AND...not being critical here of Ala and if he votes or doesn't vote.  No disrespect intended.  I support your right to decide.

Man, Alabuck ducks and dodges more questions than P1tch.

(04-27-2020, 05:20 PM)zigbee Wrote: AND...not being critical here of Ala and if he votes or doesn't vote.  No disrespect intended.  I support your right to decide.

Yup. It's his business.

(04-27-2020, 05:20 PM)zigbee Wrote: AND...not being critical here of Ala and if he votes or doesn't vote.  No disrespect intended.  I support your right to decide.

No disrespect at all.  It just strikes me that this election is critically important for the future of the US.  No wall.  Higher taxes.  Obamacare reborn.  foreign countries riding roughshod over US.  Pallets of cash for the terrorists.  Economy run into the ground.  I think you must look past moral objections.  Who in fact is perfect?  Every damn one of these politicians has skeletons in their closet.  Which one will advance your ideas the most?  Not voting just isn't an option, in my opinion.

(04-27-2020, 05:17 PM)lrrps21 Wrote:

(04-27-2020, 05:14 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:

(04-27-2020, 05:01 PM)dunefan Wrote:

(04-27-2020, 04:32 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote:

(04-27-2020, 04:24 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: If we had more dedicated Christians like Alabuck, Joe Biden or whoever it is would coast in a landslide. God's will I guess.  

Not able to link the pithy facepalm meme, so Iâ€ll just say that for some people their walk with Christ influences all areas of their life.....not their politics

Why bring Christ into this discussion at all?  You either think Trump will move your agenda along or you think qpj will move your agenda.  Vote accordingly. Leave religion out of it.  This is politics.  If you find this impossible, do you think the socialists, who have tried ad nauseam for three years to create a coup and remove a sitting President, deserve any say in government for the next four years?  They don't give a damn about your religion.  In fact, they probably hate you for being a believer in Christ.  Not voting is not the answer.  Voting third party is just as much of a waste.  Trump will fill the court vacancies appropriately.  Trump will complete the wall.  Trump will bring the rest of the world into line for the US benefit.  He will bring the economy back to better than it was.  You know qpj and the socialists will do exactly the opposite.  Tell me I'm wrong and why.

What amazes me is someone so morally confused that he thinks people like John McCain and the Bush clan are morally superior to Trump.

Yup. He has no idea about those folks. It is what it is. I have no issue with Ala not voting for Trump. He should just come out and say I don't like Trump. It's over. To try and paint Trump as some immoral person is the wrong road here.

That's the point.  He pretends he isn't really a never Trumper but that is exactly what he is and for reasons that are not consistent and rational.

(04-27-2020, 05:43 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:

(04-27-2020, 05:17 PM)lrrps21 Wrote:

(04-27-2020, 05:14 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:

(04-27-2020, 05:01 PM)dunefan Wrote:

(04-27-2020, 04:32 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: Not able to link the pithy facepalm meme, so Iâ€ll just say that for some people their walk with Christ influences all areas of their life.....not their politics

Why bring Christ into this discussion at all?  You either think Trump will move your agenda along or you think qpj will move your agenda.  Vote accordingly. Leave religion out of it.  This is politics.  If you find this impossible, do you think the socialists, who have tried ad nauseam for three years to create a coup and remove a sitting President, deserve any say in government for the next four years?  They don't give a damn about your religion.  In fact, they probably hate you for being a believer in Christ.  Not voting is not the answer.  Voting third party is just as much of a waste.  Trump will fill the court vacancies appropriately.  Trump will complete the wall.  Trump will bring the rest of the world into line for the US benefit.  He will bring the economy back to better than it was.  You know qpj and the socialists will do exactly the opposite.  Tell me I'm wrong and why.

What amazes me is someone so morally confused that he thinks people like John McCain and the Bush clan are morally superior to Trump.

Yup. He has no idea about those folks. It is what it is. I have no issue with Ala not voting for Trump. He should just come out and say I don't like Trump. It's over. To try and paint Trump as some immoral person is the wrong road here.

That's the point.  He pretends he isn't really a never Trumper but that is exactly what he is and for reasons that are not consistent and rational.

He didn't vote for Trump out of principle. Ok. He'll deny it, but the rest stems from Sessions being axed by Trump. That's where the never Trumper part comes in. It is what it is.

