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(06-16-2022, 07:21 PM)K9Buck Wrote: (06-16-2022, 05:32 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (06-16-2022, 05:28 PM)K9Buck Wrote: Many Jews did indeed oppose Jesus. Of course, many others believed in him.
I believe that there are many non-Christians that live Godly lives. While I understand that they WILL be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment, I also believe that Jesus is just and merciful and that many will receive salvation, including many Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, etc. For that matter, many so-called "Christians" may very well end up at that judgment and find themselves being condemned, based on Matthew 7:21-23.
Jesus referred to the religious leaders of Israel as a "brood of vipers", but no one else. Of course, he did refer to some unbelievers as "pigs" in Matthew 7:6.
A few Jews have converted. That isn't really the issue. Do you not realize that Jews more than any other group hate Christianity, Christ, and Christians?
No, I don't "realize" that. You think Jews have more hatred for Christians than Muslims?
Absolutely 100%. Who do you think creates the anti-Christian narratives in the media, in academia, and in Hollywood and now even in the government? Who do you think filed the lawsuits that removed Christianity from our culture?
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(06-16-2022, 07:21 PM)K9Buck Wrote: (06-16-2022, 05:32 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (06-16-2022, 05:28 PM)K9Buck Wrote: Many Jews did indeed oppose Jesus. Of course, many others believed in him.
I believe that there are many non-Christians that live Godly lives. While I understand that they WILL be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment, I also believe that Jesus is just and merciful and that many will receive salvation, including many Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, etc. For that matter, many so-called "Christians" may very well end up at that judgment and find themselves being condemned, based on Matthew 7:21-23.
Jesus referred to the religious leaders of Israel as a "brood of vipers", but no one else. Of course, he did refer to some unbelievers as "pigs" in Matthew 7:6.
A few Jews have converted. That isn't really the issue. Do you not realize that Jews more than any other group hate Christianity, Christ, and Christians?
No, I don't "realize" that. You think Jews have more hatred for Christians than Muslims? Keep in mind who you're talking to here. Few people want to demonize Jews more.
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(06-16-2022, 11:42 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (06-16-2022, 07:21 PM)K9Buck Wrote: (06-16-2022, 05:32 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (06-16-2022, 05:28 PM)K9Buck Wrote: Many Jews did indeed oppose Jesus. Of course, many others believed in him.
I believe that there are many non-Christians that live Godly lives. While I understand that they WILL be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment, I also believe that Jesus is just and merciful and that many will receive salvation, including many Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, etc. For that matter, many so-called "Christians" may very well end up at that judgment and find themselves being condemned, based on Matthew 7:21-23.
Jesus referred to the religious leaders of Israel as a "brood of vipers", but no one else. Of course, he did refer to some unbelievers as "pigs" in Matthew 7:6.
A few Jews have converted. That isn't really the issue. Do you not realize that Jews more than any other group hate Christianity, Christ, and Christians?
No, I don't "realize" that. You think Jews have more hatred for Christians than Muslims? Keep in mind who you're talking to here. Few people want to demonize Jews more.
I don't want to demonize anyone. I want people and groups to be accountable for what they do.
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(06-17-2022, 08:42 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (06-16-2022, 11:42 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (06-16-2022, 07:21 PM)K9Buck Wrote: (06-16-2022, 05:32 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (06-16-2022, 05:28 PM)K9Buck Wrote: Many Jews did indeed oppose Jesus. Of course, many others believed in him.
I believe that there are many non-Christians that live Godly lives. While I understand that they WILL be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment, I also believe that Jesus is just and merciful and that many will receive salvation, including many Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, etc. For that matter, many so-called "Christians" may very well end up at that judgment and find themselves being condemned, based on Matthew 7:21-23.
Jesus referred to the religious leaders of Israel as a "brood of vipers", but no one else. Of course, he did refer to some unbelievers as "pigs" in Matthew 7:6.
A few Jews have converted. That isn't really the issue. Do you not realize that Jews more than any other group hate Christianity, Christ, and Christians?
No, I don't "realize" that. You think Jews have more hatred for Christians than Muslims? Keep in mind who you're talking to here. Few people want to demonize Jews more.
I don't want to demonize anyone. I want people and groups to be accountable for what they do.
And yet you can sit here and say, with a straight face, that "Absolutely 100%" JEWS hate Christians more than MUSLIMS.
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(06-17-2022, 09:20 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (06-17-2022, 08:42 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (06-16-2022, 11:42 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (06-16-2022, 07:21 PM)K9Buck Wrote: (06-16-2022, 05:32 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: A few Jews have converted. That isn't really the issue. Do you not realize that Jews more than any other group hate Christianity, Christ, and Christians?
No, I don't "realize" that. You think Jews have more hatred for Christians than Muslims? Keep in mind who you're talking to here. Few people want to demonize Jews more.
I don't want to demonize anyone. I want people and groups to be accountable for what they do.
And yet you can sit here and say, with a straight face, that "Absolutely 100%" JEWS hate Christians more than MUSLIMS.
I believe that to be true and I did not say 100% of Jews hate Christians if that is what you are claiming. It isn't Muslims who have worked from within for 60 years to destroy America's Christian culture.
