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I would say the Devil has a lot more reason to be certain than most humans.
Many humans think there is a chance God of some sort exists, and there is a chance He does not. They probably don't swell on it much in general. If they had the same kind of evidence as does the Devil, they would be 100% certain. They don't.
Anyway, maybe the Devil is stupid.
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(06-10-2019, 10:22 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: why did the devil rebel in the first place?
Why do so many deny God even when His hand is clearly seen?
His? It's a male? Why does it have a gender or even a hand for that matter. It's "hand" is clearly nonexistent. The notion that it's obvious is absurd.
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(06-10-2019, 11:14 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: (06-10-2019, 10:22 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: why did the devil rebel in the first place?
Why do so many deny God even when His hand is clearly seen?
His? It's a male? Why does it have a gender or even a hand for that matter. It's "hand" is clearly nonexistent. The notion that it's obvious is absurd.
Does God have gender? Â No..... Does God have a physical hand? Â I have no clue. Â Is speech often illustrative to make a point? Â Of course. Â Are most people intelligent enough to make the connection? Â seemingly less so.
Thank you for proving my statement. Â Although I'd prefer to be wrong here.
(06-10-2019, 11:14 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: (06-10-2019, 10:22 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: why did the devil rebel in the first place?
Why do so many deny God even when His hand is clearly seen?
His? It's a male? Why does it have a gender or even a hand for that matter. It's "hand" is clearly nonexistent. The notion that it's obvious is absurd.
The Bible refers to God as male, but both man and woman are created in the image of God.
God's hand is nonexistent only to those who don't believe in Him.
EDIT: Sometimes figurative language is used to assign human characteristics to God.
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It's obviously very possible for a human to exist in this world and see no "hand of God" in anything. Maybe that is due to blindness, I don't know, whatever, but Lucifer doesn't have that excuse, presumably.
Those who look for real evidence of God usually are told it's about Faith, not evidence.
(06-10-2019, 12:32 PM)cincydawg Wrote: It's obviously very possible for a human to exist in this world and see no "hand of God" in anything. Â Maybe that is due to blindness, I don't know, whatever, but Lucifer doesn't have that excuse, presumably.
Those who look for real evidence of God usually are told it's about Faith, not evidence.
There is evidence, but unbelievers typically dismiss it as poppycock, rubbish, tomfoolery, etc.Â
The Bible, God's Word, says we are saved by our faith. Read Hebrews 11...
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen OR
Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see.
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(06-10-2019, 12:44 PM)BoyGenius Wrote: (06-10-2019, 12:32 PM)cincydawg Wrote: It's obviously very possible for a human to exist in this world and see no "hand of God" in anything. Â Maybe that is due to blindness, I don't know, whatever, but Lucifer doesn't have that excuse, presumably.
Those who look for real evidence of God usually are told it's about Faith, not evidence.
There is evidence, but unbelievers typically dismiss it as poppycock, rubbish, tomfoolery, etc.Â
The Bible, God's Word, says we are saved by our faith. Read Hebrews 11...
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen OR
Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see.
Uh, OK. I see a Unicorn.
(06-10-2019, 12:46 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: (06-10-2019, 12:44 PM)BoyGenius Wrote: (06-10-2019, 12:32 PM)cincydawg Wrote: It's obviously very possible for a human to exist in this world and see no "hand of God" in anything. Â Maybe that is due to blindness, I don't know, whatever, but Lucifer doesn't have that excuse, presumably.
Those who look for real evidence of God usually are told it's about Faith, not evidence.
There is evidence, but unbelievers typically dismiss it as poppycock, rubbish, tomfoolery, etc.Â
The Bible, God's Word, says we are saved by our faith. Read Hebrews 11...
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen OR
Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see.
Uh, OK. I see a Unicorn.
And the disrespectful, vitriolic mockery aimed at Christianity continues...
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I have been told there is evidence, but when I ask, I don't hear much convincing to me anyway. We exist, look at the universe, look at flowers! Whatever. It's not compelling, at all, to many people.
If there is tangible evidence for God, is there evidence for the Christian God or some other god?
If the evidence is really so compelling, I'd think most rational humans would be swayed by it. Many are not, obviously, many accept a god of another type, like Allah.
Lucifer on the other hand ....
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I'd highly recommending focusing on the clear evidence for your version of God if you proselytize at all.
My guess it would be a better approach than the usual.
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(06-10-2019, 12:50 PM)BoyGenius Wrote: (06-10-2019, 12:46 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: (06-10-2019, 12:44 PM)BoyGenius Wrote: (06-10-2019, 12:32 PM)cincydawg Wrote: It's obviously very possible for a human to exist in this world and see no "hand of God" in anything. Â Maybe that is due to blindness, I don't know, whatever, but Lucifer doesn't have that excuse, presumably.
Those who look for real evidence of God usually are told it's about Faith, not evidence.
There is evidence, but unbelievers typically dismiss it as poppycock, rubbish, tomfoolery, etc.Â
The Bible, God's Word, says we are saved by our faith. Read Hebrews 11...
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen OR
Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see.
Uh, OK. I see a Unicorn.
And the disrespectful, vitriolic mockery aimed at Christianity continues...
Are you saying you look at the world around you and you don't see a unicorn? I'm sure there's a book about unicorns or something you can consult.Â
Or maybe you've never seen Legend.
(06-10-2019, 12:54 PM)cincydawg Wrote: I have been told there is evidence, but when I ask, I don't hear much convincing to me anyway. Â We exist, look at the universe, look at flowers! Â Whatever. Â It's not compelling, at all, to many people.
If there is tangible evidence for God, is there evidence for the Christian God or some other god? Â
If the evidence is really so compelling, I'd think most rational humans would be swayed by it.  Many are not, obviously, many accept a god  of another type, like Allah.
Lucifer on the other hand ....
Spoken like a true disbeliever... slapping a loaded broad brush, dripping with paint, to describe all Christians as irrational humans. What do you want to say about Lucifer? Spit it out. Stop being a woman and waterboarding the ZNH with your passive aggressive tendencies, wordiness, and hoping we'll become mind-readers and figure it out.
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