Here's the deal.
Paul was a murderer. He couldn't run for President under Ala's eyes.
David was a murderer. He couldn't run for President under Ala's eyes.
Samson slept with prostutes. He couldn't run for President under Ala's eyes.
Peter was a coward and a liar. He couldn't run for President under Ala's eyes.
I can name many more from scripture.

I respect Franklin Graham. He shows his support for Trump more than anyone.

According to Ala, Jesus Christ himself is the only person he would vote for in an election. Watching to much CNN and/or other news agencies brings about this type of view. They make voting for Trump feel dirty and sinful.
To me not voting for Trump if you are a Christian because of his past is bordering on sinning yourself because of what will happen if he isn't elected. God help us if Trump loses this coming election and God forgive us as a nation if we let one of the Greatest President's of all time lose this coming election. Trump will deal with the abortion issue his 2nd term. He'll wait until then because it will take a 2nd term President to do it. Oh wait! He's immoral.

The thing that I like most about Trump is that he won in spite of being despised by the stereotypical members of both political parties.

That can only be accomplished via divine intervention, in my opinion.

I think the only way he loses is if this election is jury rigged and no one can vote in person where you have election officials who are monitoring the votes.  Not have rallies and the convention this summer?   Incredible.

(04-27-2020, 05:14 PM)JHightop77 Wrote:

(04-27-2020, 05:01 PM)dunefan Wrote:

(04-27-2020, 04:32 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote:

(04-27-2020, 04:24 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:

(04-27-2020, 04:18 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: I can follow what you are saying......at the same time, Iâ€m not personally going to violate my conscience. The Bible is clear about that. So, if Trump loses Alabama by one vote, you can blame me.

If we had more dedicated Christians like Alabuck, Joe Biden or whoever it is would coast in a landslide. God's will I guess.  

Not able to link the pithy facepalm meme, so Iâ€ll just say that for some people their walk with Christ influences all areas of their life.....not their politics

Why bring Christ into this discussion at all?  You either think Trump will move your agenda along or you think qpj will move your agenda.  Vote accordingly. Leave religion out of it.  This is politics.  If you find this impossible, do you think the socialists, who have tried ad nauseam for three years to create a coup and remove a sitting President, deserve any say in government for the next four years?  They don't give a damn about your religion.  In fact, they probably hate you for being a believer in Christ.  Not voting is not the answer.  Voting third party is just as much of a waste.  Trump will fill the court vacancies appropriately.  Trump will complete the wall.  Trump will bring the rest of the world into line for the US benefit.  He will bring the economy back to better than it was.  You know qpj and the socialists will do exactly the opposite.  Tell me I'm wrong and why.

What amazes me is someone so morally confused that he thinks people like John McCain and the Bush clan are morally superior to Trump.

Who are you speaking of?  Cause Iâ€ve never said that.

(04-27-2020, 06:07 PM)unc4corners Wrote: Here's the deal.
Paul was a murderer.  He couldn't run for President under Ala's eyes.
David was a murderer.  He couldn't run for President under Ala's eyes.
Samson slept with prostutes.  He couldn't run for President under Ala's eyes.
Peter was a coward and a liar.  He couldn't run for President under Ala's eyes.
I can name many more from scripture.

I respect Franklin Graham.  He shows his support for Trump more than anyone. 

According to Ala, Jesus Christ himself is the only person he would vote for in an election.  Watching to much CNN and/or other news agencies brings about this type of view.  They make voting for Trump feel dirty and sinful.
To me not voting for Trump if you are a Christian because of his past is bordering on sinning yourself because of what will happen if he isn't elected.  God help us if Trump loses this coming election and God forgive us as a nation if we let one of the Greatest President's of all time lose this coming election.  Trump will deal with the abortion issue his 2nd term.  He'll wait until then because it will take a 2nd term President to do it.  Oh wait!  He's immoral.

How is not voting for trump bordering on sin?  Iâ€m curious which sin that is....

as far as the other burfle....thatâ€s all that is.  Iâ€ve never said that. I have friends who I have deep confidence in that voted for Trump. Iâ€ve never criticized them for doing so. My son and wife voted for him. Iâ€ve never criticized them. Iâ€ve never criticized anyone on this board for voting for him. Iâ€ve asked questions....which oddly offends people.  Iâ€ve said this is a matter of personal conscience.  Which even more oddly offends people. 
It is fascinating to see the visceral reaction to that

(04-27-2020, 07:07 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote:

(04-27-2020, 05:14 PM)JHightop77 Wrote:

(04-27-2020, 05:01 PM)dunefan Wrote:

(04-27-2020, 04:32 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote:

(04-27-2020, 04:24 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: If we had more dedicated Christians like Alabuck, Joe Biden or whoever it is would coast in a landslide. God's will I guess.  

