(02-28-2019, 01:59 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:

(02-28-2019, 01:50 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:

(02-28-2019, 01:39 PM)cincydawg Wrote:

(02-27-2019, 08:49 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:

(02-27-2019, 08:36 AM)cincydawg Wrote: My ASSERTION was a PERSONAL EXPERIENCE as a JUROR.  Try reading what I stated again, and you are wrong anyway.

you took a personal experience and turn that into a declaration that something is "usually" the case.

Prior conviction are rarely admissible, rarely being when they can be used to impeach the testimony of the accused.

So, my statement is spot on correct.

as I said previously, in a trial where a citizen is the defendent, yes, prior convictions aren't often admissable. However, criminal history is admissable when a witness is called to testify.  A cop would be a witness and their prior convictions should 100% known and used to determine credibility.

Unless those involve drugs and prostitution since those are victimless consensual situations that are not anyone else's business. Right?

Correct.  I'm talking about actual crimes where there's a victim, not imaginary ones.

(02-27-2019, 04:51 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote:

(02-27-2019, 01:05 PM)lrrps21 Wrote:

(02-27-2019, 12:51 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: I would think it would be appropriate to release the list of current officers, names redacted, and the crimes.  A transparent government should demand that.

Water and Oil...

I don't think so.  I don't think the names are relevant to showing whether the government is being responsible in their hiring and retention practices.

Public employees thus all names and salaries are public property. So should this list. The public has a right to this info.

Things are about to get uncomfortable for California cops:

O.C. Sheriffâ€s Department must turn over past records on deputies, judge rules


Law enforcement unions in Los Angeles, Orange and other counties have gone to court in an effort to stop departments from releasing disciplinary and other records issued before a new disclosure law took effect this year. (Mel Melcon / Los Angeles Times)


A judge ruled Thursday that the Orange County Sheriffâ€s Department must publicly disclose records from shootings, use of force and some misconduct by its deputies regardless of when the incidents occurred.
Orange County Superior Court Judge Nathan Scott denied a preliminary injunction request by the union that represents rank-and-file deputies, which sought to block the department from disclosing records from incidents that took place before Jan. 1, when a new statewide transparency law went into effect.

More:

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m...story.html

Question for ya P1tch:  Do perps bear any responsibility for putting themselves into bad positions where cops then follow up with another bad decision in the heat of the moment?  

The implication I see in hipster/Marxist media is that minorities are having their civil rights constantly violated and/or are being hunted down and executed by cops for sport.  That is absolutely reckless and irresponsible.  

Translation:  the anti cop rants in pop culture are far too broad and are going to get good people killed, and not just cops either.   I mean who in their right mind, in this current environment, would sign up to be a cop?  You'd have to be super dedicated, that or just simply bat sh1t crazy.

(02-27-2019, 08:23 AM)Erhino Wrote: I do get a chuckle when the herd gets tricked into appearing to defend what should be indefensible. Change the list to illegals and the alt right gang here would be insensed. Since it is cops they seem not to care.  There is 0 reason this should be kept from the public.

On the plus side there is at least one example of lefties defending LEOs.

What? Pumper/con hypocrisy in the NH!?! Say it ain't so!

(03-02-2019, 04:29 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Question for ya P1tch:  Do perps bear any responsibility for putting themselves into bad positions where cops then follow up with another bad decision in the heat of the moment?  

The implication I see in hipster/Marxist media is that minorities are having their civil rights constantly violated and/or are being hunted down and executed by cops for sport.  That is absolutely reckless and irresponsible.  

Translation:  the anti cop rants in pop culture are far too broad and are going to get good people killed, and not just cops either.   I mean who in their right mind, in this current environment, would sign up to be a cop?  You'd have to be super dedicated, that or just simply bat sh1t crazy.

Obviously the left are unhinged loons, but that should not invalidate the need for accountability for corrupt cops. That said, the idiots aren't going to be convinced by bodycams that show cops doing exactly the right thing when confronted by idiots-they want the narrative w/out the accountability. It's all clicks and media whoring for them, not real accountability for cops that need it.