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(06-17-2022, 09:38 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (06-17-2022, 09:20 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (06-17-2022, 08:42 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (06-16-2022, 11:42 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (06-16-2022, 07:21 PM)K9Buck Wrote: No, I don't "realize" that. You think Jews have more hatred for Christians than Muslims? Keep in mind who you're talking to here. Few people want to demonize Jews more.
I don't want to demonize anyone. I want people and groups to be accountable for what they do.
And yet you can sit here and say, with a straight face, that "Absolutely 100%" JEWS hate Christians more than MUSLIMS.
I believe that to be true and I did not say 100% of Jews hate Christians if that is what you are claiming. It isn't Muslims who have worked from within for 60 years to destroy America's Christian culture. How specifically do you believe Jews have tried to Christian culture?
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(06-17-2022, 09:56 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (06-17-2022, 09:38 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (06-17-2022, 09:20 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (06-17-2022, 08:42 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (06-16-2022, 11:42 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: Keep in mind who you're talking to here. Few people want to demonize Jews more.
I don't want to demonize anyone. I want people and groups to be accountable for what they do.
And yet you can sit here and say, with a straight face, that "Absolutely 100%" JEWS hate Christians more than MUSLIMS.
I believe that to be true and I did not say 100% of Jews hate Christians if that is what you are claiming. It isn't Muslims who have worked from within for 60 years to destroy America's Christian culture. How specifically do you believe Jews have tried to Christian culture?
Through the courts, through the media, through Hollywood, and through academia. Do you think it was just some accident that nearly every show or movie coming out of Hollywood the last 60 years portrayed Christians and Christianity negatively with dishonest caricatures?
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(06-17-2022, 10:15 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (06-17-2022, 09:56 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (06-17-2022, 09:38 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (06-17-2022, 09:20 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (06-17-2022, 08:42 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: I don't want to demonize anyone. I want people and groups to be accountable for what they do.
And yet you can sit here and say, with a straight face, that "Absolutely 100%" JEWS hate Christians more than MUSLIMS.
I believe that to be true and I did not say 100% of Jews hate Christians if that is what you are claiming. It isn't Muslims who have worked from within for 60 years to destroy America's Christian culture. How specifically do you believe Jews have tried to Christian culture?
Through the courts, through the media, through Hollywood, and through academia. Do you think it was just some accident that nearly every show or movie coming out of Hollywood the last 60 years portrayed Christians and Christianity negatively with dishonest caricatures? I can't think of even one movie I've seen that even has Christianity as primary topic, much less think of one where I recall thinking it was portrayed negatively. Give me some examples.
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(06-17-2022, 10:41 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (06-17-2022, 10:15 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (06-17-2022, 09:56 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (06-17-2022, 09:38 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (06-17-2022, 09:20 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: And yet you can sit here and say, with a straight face, that "Absolutely 100%" JEWS hate Christians more than MUSLIMS.
I believe that to be true and I did not say 100% of Jews hate Christians if that is what you are claiming. It isn't Muslims who have worked from within for 60 years to destroy America's Christian culture. How specifically do you believe Jews have tried to Christian culture?
Through the courts, through the media, through Hollywood, and through academia. Do you think it was just some accident that nearly every show or movie coming out of Hollywood the last 60 years portrayed Christians and Christianity negatively with dishonest caricatures? I can't think of even one movie I've seen that even has Christianity as primary topic, much less think of one where I recall thinking it was portrayed negatively. Give me some examples.
That isn't what I said.
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(06-17-2022, 11:26 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (06-17-2022, 10:41 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (06-17-2022, 10:15 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (06-17-2022, 09:56 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (06-17-2022, 09:38 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: I believe that to be true and I did not say 100% of Jews hate Christians if that is what you are claiming. It isn't Muslims who have worked from within for 60 years to destroy America's Christian culture. How specifically do you believe Jews have tried to Christian culture?
Through the courts, through the media, through Hollywood, and through academia. Do you think it was just some accident that nearly every show or movie coming out of Hollywood the last 60 years portrayed Christians and Christianity negatively with dishonest caricatures? I can't think of even one movie I've seen that even has Christianity as primary topic, much less think of one where I recall thinking it was portrayed negatively. Give me some examples.
That isn't what I said.
Ok, I'm obviously not understanding. Can you give me some examples of movies/shows where it is happening?
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(06-17-2022, 11:56 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (06-17-2022, 11:26 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (06-17-2022, 10:41 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (06-17-2022, 10:15 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (06-17-2022, 09:56 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: How specifically do you believe Jews have tried to Christian culture?
Through the courts, through the media, through Hollywood, and through academia. Do you think it was just some accident that nearly every show or movie coming out of Hollywood the last 60 years portrayed Christians and Christianity negatively with dishonest caricatures? I can't think of even one movie I've seen that even has Christianity as primary topic, much less think of one where I recall thinking it was portrayed negatively. Give me some examples.
That isn't what I said.
Ok, I'm obviously not understanding. Can you give me some examples of movies/shows where it is happening?
No. If you have watched movies and even television over the last 50 years and don't see how white Christians are mocked and caricatured as stupid, intolerant, narrow minded, etc. then you are not worth another second of my time.
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