Not able to link the pithy facepalm meme, so Iâ€ll just say that for some people their walk with Christ influences all areas of their life.....not their politics

Why bring Christ into this discussion at all?  You either think Trump will move your agenda along or you think qpj will move your agenda.  Vote accordingly. Leave religion out of it.  This is politics.  If you find this impossible, do you think the socialists, who have tried ad nauseam for three years to create a coup and remove a sitting President, deserve any say in government for the next four years?  They don't give a damn about your religion.  In fact, they probably hate you for being a believer in Christ.  Not voting is not the answer.  Voting third party is just as much of a waste.  Trump will fill the court vacancies appropriately.  Trump will complete the wall.  Trump will bring the rest of the world into line for the US benefit.  He will bring the economy back to better than it was.  You know qpj and the socialists will do exactly the opposite.  Tell me I'm wrong and why.

What amazes me is someone so morally confused that he thinks people like John McCain and the Bush clan are morally superior to Trump.

Who are you speaking of?  Cause Iâ€ve never said that.

Did you vote for the Bush boys and McCain?

He won't answer

(04-27-2020, 05:56 PM)lrrps21 Wrote:

(04-27-2020, 05:43 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:

(04-27-2020, 05:17 PM)lrrps21 Wrote:

(04-27-2020, 05:14 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:

(04-27-2020, 05:01 PM)dunefan Wrote: Why bring Christ into this discussion at all?  You either think Trump will move your agenda along or you think qpj will move your agenda.  Vote accordingly. Leave religion out of it.  This is politics.  If you find this impossible, do you think the socialists, who have tried ad nauseam for three years to create a coup and remove a sitting President, deserve any say in government for the next four years?  They don't give a damn about your religion.  In fact, they probably hate you for being a believer in Christ.  Not voting is not the answer.  Voting third party is just as much of a waste.  Trump will fill the court vacancies appropriately.  Trump will complete the wall.  Trump will bring the rest of the world into line for the US benefit.  He will bring the economy back to better than it was.  You know qpj and the socialists will do exactly the opposite.  Tell me I'm wrong and why.

What amazes me is someone so morally confused that he thinks people like John McCain and the Bush clan are morally superior to Trump.

Yup. He has no idea about those folks. It is what it is. I have no issue with Ala not voting for Trump. He should just come out and say I don't like Trump. It's over. To try and paint Trump as some immoral person is the wrong road here.

That's the point.  He pretends he isn't really a never Trumper but that is exactly what he is and for reasons that are not consistent and rational.

He didn't vote for Trump out of principle. Ok. He'll deny it, but the rest stems from Sessions being axed by Trump. That's where the never Trumper part comes in. It is what it is.

If this were true....one would think that I would have voted for sessions in the Alabama primaries...oh surprise!  I didnâ€t.   But again for yâ€all, anything less than 110% FOR Trump equals never Trump. That mindset is weak, unthinking and juvenile.

(04-27-2020, 07:13 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:

(04-27-2020, 07:07 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote:

(04-27-2020, 05:14 PM)JHightop77 Wrote:

(04-27-2020, 05:01 PM)dunefan Wrote:

(04-27-2020, 04:32 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: Not able to link the pithy facepalm meme, so Iâ€ll just say that for some people their walk with Christ influences all areas of their life.....not their politics

Why bring Christ into this discussion at all?  You either think Trump will move your agenda along or you think qpj will move your agenda.  Vote accordingly. Leave religion out of it.  This is politics.  If you find this impossible, do you think the socialists, who have tried ad nauseam for three years to create a coup and remove a sitting President, deserve any say in government for the next four years?  They don't give a damn about your religion.  In fact, they probably hate you for being a believer in Christ.  Not voting is not the answer.  Voting third party is just as much of a waste.  Trump will fill the court vacancies appropriately.  Trump will complete the wall.  Trump will bring the rest of the world into line for the US benefit.  He will bring the economy back to better than it was.  You know qpj and the socialists will do exactly the opposite.  Tell me I'm wrong and why.

What amazes me is someone so morally confused that he thinks people like John McCain and the Bush clan are morally superior to Trump.

Who are you speaking of?  Cause Iâ€ve never said that.

Did you vote for the Bush boys and McCain?

I did vote for GWB. I didnâ€t vote for John McCain. He nauseated me as a politician