(03-02-2019, 06:25 PM)stxbuck Wrote:

(03-02-2019, 04:29 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Question for ya P1tch:  Do perps bear any responsibility for putting themselves into bad positions where cops then follow up with another bad decision in the heat of the moment?  

The implication I see in hipster/Marxist media is that minorities are having their civil rights constantly violated and/or are being hunted down and executed by cops for sport.  That is absolutely reckless and irresponsible.  

Translation:  the anti cop rants in pop culture are far too broad and are going to get good people killed, and not just cops either.   I mean who in their right mind, in this current environment, would sign up to be a cop?  You'd have to be super dedicated, that or just simply bat sh1t crazy.

Obviously the left are unhinged loons, but that should not invalidate the need for accountability for corrupt cops. That said, the idiots aren't going to be convinced by bodycams that show cops doing exactly the right thing when confronted by idiots-they want the narrative w/out the accountability. It's all clicks and media whoring for them, not real accountability for cops that need it.

I'm fine with the cop cams.  I think they often help validate the cop's actions.  That said, those videos typically don't make the news.  Only the ones with some hammer-head cop thinking he's Rambo.  In short, our media has mostly chosen sides.  They don't simply report the news in their "hard news" segments anymore.

(03-02-2019, 07:10 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: I'm fine with the cop cams.  I think they often help validate the cop's actions.  That said, those videos typically don't make the news.  Only the ones with some hammer-head cop thinking he's Rambo.  In short, our media has mostly chosen sides.  They don't simply report the news in their "hard news" segments anymore.

Cop cams are a necessity now. Too many of the phone videos don't include much of the event leading up to the cops actions or are just omitted.

(03-02-2019, 08:06 PM)sparky454 Wrote:

(03-02-2019, 07:10 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: I'm fine with the cop cams.  I think they often help validate the cop's actions.  That said, those videos typically don't make the news.  Only the ones with some hammer-head cop thinking he's Rambo.  In short, our media has mostly chosen sides.  They don't simply report the news in their "hard news" segments anymore.

Cop cams are a necessity now. Too many of the phone videos don't include much of the event leading up to the cops actions or are just omitted.

Yup.  And the media sure as hell isn't gonna feature cop cam video of a cop following procedure to the letter regarding an unruly perp.

(03-02-2019, 04:29 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Question for ya P1tch:  Do perps bear any responsibility for putting themselves into bad positions where cops then follow up with another bad decision in the heat of the moment?  

The implication I see in hipster/Marxist media is that minorities are having their civil rights constantly violated and/or are being hunted down and executed by cops for sport.  That is absolutely reckless and irresponsible.  

Translation:  the anti cop rants in pop culture are far too broad and are going to get good people killed, and not just cops either.   I mean who in their right mind, in this current environment, would sign up to be a cop?  You'd have to be super dedicated, that or just simply bat sh1t crazy.

Suspects bear responsibility - of course.  I don't think cops are hunting minorities.  I think blacks, because they tend to have more interactions with police because they are more likely to be poor, are extremely frustrated with the way they are treated by police and it's not just shootings.

Cops are well trained on how to handle stressful situations.  Will they make mistakes? Yes. And, like any other citizen, if they make I mistake the results in injury or death they should be punished like any other citizen would be.

(03-02-2019, 08:42 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:

(03-02-2019, 04:29 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Question for ya P1tch:  Do perps bear any responsibility for putting themselves into bad positions where cops then follow up with another bad decision in the heat of the moment?  

The implication I see in hipster/Marxist media is that minorities are having their civil rights constantly violated and/or are being hunted down and executed by cops for sport.  That is absolutely reckless and irresponsible.  

Translation:  the anti cop rants in pop culture are far too broad and are going to get good people killed, and not just cops either.   I mean who in their right mind, in this current environment, would sign up to be a cop?  You'd have to be super dedicated, that or just simply bat sh1t crazy.

Suspects bear responsibility - of course.  I don't think cops are hunting minorities.  I think blacks, because they tend to have more interactions with police because they are more likely to be poor, are extremely frustrated with the way they are treated by police and it's not just shootings.

