  Iâ€d never heard of her till the late 2000â€s….given her deep connections in cali politics, and how those hook with national figures(based on the recent video posted here) sheâ€s a pol thru and thru, not an ideologue.
I'll post this again. 

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Shoot, JFK sounded like todayâ€s republicans

No longer GroupThink 'woke'.  but it was fun while it lasted.
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(06-28-2022, 06:54 PM)davebucknut Wrote:
(06-28-2022, 06:51 PM)maize Wrote:
(06-28-2022, 08:18 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote:
(06-27-2022, 08:24 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Pelosi represents SF.  She was never a moderate.  She just hid it when it was politically expedient.  
Whatâ€s your basis?  Iâ€d never heard of her till the late 2000â€s….given her deep connections in cali politics, and how those hook with national figures(based on the recent video posted here) sheâ€s a pol thru and thru, not an ideologue.
I'll post this again. 

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She had crazy eyes then too, why do all dens have crazy eyes?

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Brings up another point. How did the Kennedys accumulate their wealth? Goes back a generation or two.
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(06-28-2022, 07:05 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote:
(06-28-2022, 06:51 PM)maize Wrote:
(06-28-2022, 08:18 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote:
(06-27-2022, 08:24 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Pelosi represents SF.  She was never a moderate.  She just hid it when it was politically expedient.  
Whatâ€s your basis?  Iâ€d never heard of her till the late 2000â€s….given her deep connections in cali politics, and how those hook with national figures(based on the recent video posted here) sheâ€s a pol thru and thru, not an ideologue.
I'll post this again. 

[Image: 1mbhlefoklc21.jpg]
Shoot, JFK sounded like todayâ€s republicans

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(06-28-2022, 07:05 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote:
(06-28-2022, 06:51 PM)maize Wrote:
(06-28-2022, 08:18 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote:
(06-27-2022, 08:24 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Pelosi represents SF.  She was never a moderate.  She just hid it when it was politically expedient.  
Whatâ€s your basis?  Iâ€d never heard of her till the late 2000â€s….given her deep connections in cali politics, and how those hook with national figures(based on the recent video posted here) sheâ€s a pol thru and thru, not an ideologue.
I'll post this again. 

[Image: 1mbhlefoklc21.jpg]
Shoot, JFK sounded like todayâ€s republicans
I might have voted for him. Kind of hard to say. My parents were 4 and 3 when JFK was assassinated.
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(06-28-2022, 07:10 PM)dunefan Wrote:
(06-28-2022, 07:05 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote:
(06-28-2022, 06:51 PM)maize Wrote:
(06-28-2022, 08:18 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote:
(06-27-2022, 08:24 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Pelosi represents SF.  She was never a moderate.  She just hid it when it was politically expedient.  
Whatâ€s your basis?  Iâ€d never heard of her till the late 2000â€s….given her deep connections in cali politics, and how those hook with national figures(based on the recent video posted here) sheâ€s a pol thru and thru, not an ideologue.
I'll post this again. 

[Image: 1mbhlefoklc21.jpg] Big Grin
Shoot, JFK sounded like todayâ€s republicans

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No longer GroupThink 'woke'.  but it was fun while it lasted.
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Once was enough[Image: giphy.gif]
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(06-28-2022, 07:05 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote:
(06-28-2022, 06:51 PM)maize Wrote:
(06-28-2022, 08:18 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote:
(06-27-2022, 08:24 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Pelosi represents SF.  She was never a moderate.  She just hid it when it was politically expedient.  
Whatâ€s your basis?  Iâ€d never heard of her till the late 2000â€s….given her deep connections in cali politics, and how those hook with national figures(based on the recent video posted here) sheâ€s a pol thru and thru, not an ideologue.
I'll post this again. 

[Image: 1mbhlefoklc21.jpg]
Shoot, JFK sounded like todayâ€s republicans
That just blows my mind that you might have done that.
"Don't, I say don't bother me dog, can't ya see I'm thinkin'?"   Foghorn Leghorn
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