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K9BuckSo how could we secure a school from a would-be mass-shooter?
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School Shootings and Student Mental Health - American ...https://www.counseling.org › default-source › vistas
https://www.counseling.org/docs/default-...l-health.p

Direct link to School shootings Shows overwhelming Majority were Bullied and had show Suicidal tendencies r had already attempted suicide.
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(06-07-2022, 03:53 PM)TcSoup Wrote: Not when you are a Teenager . Most HS Shooters are the loner types , Not the Bully. Bullies are ***** once someone punches them back they fold like a house of cards.

They really aren't actually.

The Columbine guys and the Parkland shooter were school bullies. Not sure we know much about the Uvalde kid yet. Lamza was kind of an outlier because I believe he was legit mentally unstable.
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(06-07-2022, 03:58 PM)TcSoup Wrote: School Shootings and Student Mental Health - American ...https://www.counseling.org › default-source › vistas
https://www.counseling.org/docs/default-...l-health.p

Direct link to School shootings Shows overwhelming Majority were Bullied and had show Suicidal tendencies r had already attempted suicide.
I think we are speaking past each other, here. You are talking about "school shootings" in general, a vast majority of which are people with grudges trying to target specific people. I'm talking about the indiscriminate ones. 

That paper is not scientific, either, its a sociology study. They try to tie depression and bullying together which has not been done, scientifically.
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(06-07-2022, 04:06 PM)wydileie Wrote:
(06-07-2022, 03:53 PM)TcSoup Wrote: Not when you are a Teenager . Most HS Shooters are the loner types , Not the Bully. Bullies are ***** once someone punches them back they fold like a house of cards.

They really aren't actually.

The Columbine guys and the Parkland shooter were school bullies. Not sure we know much about the Uvalde kid yet. Lamza was kind of an outlier because I believe he was legit mentally unstable.


The Uvalde punk was also a bully, according to a guy that said he was semi-friends with him.
Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State...



- Benito Mussolini
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(06-07-2022, 11:47 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: One of the foremost constitutional theorists of the founding generation, John Adams, observed, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

I say that to say that the original rights extended are a very soft underbelly if the country is not comprised of a “moral and religious people”……. Which means the only way to control bad behavior is a process of government control/loss of rights.
This.   
And We the People are no longer this.
Quote:Hard times make hard men.
Hard men make easy times. 
Easy times make soft men. 
Soft men make hard times.
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(06-07-2022, 03:58 PM)TcSoup Wrote: School Shootings and Student Mental Health - American ...https://www.counseling.org › default-source › vistas
https://www.counseling.org/docs/default-...l-health.p

Direct link to School shootings Shows overwhelming Majority were Bullied and had show Suicidal tendencies r had already attempted suicide.
Wouldnâ€t this make the case for red flag laws? 

What is terrible about restricting purchases? Guarantee the gun shop owners that just sold to legal psychos wish the law was stricter.  I am not saying wait until brains are fully developed, but waiting for some more impulse control to develop and using 21 seems reasonable. Under that, restrictions, training. 
I am not sure the investment in hardening schools further would be worth it. Making them like court houses would not help if Iâ€m back door is left unlocked. My daughterâ€s school you have to buzz in. I guarantee I could go to gym entrance a be let in. 

I think option 1 is less costly, and will save more lives that trying to make schools impenetrable. 

These are tragedies and awful, but all of this over reaction is theater.  My theater… throw a little attention on it. Minor gun laws, then start a fobs for schools so no school needs to prop doors open.
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(06-07-2022, 09:23 PM)Erhino Wrote:
(06-07-2022, 03:58 PM)TcSoup Wrote: School Shootings and Student Mental Health - American ...https://www.counseling.org › default-source › vistas
https://www.counseling.org/docs/default-...l-health.p

Direct link to School shootings Shows overwhelming Majority were Bullied and had show Suicidal tendencies r had already attempted suicide.
Wouldnâ€t this make the case for red flag laws? 

What is terrible about restricting purchases? Guarantee the gun shop owners that just sold to legal psychos wish the law was stricter.  I am not saying wait until brains are fully developed, but waiting for some more impulse control to develop and using 21 seems reasonable. Under that, restrictions, training. 
I am not sure the investment in hardening schools further would be worth it. Making them like court houses would not help if Iâ€m back door is left unlocked. My daughterâ€s school you have to buzz in. I guarantee I could go to gym entrance a be let in. 

I think option 1 is less costly, and will save more lives that trying to make schools impenetrable. 

These are tragedies and awful, but all of this over reaction is theater.  My theater… throw a little attention on it. Minor gun laws, then start a fobs for schools so no school needs to prop doors open.
I bought a rifle on my 18th birthday, I can also carry one if I were enlisted, I guess they shouldn't serve until there 21?

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I have owned a rifle or shotgun since the age of 15. My dad gave me a brand new Mossberg .410 bolt action shotgun for Christmas. Currently just own rifle. my guns never killed anyone.
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(06-07-2022, 10:11 PM)Bonebuck Wrote: I have owned a rifle or shotgun since the age of 15. My dad gave me a brand new Mossberg .410 bolt action shotgun for Christmas. Currently just own rifle. my guns never killed anyone.
My dad bought be a break action .410 single shot rifle when I was like 5 years old and ne and my bros would shoot them.

One had a 16 Guage and the other a 20 Guage.

Our too have never left the home and hurt anyone.


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As to last three posts, I wasnâ€t clear, but I have seen no change in recommendations for single shot firearms. Referring to semi auto weapons.

None of you examples fit. I grew up with guns as well. So lets go with the extreme stated, gifted a gun at 5 years old. That is insanely irresponsible, but I suspect your parents managed the gun so it wasnâ€t in a 5 year olds possession to responsibly store and they restricted access to ammo. If I were making inferences like some made, you would be in favor of lowering age to purchase to 5 year olds? Of course not.

Also not talk about using, purchasing. This wouldnâ€t stop a Sandy Hook where parent kept unsecured guns, and psycho kid had access. It would have stopped two recent tragedies though. Farther removed from HS, would that grudge still exist in three years? I also mention restrictions and training for under 21. LEOs and Military get training so would qualify to purchase.
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IMO, either you are an adult at 18, or you aren't. We have to choose one. Either you can buy guns/alky/cigs and allow people to vote at 18, or we allow those things at 21. It can't be both. Not sure why people are responsible and wise enough to vote at 18, but can't drink a beer like anywhere else in the world.
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(06-09-2022, 09:22 AM)wydileie Wrote: IMO, either you are an adult at 18, or you aren't. We have to choose one. Either you can buy guns/alky/cigs and allow people to vote at 18, or we allow those things at 21. It can't be both. Not sure why people are responsible and wise enough to vote at 18, but can't drink a beer like anywhere else in the world.
If we used the let's definition of adult wed be able to do everything a 40 YO can at 16.

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