Cops are well trained on how to handle stressful situations.  Will they make mistakes? Yes. And, like any other citizen, if they make I mistake the results in injury or death they should be punished like any other citizen would be.

Very reasonable position(s).  So why is it that you get in these 40 page monster thread arguments with others regarding cops?  I mean, I doubt anyone would have a problem with what you just said here.

(03-02-2019, 09:40 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote:

(03-02-2019, 08:42 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:

(03-02-2019, 04:29 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Question for ya P1tch:  Do perps bear any responsibility for putting themselves into bad positions where cops then follow up with another bad decision in the heat of the moment?  

The implication I see in hipster/Marxist media is that minorities are having their civil rights constantly violated and/or are being hunted down and executed by cops for sport.  That is absolutely reckless and irresponsible.  

Translation:  the anti cop rants in pop culture are far too broad and are going to get good people killed, and not just cops either.   I mean who in their right mind, in this current environment, would sign up to be a cop?  You'd have to be super dedicated, that or just simply bat sh1t crazy.

Suspects bear responsibility - of course.  I don't think cops are hunting minorities.  I think blacks, because they tend to have more interactions with police because they are more likely to be poor, are extremely frustrated with the way they are treated by police and it's not just shootings.

Cops are well trained on how to handle stressful situations.  Will they make mistakes? Yes. And, like any other citizen, if they make I mistake the results in injury or death they should be punished like any other citizen would be.

Very reasonable position(s).  So why is it that you get in these 40 page monster thread arguments with others regarding cops?  I mean, I doubt anyone would have a problem with what you just said here.

B/c Hightop and a few others take the bait.............

(03-02-2019, 09:40 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote:

(03-02-2019, 08:42 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:

(03-02-2019, 04:29 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Question for ya P1tch:  Do perps bear any responsibility for putting themselves into bad positions where cops then follow up with another bad decision in the heat of the moment?  

The implication I see in hipster/Marxist media is that minorities are having their civil rights constantly violated and/or are being hunted down and executed by cops for sport.  That is absolutely reckless and irresponsible.  

Translation:  the anti cop rants in pop culture are far too broad and are going to get good people killed, and not just cops either.   I mean who in their right mind, in this current environment, would sign up to be a cop?  You'd have to be super dedicated, that or just simply bat sh1t crazy.

Suspects bear responsibility - of course.  I don't think cops are hunting minorities.  I think blacks, because they tend to have more interactions with police because they are more likely to be poor, are extremely frustrated with the way they are treated by police and it's not just shootings.

Cops are well trained on how to handle stressful situations.  Will they make mistakes? Yes. And, like any other citizen, if they make I mistake the results in injury or death they should be punished like any other citizen would be.

Very reasonable position(s).  So why is it that you get in these 40 page monster thread arguments with others regarding cops?  I mean, I doubt anyone would have a problem with what you just said here.

Because a couple posters believe that cops are above the law.

(03-02-2019, 11:29 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:

(03-02-2019, 09:40 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: So why is it that you get in these 40 page monster thread arguments with others regarding cops?  I mean, I doubt anyone would have a problem with what you just said here.

Because a couple posters believe that cops are above the law.

  
LOL!!!!  Yeah, I guess it has nothing to do with your constant lying and being an azzhat, your constant display of your "omniscience" where you JUST KNOW everything a cop did & thought even without evidence, and your constant enthusiasm to declare a cop guilty without knowing all the facts, while you insist the "victims" should always be presumed innocent.

(03-02-2019, 11:51 PM)va1bucksfan1 Wrote:

(03-02-2019, 11:29 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:

(03-02-2019, 09:40 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: So why is it that you get in these 40 page monster thread arguments with others regarding cops?  I mean, I doubt anyone would have a problem with what you just said here.

Because a couple posters believe that cops are above the law.

  
LOL!!!!  Yeah, I guess it has nothing to do with your constant lying and being an azzhat, your constant display of your "omniscience" where you JUST KNOW everything a cop did & thought even without evidence, and your constant enthusiasm to declare a cop guilty without knowing all the facts, while you insist the "victims" should always be presumed innocent.

Commenting on what you see in a video isn't being omniscient.